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Mar 06 14:23:44 ---	Topic for #asia is Imc-Asia-Pacific Meeting *Sunday 6th March* [ 12.30pm New Delhi | 1.30 Rangoon| 2.00pm Jakarta/Bangkok | 3.00pm Singapore/Perth/Manila/Taipei | 4.00pm Seoul/Pyongyang/Tokyo | 4.30pm Adelaide/Darwin | 5.00pm Sydney/Melbourne | 7.00pm Aotearoa | 7.00am UTC/GMT ] in #Asia - http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcAsiaPacificMeeting2 
Mar 06 14:23:44 ---	Topic for #asia set by anivar at Sun Mar  6 12:58:25 2005
Mar 06 14:24:18 <wowi|wk>	hi jong 
Mar 06 14:24:49 <pabs>	hey jong, wowi
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Mar 06 14:33:14 <tonyo>	mainit na pagbati mula sa imc qc! [warm greetings from imc qc!]
Mar 06 14:33:23 <tonyo>	hi folks!
Mar 06 14:33:35 <pabs>	hi tonyo 
Mar 06 14:33:47 <tonyo>	hi pabs
Mar 06 14:34:09 <anivar>	hi tonyo
Mar 06 14:34:24 <tonyo>	elo too
Mar 06 14:34:43 <anivar>	greetings from imc-india
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Mar 06 14:36:00 <wowi>	hi tonyo 
Mar 06 14:36:03 <wowi>	hi klaikong 
Mar 06 14:36:15 <anivar>	hi klaikong
Mar 06 14:36:27 <klaikong>	Hi 
Mar 06 14:36:38 <tonyo>	elo
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Mar 06 14:37:25 <klaikong>	I justed apply new IMC form
Mar 06 14:37:46 <anivar>	klaikong: hows imc taiwan
Mar 06 14:37:54 <klaikong>	Thailand
Mar 06 14:38:17 <anivar>	sorry! i didn get u after asiasource :-)
Mar 06 14:38:42 <pabs>	klaikong: did you see this email? http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2005-March/0305-vg.html
Mar 06 14:38:47 <klaikong>	We are setting up website and organizing team.
Mar 06 14:38:53 <wowi>	klaikong, i saw :-)
Mar 06 14:38:53 <wowi>	good work
Mar 06 14:39:16 <klaikong>	Thank a lot 4 help.
Mar 06 14:40:09 <klaikong>	Yes I sew those email but I never known before about that.
Mar 06 14:40:59 <wowi>	oh i missed that
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Mar 06 14:41:08 <ferret>	Hi all
Mar 06 14:41:16 <klaikong>	Who are in old group that I should contact? 
Mar 06 14:42:38 <anivar>	hi ferret
Mar 06 14:42:52 <ferret>	Hi anivar
Mar 06 14:43:29 <wowi>	sorry.. i have been very busy these past few days
Mar 06 14:43:29 <wowi>	i'll respond.
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Mar 06 14:43:46 <ferret>	I was wondering y so many people were gathering in #oceania, with no meeting scheduled, but realised that it was here instead.. 8^)
Mar 06 14:44:52 <wowi>	grrr
Mar 06 14:44:52 <wowi>	sorry
Mar 06 14:44:52 <wowi>	klaikong, haev you emailed their list?
Mar 06 14:44:52 <wowi>	i gave you the email a while ago
Mar 06 14:44:52 <wowi>	it's imc-thailand lists.indymedia.org
Mar 06 14:45:04 <wowi>	you'll need to get admin for that list
Mar 06 14:45:07 <wowi>	so you can use it.
Mar 06 14:45:48 <wowi>	the best is to email libby and ask her for the main contact.. but i can check the archives now to find an email address.
Mar 06 14:48:28 <jong>	who's getting deported?
Mar 06 14:49:09 <wowi>	our friend
Mar 06 14:49:13 <wowi>	from singapore.
Mar 06 14:49:23 <klaikong>	wowi:I see, acctualy I e-mail and intro myself to that e-mail and have only one reply from Arha foundation.
Mar 06 14:49:24 <wowi>	he was a student at our university
Mar 06 14:49:32 <wowi>	klaikong, ok
Mar 06 14:49:42 <wowi>	there's a few things i'm going to do..
Mar 06 14:49:54 <wowi>	actually.. we can do one now
Mar 06 14:50:14 <wowi>	pabs, can you change the list passwords and give them to klaikong so he can take over the imc-thailand list
Mar 06 14:50:49 <wowi>	please :-)
Mar 06 14:51:06 <pabs>	email listwork about it, and then i'll do it
Mar 06 14:51:23 <klaikong>	wowi: Who are taking care Thailand -list now?
Mar 06 14:51:38 <wowi>	no-one
Mar 06 14:51:47 <wowi>	it was only used last august.
Mar 06 14:51:54 <pabs>	akha akha.org is the listed address
Mar 06 14:51:54 <wowi>	and by a non-member
Mar 06 14:52:05 <wowi>	pabs, aw
Mar 06 14:52:09 <wowi>	poo to you :-)
Mar 06 14:52:10 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 14:52:13 <wowi>	will do now.
Mar 06 14:52:29 <wowi>	klaikong, i'll email libby and cc it to you asking her to give us any information, contacts that can be usefull to you.. 
Mar 06 14:52:34 <pabs>	transparency
Mar 06 14:52:50 <klaikong>	Ok, Thanks.
Mar 06 14:54:09 <wowi>	pabs, i know buddy :-)
Mar 06 14:54:14 <wowi>	i'm just sneaky
Mar 06 14:54:54 <pabs>	:)
Mar 06 14:54:59 <pabs>	indeed
Mar 06 14:55:38 <wowi>	jong, will be leaving soon
Mar 06 14:55:55 <wowi>	do you have anything you want to say before you go?
Mar 06 14:56:07 <klaikong>	wowi; after apply new IMC form, what is the next process?
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Mar 06 14:58:24 <wowi>	klaikong, there are a few things
Mar 06 14:58:33 <wowi>	which will take a while..
Mar 06 14:58:44 <wowi>	first lets see if the old imc-thailand had a wiki
Mar 06 14:58:53 <wowi>	you'll need to collect your docs there..
Mar 06 14:59:20 <wowi>	i'll write you an email with all the necessary links you need to read.
Mar 06 15:00:15 <wowi>	basically.. the newimc form needs to be completed.. and your collective needs to agree on the indymedia PoU, and make your own version (or adopt the same one), make an editorial policy, and a membership criteria
Mar 06 15:00:45 <klaikong>	Wowi, now we have a meeting with our Thai indymedia's friends
Mar 06 15:00:55 <wowi>	great
Mar 06 15:00:57 <klaikong>	let's make a circle now!!
Mar 06 15:01:01 <wowi>	hehehe
Mar 06 15:01:01 *	pabs points everyone at the agenda http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcAsiaPacificMeeting2 
Mar 06 15:01:13 <wowi>	thanks pabs 
Mar 06 15:01:22 <wowi>	klaikong, there is #newimc
Mar 06 15:02:46 <wowi>	(for talking about new imc process)
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Mar 06 15:03:35 <wowi>	hi dhalbreath 
Mar 06 15:04:12 <anivar>	can we start
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Mar 06 15:04:27 <wowi>	hey and_ :-)
Mar 06 15:04:33 <and_>	heyas
Mar 06 15:04:35 <wowi>	anivar, yes
Mar 06 15:04:35 <anivar>	hey and_ :)
Mar 06 15:04:35 <and_>	sorry lates
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Mar 06 15:04:52 <wowi>	do we need a faccilitator?
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Mar 06 15:05:58 <klaikong>	wowi; should to do that, lets start
Mar 06 15:06:00 <anivar>	I think we need u as a fecilitator for this time :-)
Mar 06 15:06:36 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 15:07:00 <wowi>	lets do language bundles first..
Mar 06 15:07:45 <wowi>	do we need to introduce ourselves?
Mar 06 15:07:48 <anivar>	Language bundles means:
Mar 06 15:07:57 <anivar>	ok do it first
Mar 06 15:08:07 <anivar>	i am anivar from India imc
Mar 06 15:08:20 <wowi>	wowi: imc-perth/ imc-sydney /imc-oceania
Mar 06 15:08:44 <klaikong>	Klaikong and Song from Thailand
Mar 06 15:08:51 *	and_ from melbourne indymedia, oceania newsreal
Mar 06 15:09:47 <anivar>	what abt jong tonyo and pabs:)
Mar 06 15:09:56 *	pabs from perthimc, and global tech stuff
Mar 06 15:10:01 <tonyo>	i'm tonyo from imc qc
Mar 06 15:10:09 <tonyo>	qc = quezon city, philippines
Mar 06 15:10:40 <jong>	manila imc - manila city, Philippines
Mar 06 15:11:01 *	wowi also does global features/newimc
Mar 06 15:11:01 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 15:11:07 <wowi>	language bundles.
Mar 06 15:11:10 <klaikong>	could u plsease explain what is the expectation of the language bundles?
Mar 06 15:11:18 <wowi>	are what are on indymedia.org
Mar 06 15:11:37 <wowi>	when you click on the site, there are a number of language options to your left
Mar 06 15:11:48 <wowi>	that change the text of the site, to another language
Mar 06 15:12:44 <wowi>	i'll be emailing some text around that i'd appreciate you could all translate.. so that your language becomes an option.
Mar 06 15:13:48 <klaikong>	you means it's all the content of indymedia web?
Mar 06 15:13:55 <wowi>	no..
Mar 06 15:14:19 <wowi>	just the link text
Mar 06 15:14:22 <tonyo>	what is the question rgarding thelanguage bundles?
Mar 06 15:14:35 <wowi>	translations.indymedia.org is for the translations
Mar 06 15:14:49 <wowi>	tonyo, only that you pls translate it.. it's really an announcement.
Mar 06 15:15:10 <wowi>	ideally, you guys should be doing site admin on global too
Mar 06 15:15:17 <wowi>	if you have time
Mar 06 15:15:23 <wowi>	and if you want to.
Mar 06 15:15:37 <wowi>	which i suppose links into features.
Mar 06 15:16:38 <wowi>	i think there should be an aim to get more asian features on indymedia.org
Mar 06 15:16:50 <tonyo>	hmmm... i'll ask the qc crew. we actually have few people right now. but it would be really cool if the qc site would have a filipin/tagalog translation
Mar 06 15:16:54 <wowi>	jakarta has been putting up alot.
Mar 06 15:17:04 <wowi>	tonyo, yep
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Mar 06 15:18:02 <jong>	welcome jay.
Mar 06 15:18:08 <wowi>	hi jay :-)
Mar 06 15:18:13 <tonyo>	is there a need to prioritize the language translation asap?
Mar 06 15:18:14 <agni_amrat>	hi everyone 
Mar 06 15:18:25 <jong>	pakilala ka jay
Mar 06 15:18:25 <wowi>	tonyo, it's a small amount of text
Mar 06 15:18:35 <wowi>	no urgency, just that it happens
Mar 06 15:18:40 <anivar>	is there any string collection for translation 
Mar 06 15:18:53 <wowi>	can you pls explain that
Mar 06 15:18:58 <tonyo>	wowi: ok. we will talk about it.
Mar 06 15:19:16 <anivar>	the strings need to be translated (like features, newswire, etc
Mar 06 15:19:17 <wowi>	i'll email it to your lists soon.
Mar 06 15:19:38 <wowi>	like on translations.indymedia.org?
Mar 06 15:20:35 <anivar>	The collection of links needed to be translated as a single file 
Mar 06 15:21:10 <agni_amrat>	are the agendas on a random like priorities or should we have at least have some order
Mar 06 15:21:17 <anivar>	usual links like publish readmore etc
Mar 06 15:21:36 <wowi>	please.. add your stuff.. or define this meeting as you wish
Mar 06 15:22:33 <wowi>	yes
Mar 06 15:22:36 <wowi>	i think so anivar 
Mar 06 15:22:58 <wowi>	but it's not a file..
Mar 06 15:23:04 <anivar>	ok
Mar 06 15:23:14 <wowi>	i'll ask shayne to look and let you know..
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Mar 06 15:24:20 <wowi>	hi dhalbreath 
Mar 06 15:24:27 <wowi>	hi stacy 
Mar 06 15:24:43 <wowi>	could yyou pls give us some introduction
Mar 06 15:24:43 <stacy>	hi wowi
Mar 06 15:25:06 <dhalbreath>	hi everyone...dhalbreath is actually me (nancy) and nevin from seoul, korea.
Mar 06 15:25:11 <stacy>	I'm stacy with Sydney Indymedia, also subscribed to process, imc-legal, and features
Mar 06 15:25:14 <wowi>	hi nancy :-)
Mar 06 15:25:19 <jong>	anyong korea imc
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Mar 06 15:25:28 <and_>	hello seoul
Mar 06 15:25:37 *	and_ from melbourne indymedia
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Mar 06 15:25:58 *	shayne here
Mar 06 15:26:01 <wowi>	dhalbreath, have you got a sponsor for new imc?
Mar 06 15:26:08 <jong>	hello nevin and nancy. where's zo?
Mar 06 15:26:11 <dhalbreath>	i think annie, also from seoul should be joining us soon. melbourne, wots yer name? i may have met you a coupla years ago...
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Mar 06 15:26:26 <wowi>	hi shayne could you pls use your gloabl admin and tell anivar more about language bundles.. i am untech
Mar 06 15:26:34 <and_>	andrew
Mar 06 15:26:40 <and_>	where?
Mar 06 15:26:43 <dhalbreath>	dope couldn't make it...at a bloodsisters event.
Mar 06 15:27:00 <and_>	nope, wasn't there
Mar 06 15:27:05 <dhalbreath>	hi andy! remember me? i stayed on clarke st with eleven and fiona!
Mar 06 15:27:05 <and_>	might have been alex
Mar 06 15:27:08 <anivar>	shyne is there any strings to be translated list
Mar 06 15:27:21 <and_>	umm...
Mar 06 15:27:21 <and_>	i'm thinking
Mar 06 15:27:25 <and_>	i know fiona etc.
Mar 06 15:27:51 <dhalbreath>	yeah, nancy from canada. stayed with them for 6 months...
Mar 06 15:28:16 <wowi>	ok.. shall we get back to the meeting?
Mar 06 15:28:20 <shayne>	wowi: I dont actually know anything about language bundles sorry wowi :(
Mar 06 15:28:29 <wowi>	but can you see them?
Mar 06 15:28:54 <anivar>	wowi: leave it. i will check it out and mail to list
Mar 06 15:29:02 <and_>	ahh
Mar 06 15:29:05 <and_>	ok
Mar 06 15:29:05 <and_>	i know
Mar 06 15:29:05 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 15:29:08 <wowi>	thanks anivar 
Mar 06 15:29:19 <and_>	we almost were in affinity group together
Mar 06 15:29:27 <and_>	cool
Mar 06 15:29:30 <and_>	Hi
Mar 06 15:29:35 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 15:29:41 *	shayne just doesnt even know what a language bundle is even.
Mar 06 15:29:49 <shayne>	you probably know more about em than me.
Mar 06 15:29:52 <dhalbreath>	yeah. sto sydney. orangeblok.
Mar 06 15:29:58 <wowi>	next item? 
Mar 06 15:30:07 <tonyo>	yes next item pls
Mar 06 15:30:10 <tonyo>	:)
Mar 06 15:30:23 <wowi>	shall we continue talking about features
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Mar 06 15:30:32 <wowi>	as i said before, i do work with global features
Mar 06 15:30:35 <anivar>	k
Mar 06 15:30:35 <wowi>	hi axxs 
Mar 06 15:30:38 <axxs>	gudday
Mar 06 15:30:38 <and_>	ok, yeah sorry, back to meet
Mar 06 15:30:48 <axxs>	hiya wowi 
Mar 06 15:30:58 <wowi>	and it would be fantastic to see more asian features
Mar 06 15:31:18 <wowi>	axxs, and klaikong perhaps you should talk in query about the server ;-)
Mar 06 15:31:30 <jong>	to the facilitator: Can we start now to discuss the Agendas written on asia-pacific wiki page?
Mar 06 15:31:48 <wowi>	klaikong, is from thailand indymedia axxs 
Mar 06 15:31:51 <dhalbreath>	me and nevin are new to this so we're just gonna listen for awhile...
Mar 06 15:31:53 <wowi>	axxs, itro?
Mar 06 15:31:56 <tonyo>	re features: maybe each IMC could resolve to produce one feat for global each onth
Mar 06 15:31:58 <wowi>	*intro
Mar 06 15:32:06 <wowi>	jong, we have ;-)
Mar 06 15:32:15 <wowi>	ok dhalbreath 
Mar 06 15:32:25 <wowi>	tonyo, good idea
Mar 06 15:32:25 <axxs>	heya , I have a number of machines on which indymedias and other community based stuff is hosted ...
Mar 06 15:32:29 <wowi>	that may be hard though..
Mar 06 15:32:48 <wowi>	and easier way could be that each collective resolves to have someone join the www-features working group
Mar 06 15:33:29 <tonyo>	hmm
Mar 06 15:34:19 <anivar>	ok
Mar 06 15:34:52 <axxs>	klaikong, I am in an anarchist workers collective, netaxxs.com.au .. and we provide hosting for community based and autonomous groups, our community server axxs.org is in transit in the moment, we are getting another machine up with control panel interfaces etc for tasks .. are you looking for hosting for a project?
Mar 06 15:34:55 <wowi>	and aim for a feature a month
Mar 06 15:35:05 <wowi>	does everyone know what the www-features working group is?
Mar 06 15:35:11 <axxs>	oops that was meant to be PM
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Mar 06 15:35:45 <klaikong>	actually we have server space in Thailand already
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Mar 06 15:36:02 <Haris>	hello guys
Mar 06 15:36:09 <Haris>	sorry im late :p
Mar 06 15:36:14 <klaikong>	but still not register the domain
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Mar 06 15:37:14 <axxs>	np
Mar 06 15:37:21 <anivar>	axxs: now an imc kerala collective is forming up in kerala(india)
Mar 06 15:37:29 <anivar>	they need hosting space
Mar 06 15:37:40 <anivar>	but now on new imc process
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Mar 06 15:38:07 <agni_amrat>	gracias
Mar 06 15:38:48 <axxs>	they can contact me at dave netaxxs.com.au , mentioning their codebase they are using, and I will help them out
Mar 06 15:39:13 <anivar>	ok. w will tell them.
Mar 06 15:39:16 <axxs>	not a problem, I don't mind helping out while they go through the new IMC process
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Mar 06 15:40:45 <anivar>	ok
Mar 06 15:40:54 <anivar>	what happened to wowi
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Mar 06 15:45:06 <wowi>	sorry
Mar 06 15:45:08 <wowi>	disconnected.
Mar 06 15:45:22 <klaikong>	welcome wowi!
Mar 06 15:45:32 <Haris>	hi wowi
Mar 06 15:45:38 <wowi>	hi Haris :-)
Mar 06 15:45:51 <wowi>	my net's really flaky atm
Mar 06 15:45:53 <wowi>	i'm using a poxy server
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Mar 06 15:46:13 <Haris>	hehehe
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Mar 06 15:47:55 <anivar>	can we continue
Mar 06 15:47:57 <dhalbreath>	not to interrupt, but...we are really new to this, and this techical stuff is a little confusing. we are just starting a korea imc up...
Mar 06 15:48:09 <agni_amrat>	is the language bundle topic done?
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Mar 06 15:48:53 <wowi>	ok.. what did i miss
Mar 06 15:48:53 <wowi>	we were talking global features..
Mar 06 15:49:07 <anivar>	ok
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Mar 06 15:51:25 <anivar>	connection problem continues
Mar 06 15:51:28 <anivar>	:(
Mar 06 15:52:01 <Haris>	yeah...poor wowi :(
Mar 06 15:52:44 <anivar>	i think we can share the common problems we face and areas we can help together now
Mar 06 15:55:33 <anivar>	AFAIK most of asian imc´s are facing technical problems
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Mar 06 15:56:42 <anivar>	hi shinayo_imaginary: plz give an intro
Mar 06 15:57:03 <shinayo_imaginary>	hi all...
Mar 06 15:57:24 <Haris>	shinayo was from imc jakarta
Mar 06 15:57:42 <shinayo_imaginary>	thanks...
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Mar 06 16:00:45 <anivar>	welcome wowi
Mar 06 16:01:06 <anivar>	nothing happened after u left :)
Mar 06 16:01:37 <shinayo_imaginary>	uemh..
Mar 06 16:01:49 <shinayo_imaginary>	may i intro myself?
Mar 06 16:01:52 <wowi>	hello again.. :-)
Mar 06 16:01:54 <klaikong>	global feature...wowi
Mar 06 16:01:58 <wowi>	i dont know how long for tho.
Mar 06 16:02:02 <wowi>	ah yes
Mar 06 16:02:07 <wowi>	does everyone know what it is?
Mar 06 16:02:11 <pabs>	shinayo_imaginary: please do
Mar 06 16:02:20 <shinayo_imaginary>	uemh...
Mar 06 16:02:23 <wowi>	there is a working group that anyone can join
Mar 06 16:02:37 <wowi>	and they can propose features for the front page of indymedia.org
Mar 06 16:02:43 <dhalbreath>	can you give us a quick lowdown on what the global feature is?
Mar 06 16:02:52 <wowi>	sure
Mar 06 16:02:58 <shinayo_imaginary>	yeah...im from jakarta..friend of haris...and im with imc tech in jakarta indymedia...
Mar 06 16:03:18 <wowi>	it's a fairly dense news story, often incorporating more than one story from various indymedia's
Mar 06 16:03:34 <wowi>	this is dont through linking, as you write the feature with some html
Mar 06 16:04:05 <shinayo_imaginary>	uemh...one thing i forgot...hehe...my name is adit..
Mar 06 16:04:09 <wowi>	it's a great way to bring attention to the news on your sites.. and a good way to get more interest from expats
Mar 06 16:04:13 <wowi>	for translations.
Mar 06 16:04:25 <wowi>	i'll post some link here, explainging
Mar 06 16:04:27 <wowi>	hang on.
Mar 06 16:05:04 <wowi>	http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PublishingFeatures
Mar 06 16:05:12 <wowi>	this has some good stuff, on what is a good features
Mar 06 16:05:28 <wowi>	if you are not on the list, you can still propose a feature
Mar 06 16:05:45 <wowi>	there is a format to follow
Mar 06 16:06:04 <wowi>	http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/How-toProposeAndPostAFeature
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Mar 06 16:06:47 <walden>	hi
Mar 06 16:06:49 <wowi>	hi walden 
Mar 06 16:06:51 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 16:06:54 <walden>	dang, it was now?
Mar 06 16:06:55 <wowi>	brief intro
Mar 06 16:06:59 <walden>	well hello everyone
Mar 06 16:07:01 <wowi>	still going
Mar 06 16:07:02 <walden>	uhm
Mar 06 16:07:05 <walden>	okay
Mar 06 16:07:13 <wowi>	brief intro pls
Mar 06 16:07:23 <wowi>	;-)
Mar 06 16:07:31 <walden>	i'm from the san francisco bay area and interested in solidarity with the imc asia pac groups
Mar 06 16:07:59 <walden>	i don't currently have heavy involvement with the local imc though i post sometimes
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Mar 06 16:08:02 <dhalbreath>	thanks, we know what it is now :)
Mar 06 16:08:23 <walden>	but i work on a number of other media projects including the local pacifica radio station - kpfa
Mar 06 16:08:28 <wowi>	http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/www-features
Mar 06 16:08:36 <wowi>	to join the features working group
Mar 06 16:08:47 <wowi>	dhalbreath, excellent
Mar 06 16:09:07 <walden>	i guess that's my intro unless ppl want to know more
Mar 06 16:09:16 <wowi>	you guys might want to put off joining til after your imc is going strong ;-)
Mar 06 16:10:01 <and_>	are we onto next topic then?
Mar 06 16:10:03 <wowi>	anyone have anything to add to features discussion?
Mar 06 16:10:04 <walden>	also if there's any important going on in asia that you all want to the world to know about, i'd be very interested in doing phone interviews, or if you happen to be in the bay area, even better
Mar 06 16:10:16 <and_>	fireman want to intro your self?
Mar 06 16:10:22 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 16:10:22 <fierman>	and_:sure
Mar 06 16:10:32 <fierman>	i am from indy netherlands
Mar 06 16:10:38 <and_>	oops, fierman, not fireman
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Mar 06 16:11:07 <fierman>	i am not on behalf of the rest olf the .nl crew here, actually there wasnt any discussion 
Mar 06 16:11:14 <wowi>	thanks for coming :-)
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Mar 06 16:11:16 <fierman>	so i guess its more or less personal interest
Mar 06 16:11:16 <agni_amrat>	thank madam
Mar 06 16:11:35 <and_>	ok
Mar 06 16:11:44 <and_>	wowi: where are we up to in agenda?
Mar 06 16:12:00 <wowi>	do we want to talk about the translation project
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Mar 06 16:12:21 <h0mee>	hey hey
Mar 06 16:12:48 <wowi>	i think it's intergral to our project.. but i dont know if there is much to say
Mar 06 16:12:48 <wowi>	except.. we need more asian language translations to go with the features..
Mar 06 16:12:54 <walden>	h0mee's a friend of mine in the bay area
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Mar 06 16:13:20 <wowi>	perhaps, this can begin by collectives proposing their features in their native language as well as english
Mar 06 16:13:46 <h0mee>	walden: care to recap me? :)
Mar 06 16:13:57 <wowi>	walden, pls doit off chan
Mar 06 16:14:20 <wowi>	amongst us, who can do translations work?
Mar 06 16:14:38 <h0mee>	which langs?
Mar 06 16:15:31 <wowi>	any, particularly asian one.
Mar 06 16:15:36 <wowi>	any, particularly asian ones..
Mar 06 16:15:57 <walden>	cantonese?
Mar 06 16:16:08 <h0mee>	I could do translation for hindhi, possibly urdu... a bit of portugese for indonesian or goa based projects
Mar 06 16:16:11 <wowi>	that would be great ;-)
Mar 06 16:16:17 <wowi>	translations.indymedia.org
Mar 06 16:16:19 <walden>	er chinese i guess if it's written
Mar 06 16:16:29 <wowi>	fantastic
Mar 06 16:16:32 <dhalbreath>	as for Korea a lot of the activist here do a lot of translation work from English into Korean... the Korean IMC will hopefully serve as a way to get info on Korea out in English
Mar 06 16:16:34 <pabs>	wowi: and www.indymedia.org
Mar 06 16:16:36 <anivar>	hommee: fantastic
Mar 06 16:16:36 <walden>	i can find folks who would want to help
Mar 06 16:17:11 <walden>	wowi: is the chat log going to be public / online?
Mar 06 16:17:14 <wowi>	dhalbreath, put it in both languages.. there are alot of ex patriat asians who cant speak english fluently and would appreciate it
Mar 06 16:17:23 <pabs>	walden: yep
Mar 06 16:17:26 <wowi>	walden, excellent :-))
Mar 06 16:17:26 <pabs>	see the topic
Mar 06 16:18:13 <dhalbreath>	yeah... our situation is kinda unique as there are a lot of native korean language alternitive media sites already...
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Mar 06 16:18:37 <anivar>	i can do malayalam Translation and can mobilise some people for hindi translation
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Mar 06 16:18:58 <wowi>	great :-)
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Mar 06 16:19:19 <wowi>	so i guess the first step is to get some features on global that are about the region
Mar 06 16:19:22 <Haris>	i'll do bahasa :p
Mar 06 16:19:23 <dhalbreath>	that said I can do translations from Korean into English and maybe be able to fins people to commit to doing the other way around
Mar 06 16:19:28 <wowi>	and then be sure that they are translated ;-)
Mar 06 16:19:42 *	wowi will learn tagalog and french and help.. sooooon
Mar 06 16:19:44 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 16:20:02 <walden>	neat
Mar 06 16:20:04 <wowi>	dhalbreath, great :-)
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Mar 06 16:20:29 <Haris>	oh my....again...:(
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Mar 06 16:20:49 <shinayo_imaginary>	uemh..
Mar 06 16:20:54 <walden>	i may be able to ask friends about helping w/ tagalog too...
Mar 06 16:20:59 <and_>	any more? or how are people planning on coordinating this?
Mar 06 16:21:07 <and_>	through translations.indy?
Mar 06 16:21:18 <aubrey>	hi, aubrey here from imc-qc (philippines)
Mar 06 16:21:29 <and_>	how will it be manifested in a practical sense i guess i am asking
Mar 06 16:21:31 <wowi>	hello again :-)
Mar 06 16:21:46 <shinayo_imaginary>	mabuhay...:)
Mar 06 16:21:58 <dhalbreath>	we will work on developing a working group that can commit to doing translations but we are still in the basic stages of organising atm...how many translations per week you reckon?
Mar 06 16:22:01 <fierman>	if anyone's cpmcerned, i keep logs as well.. so msg me if you need em
Mar 06 16:22:17 <fierman>	 /end
Mar 06 16:22:35 <aubrey>	maybe we can choose features/topics to translate in Filipino
Mar 06 16:22:41 <and_>	i think for the moment it's best to use it for practical applications such as getting features written in asia languags onto the indymedia.org site and vice versa
Mar 06 16:22:44 <wowi>	ok, anymore to be said on translations?
Mar 06 16:22:52 <aubrey>	but if there are other volunteers, so much the better
Mar 06 16:23:01 <wowi>	for those of you who have the time, and are really interested in this project http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translation
Mar 06 16:23:10 <wowi>	there is ofcourse a list ;-)
Mar 06 16:23:13 <aubrey>	we can help in editing
Mar 06 16:23:42 <wowi>	but you can easily be involved through translations.indymedia.org.. no coordination necessary
Mar 06 16:23:46 <wowi>	just add a translation ;-)
Mar 06 16:23:55 <wowi>	or upload an article for translating
Mar 06 16:24:20 <wowi>	dhalbreath, yes, concentrate on newimc ;-)
Mar 06 16:24:25 <wowi>	do you have a sponsor? 
Mar 06 16:24:41 <and_>	if we get onto the list i have a proposal for a practical application for translations
Mar 06 16:24:42 <wowi>	i am in teh newimc working group.. pls read you query message
Mar 06 16:25:03 <and_>	i mean when we get onto talking about the list, though this maybe be separate
Mar 06 16:25:18 <wowi>	well.. anymore to add on translations?
Mar 06 16:25:44 <dhalbreath>	well, maybe...Jong?
Mar 06 16:26:07 <wowi>	i think jong is at work now :(
Mar 06 16:26:15 <wowi>	we'll tell us more onlist
Mar 06 16:26:22 *	pabs wonders why there are no ppl from japan imc here
Mar 06 16:26:46 <aubrey>	alex said there has been no response from japan imc
Mar 06 16:26:51 <wowi>	oh
Mar 06 16:26:51 <wowi>	bleh
Mar 06 16:26:52 <wowi>	yeh.. your sponsor
Mar 06 16:26:55 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 16:26:55 <wowi>	yes he is.. i'll help him out ;-)
Mar 06 16:26:58 <aubrey>	yah
Mar 06 16:27:01 <wowi>	pabs, indeed
Mar 06 16:27:03 <and_>	is there any contact between korea and japan imc?
Mar 06 16:27:11 <dhalbreath>	Jong said he might help us as the sponsor 
Mar 06 16:27:17 <wowi>	yes he is
Mar 06 16:28:05 <and_>	or anyone here from taiwan imc?
Mar 06 16:28:10 <Haris>	oo yeah bout that......wowi....i've been finish the membership criteria, just link it to our wiki page
Mar 06 16:28:24 <and_>	have been done report backs from their indymedias?
Mar 06 16:28:25 <wowi>	he was asking me for help.. 
Mar 06 16:28:25 <wowi>	he's doing a good job :-)
Mar 06 16:28:25 <wowi>	and_, jong is with japan imc
Mar 06 16:28:27 <wowi>	ok.. lets talk about the list :-)
Mar 06 16:28:27 *	wowi pts to topic
Mar 06 16:28:31 <wowi>	Haris, cool!
Mar 06 16:28:32 <wowi>	i'll propose tonight
Mar 06 16:28:58 <wowi>	:-))
Mar 06 16:29:10 <Haris>	:-)
Mar 06 16:29:29 <and_>	sorry, again have people done reports as to where there indymedias are at/what they need help with etc. IS that worth doing?
Mar 06 16:29:33 <wowi>	YAY! jakarta imc is almost official
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Mar 06 16:30:07 <wowi>	and_, did you want to talk about your list idea first?
Mar 06 16:30:14 <and_>	sure
Mar 06 16:30:37 <and_>	I was just thinking in terms of ongoing collaboration to produce a weekly email announcemnet list of features fom the asia-pacific
Mar 06 16:30:49 <and_>	we were going to do this with oceania but it never happened
Mar 06 16:30:56 <wowi>	explain that
Mar 06 16:30:57 <dhalbreath>	good luck on the proposal...i hope she says yes
Mar 06 16:30:58 <and_>	but this could be a practical way to work together
Mar 06 16:31:02 <wowi>	please :-)
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Mar 06 16:31:14 <and_>	and get a fwe thousand people on a list
Mar 06 16:31:20 <and_>	and build the network
Mar 06 16:31:22 <wowi>	ouch
Mar 06 16:31:30 <and_>	we should be thinking big
Mar 06 16:31:30 <Haris>	brb
Mar 06 16:31:32 <wowi>	ah
Mar 06 16:31:36 <wowi>	an announce list i see
Mar 06 16:31:38 <wowi>	good idea
Mar 06 16:31:46 <walden>	neat
Mar 06 16:32:00 <and_>	an annouce list that autonomatically collates all the features from the rss feeds of the asia-pacific sites
Mar 06 16:32:07 <and_>	and sends them out each week
Mar 06 16:32:13 <and_>	or maybe on a different time frame
Mar 06 16:32:15 <and_>	just an odea
Mar 06 16:32:16 <and_>	idea
Mar 06 16:32:20 <walden>	i am personally very curious what is happening in the asia pacific region, particularly HK and china.  especially from a non-mainstream source.
Mar 06 16:32:32 <wowi>	hrm
Mar 06 16:32:44 <wowi>	perhaps when things are more developed?
Mar 06 16:32:49 <walden>	okay
Mar 06 16:32:50 <wowi>	and do you think it should be done by rss
Mar 06 16:32:57 <wowi>	or should imkc submit them?
Mar 06 16:33:09 <wowi>	imc's
Mar 06 16:33:13 <and_>	i think if each imc had to submit them it would be impossible
Mar 06 16:33:25 <wowi>	i think it would be better to focus on getting features onto global
Mar 06 16:33:25 <and_>	but it also really depnds if there is a tech who wants to do it
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Mar 06 16:33:38 <and_>	yeah but people are already producing these features
Mar 06 16:33:51 <dhalbreath>	what's rss?
Mar 06 16:33:53 <wowi>	alot of the features on asian indys are in asian langauges and are local news.. 
Mar 06 16:34:18 <and_>	ok, so that is a good reason to translate them
Mar 06 16:34:20 <wowi>	but global features is just a reproduction of existing features on your site..
Mar 06 16:34:29 <walden>	if there was a weekly email report of features from asia pac imcs, i could probably find some space to broadcast it on the asia pacific issues show here.
Mar 06 16:34:41 <wowi>	and on a site where there is already a gloabl audience
Mar 06 16:34:55 <wowi>	it's an easy project to accomplish too..
Mar 06 16:34:58 <wowi>	for now ;-)
Mar 06 16:35:17 <wowi>	translating a feature every week would be alot of work
Mar 06 16:35:18 <wowi>	and..
Mar 06 16:35:22 <wowi>	if it's rss
Mar 06 16:35:30 <and_>	perhaps it is easier to just produce an aggregation of the features like oceania that people can use
Mar 06 16:35:33 <wowi>	that would mean they need to be translated on each asian indy site
Mar 06 16:35:48 <wowi>	?
Mar 06 16:36:01 <wowi>	tell us more..
Mar 06 16:36:39 <and_>	sorry dhalbreath: rss is "really simple syndication" and it is a way that content can be districuted
Mar 06 16:36:45 <and_>	like the way the oceania site works
Mar 06 16:36:57 <wowi>	its an automatic syndication dhalbreath 
Mar 06 16:37:17 <wowi>	it takes the story from one site and feeds it straight to another
Mar 06 16:37:31 <wowi>	and_, why not an asia-pacific site then?
Mar 06 16:37:34 <wowi>	rather than a lsit
Mar 06 16:37:36 <aubrey>	oceania page is good
Mar 06 16:37:39 <and_>	that is a much bigger project
Mar 06 16:37:47 <and_>	an asia pacific site
Mar 06 16:37:48 <wowi>	people prefer to visit a site than a list
Mar 06 16:37:49 <aubrey>	oh
Mar 06 16:37:56 <wowi>	but it could be a good anchor for hte project as a whole
Mar 06 16:38:08 <and_>	i think it is a good idea but is lots and lots of work
Mar 06 16:38:21 <aubrey>	right
Mar 06 16:38:30 <wowi>	and we could have a how to get involved in solidarity link and a donate button..
Mar 06 16:38:34 <and_>	perhaps a first step would be to creat and aggregated rss of all the features from asia-pacific in their original lanaguages
Mar 06 16:38:40 <wowi>	and_, i agree.. but something to aim too ;-)
Mar 06 16:39:01 <and_>	does that makes sense to people?
Mar 06 16:39:04 <wowi>	that could be done easily on a basic site dont you think?
Mar 06 16:39:19 <and_>	well i need techs to speak up?
Mar 06 16:39:26 <wowi>	and_, where is the rss feeding to.
Mar 06 16:39:27 <and_>	any tech interested in doing that?
Mar 06 16:39:29 <anivar>	in indian context RSS is a kind of fasist organisation :( 
Mar 06 16:39:36 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 16:39:40 <wowi>	hehe
Mar 06 16:39:48 <wowi>	anivar, how so?
Mar 06 16:39:49 <and_>	it can feed to any site that wants to use the rss
Mar 06 16:40:15 <wowi>	i like the idea of people selecting news they want to share with the world.. news that will make sense to them.
Mar 06 16:40:16 <anivar>	hindutwa orhganisation named Rastriya swayam sevak sangh
Mar 06 16:40:25 <wowi>	aaaah
Mar 06 16:40:27 <wowi>	i see
Mar 06 16:40:28 <h0mee>	lol
Mar 06 16:40:28 <wowi>	:-)
Mar 06 16:40:30 <wowi>	lol
Mar 06 16:40:37 <anivar>	and we like 2 use atom syndycation bcoz of that:(
Mar 06 16:40:45 <h0mee>	haha
Mar 06 16:41:26 <and_>	ah, ok, well it doesn't have to be rss, the basic idea thouhg is to create a feed that various websites can pick up and put on their site so their users can see all the features from around the asia-pacific region
Mar 06 16:41:31 <wowi>	and_, where is the rss feeding to?
Mar 06 16:41:36 <wowi>	is this still a list?
Mar 06 16:41:36 <aubrey>	are features screened or automatically included in the asia-pacific site. or is there such an automatic function?
Mar 06 16:42:01 <wowi>	there is aubrey 
Mar 06 16:42:06 <and_>	well it would feed onto teh melbourne site, we would make a space so people can see a list of asia-pac features
Mar 06 16:42:08 <wowi>	oceania.indymedia.org use it
Mar 06 16:42:11 <and_>	it could have it's own site
Mar 06 16:42:16 <and_>	yes oceania could use it
Mar 06 16:42:29 <wowi>	and_, i'm talking about rss for the site
Mar 06 16:42:52 <and_>	aubrey, not screened, the screening would happen by individual imcs when they decide to upload their features
Mar 06 16:42:55 <and_>	it's autonomatic
Mar 06 16:43:04 <aubrey>	ok
Mar 06 16:43:09 <wowi>	ok.. shall we make an asia-pacific site a long term project? a sort of anchor.. for our project?
Mar 06 16:43:21 <wowi>	i can start asking for tech interest now..
Mar 06 16:43:24 <aubrey>	that's good, no extra load
Mar 06 16:43:34 <wowi>	i know alster was really interested in helping
Mar 06 16:43:59 <and_>	yeah, you don't have to have an editorial collective aubrey, it remains decentralised and published automtically
Mar 06 16:44:09 <wowi>	nice
Mar 06 16:44:13 <and_>	but it all depends on whether there are tech people to do it
Mar 06 16:44:16 <wowi>	i'd love to see a site.. like oceania
Mar 06 16:44:21 <and_>	are any tech people puttingup there hands?
Mar 06 16:44:26 <aubrey>	me too =)
Mar 06 16:44:44 <wowi>	and_, shall we work on ana email together and start asking outside the meeting
Mar 06 16:45:10 <and_>	wouldn't mind hearing more feedback from people here
Mar 06 16:45:25 <and_>	do people understand? does it makes sense? bad idea?
Mar 06 16:45:40 <wowi>	there are american/european techs that have told me they're interested in supporting the project
Mar 06 16:45:52 <wowi>	yes.. do we want this..
Mar 06 16:46:28 <fierman>	sounds like a plan to me as well
Mar 06 16:46:40 <and_>	if say for example you go to http://melbourne.indymedia.org/?display=o on the right hand side you don't see the newswire, you see a list of features from oceania, we could produce a list like that for asia-pacific that sites coule pick up and use
Mar 06 16:46:41 <wowi>	shall we focus on having a site?
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Mar 06 16:47:01 <Haris>	great idea
Mar 06 16:47:07 <fierman>	make sure it doesnt invoile too much extra work though, and beware of becoming another 'project' inbetween projexts
Mar 06 16:47:09 <h0mee>	I'm a tech but I have my hands full now... I can provide secondary support but not ownership of anything
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Mar 06 16:47:30 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 16:47:35 <wowi>	sounds good h0mee 
Mar 06 16:47:36 <and_>	yeah wowi, that's why i am wondering just to start with that we produce just an aggregated feed
Mar 06 16:47:39 <fierman>	does the software suport such a thing ?
Mar 06 16:47:41 <wowi>	share the load
Mar 06 16:47:51 <wowi>	ok.. so
Mar 06 16:48:04 <wowi>	aim for an aggregated feed now.. and a site int he longterm?
Mar 06 16:48:14 <and_>	yeah, that;s what i reckon
Mar 06 16:48:25 <and_>	now need to find who is going to do it.....
Mar 06 16:48:27 <wowi>	it would be good to have a base for solidarity stuff/wiki/donation of $$ equip
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Mar 06 16:48:33 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 16:48:39 <wowi>	we can start asking around
Mar 06 16:49:20 <wowi>	any objections to me doing that?
Mar 06 16:49:20 <wowi>	does anyone want to help?
Mar 06 16:49:20 <wowi>	(someone who can talk tech :-)
Mar 06 16:49:38 <and_>	you could just have a really simple page with info about the project and the newsfeed on it
Mar 06 16:49:42 <dhalbreath>	hey all of you other start up imcs listening in...do you understand what's being talked about? we don't. (korea)
Mar 06 16:49:49 <and_>	ok
Mar 06 16:49:51 <and_>	sorry
Mar 06 16:49:54 <and_>	thanks for saying so
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Mar 06 16:50:11 <wowi>	and_, yes.. that's what i suggested earlier.. would be easeir to access than a list.. and can be developed over tiem
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Mar 06 16:50:25 <dhalbreath>	no problem. and by the way, rss is also fascist in canada :)
Mar 06 16:50:34 <wowi>	dhalbreath, what would you like to kow
Mar 06 16:50:37 <wowi>	dhalbreath, what would you like to know
Mar 06 16:50:45 <and_>	we are talking about making a space where all the features (the bit in the centre column) is collected
Mar 06 16:50:59 <and_>	from asia pacific indymedias
Mar 06 16:51:00 <wowi>	dhalbreath, hahah
Mar 06 16:51:05 <and_>	a bit lie the oceanai site
Mar 06 16:51:10 <dhalbreath>	so the RSS is what runs the newswire?
Mar 06 16:51:12 <and_>	but for themoment much simpler
Mar 06 16:51:14 <wowi>	ok.. so we are talking a site now
Mar 06 16:51:18 <wowi>	good :-)
Mar 06 16:51:38 <and_>	no, the rss is was sends out information from your site than another site can pick up
Mar 06 16:51:46 <and_>	and include in their site
Mar 06 16:51:47 <anivar>	Which CMS is using 4 oceania site
Mar 06 16:51:51 <wowi>	you want to rss on local sites
Mar 06 16:51:53 <wowi>	why?
Mar 06 16:51:57 <and_>	have you seen the oceania site dhalbreath?
Mar 06 16:52:05 <dhalbreath>	yeah
Mar 06 16:52:18 *	wowi likes dhal too :-}
Mar 06 16:52:28 <and_>	ok, so that picks up the sydnication from all the different indymedias in the region and collates them together
Mar 06 16:52:36 <and_>	it's all automated
Mar 06 16:53:00 <and_>	so we are talking about doing that but for all the asia-pacific indymedias
Mar 06 16:53:14 <and_>	but simpler to start
Mar 06 16:53:31 <wowi>	ok.. so we're asking for help for the beginnings of a site? for now a basic page with list info/link, a wiki link, and rss feed features?
Mar 06 16:54:25 <axxs>	I'm working on some rss stuff atm .. I'll contribute
Mar 06 16:54:29 <and_>	yeah, i think so
Mar 06 16:54:35 <and_>	cool axxs
Mar 06 16:54:49 <klaikong>	ok...looking the discuss dialocque, our team has to be set up our site so lets see in the next meeting regarding our progress...thanks all info today
Mar 06 16:54:50 <anivar>	i am also working on XML based applications
Mar 06 16:54:53 <axxs>	nearly have it done too ... global IMC rss feed imode page
Mar 06 16:55:00 <anivar>	i can contribute in some way
Mar 06 16:55:10 <klaikong>	it's time to leave now..
Mar 06 16:55:16 <and_>	yay anivar
Mar 06 16:55:25 <and_>	oh, ok, bye klaikong
Mar 06 16:55:31 <axxs>	wiki would be good .. the indymedia wiki has an rss section? 
Mar 06 16:55:31 <and_>	sorry to take so long on this
Mar 06 16:55:33 *	pabs has just added a copy of the english language bundles for www.indymedia.org to http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcAsiaPacificMeeting2
Mar 06 16:55:34 <anivar>	bye klaikong
Mar 06 16:55:36 <wowi>	klaikong, good idea :_)
Mar 06 16:55:40 <axxs>	cya klaikong 
Mar 06 16:55:40 <wowi>	bye klaikong 
Mar 06 16:55:43 <wowi>	i'll send you the info
Mar 06 16:55:43 <pabs>	bye klaikong 
Mar 06 16:55:54 <klaikong>	talk later
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Mar 06 16:56:23 <wowi>	thanks pabs 
Mar 06 16:56:23 <wowi>	your fine work is much appreciate
Mar 06 16:56:35 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 16:56:42 <wowi>	so.. next meeting
Mar 06 16:56:53 <anivar>	wowi: thats what i asked earlier
Mar 06 16:56:56 <anivar>	:)
Mar 06 16:56:58 <wowi>	i'll start asking for interest in the meantime
Mar 06 16:57:40 <pabs>	axxs: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/TWiki/WebSearch?search=syndication&web=on&scope=topic
Mar 06 16:57:56 <wowi>	i guess we can do reportbacks now if people want to
Mar 06 16:58:02 <wowi>	brb: loo
Mar 06 16:58:19 <axxs>	pabs, thnks was just looking for that
Mar 06 16:58:20 <pabs>	http://docs.indymedia.org/view/TWiki/WebSearch?search=syndication&web=on&scope=text
Mar 06 16:58:41 <pabs>	http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/WwwSyndication
Mar 06 16:58:48 <fierman>	just as sidenote, the reason why i dropped in is also to pick up fresh ideas.. a thing like this could be very useful to europe as well.. not that much intreraction between the euro indymedias 
Mar 06 16:58:54 <fierman>	 /end
Mar 06 16:58:55 <and_>	so did people want to give report back s of where their indymedia was at?
Mar 06 16:59:10 <Haris>	hmmm, bout the sydication...our site is using oscailt, anyone know how we can syndycate  from jakarta site?
Mar 06 16:59:25 <Haris>	i mean from oscailt
Mar 06 16:59:30 <pabs>	fierman: i look forward to a eu.indymedia.org site!
Mar 06 16:59:51 <pabs>	Haris: yes, it does that i think, will check
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Mar 06 17:00:47 <wowi>	fierman, yes.. it's a good way to decentralise the network
Mar 06 17:00:58 <and_>	haris the irish site does syndication i have seen it but indy ireland seem to be down at the moment
Mar 06 17:00:58 <fierman>	pabs: it wouldnt necessarily be a eu.indymedia site.. just regular (automated) additions to the newsfeed would be fine as well
Mar 06 17:01:23 <fierman>	the central repository wpildnt need to ne public
Mar 06 17:01:28 <fierman>	wouldnt
Mar 06 17:01:39 <Haris>	hmmm okay, but pls help us how to do :-)
Mar 06 17:01:45 <fierman>	but its your meeting, not mine :)
Mar 06 17:01:48 <fierman>	hehe
Mar 06 17:02:07 <fierman>	sorry, please continue
Mar 06 17:02:07 <pabs>	Haris: http://www.jakartaresistance.net/newsfeed.php
Mar 06 17:02:16 <pabs>	its already done
Mar 06 17:02:23 <wowi>	and it'll localise things from process.. better for network wide decision making
Mar 06 17:02:24 <wowi>	i'd love to chat about these ideas sometime.
Mar 06 17:03:49 <and_>	so on agenda is
Mar 06 17:03:49 <and_>	#  indymedia.org language bundles
Mar 06 17:03:50 <and_>	# translation project
Mar 06 17:03:50 <and_>	# email list
Mar 06 17:03:50 <and_>	# hardware - needs/offers /Scoop Appeal
Mar 06 17:03:50 <and_>	# indymedia.org features
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Mar 06 17:03:52 <and_>	# network talk - visions for Imc Asia-Pacific
Mar 06 17:03:52 <wowi>	fierman, if you offer solidarity (which you are) it is just as much your meeting.. the beauty of regional networks is the boundaries betweent hem are fuzzy
Mar 06 17:03:54 <and_>	# WTO - hong kong
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Mar 06 17:04:11 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 17:04:16 <Haris>	pabs : thanks
Mar 06 17:04:22 <wowi>	lets talk about the network.. and the list
Mar 06 17:04:23 <fierman>	wowi: i am well aware, thnx :)
Mar 06 17:04:29 <wowi>	what do we want to see happen
Mar 06 17:04:43 <wowi>	fierman, nice isn't it ;-)
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Mar 06 17:05:00 <wowi>	we have visions of a site
Mar 06 17:05:18 <wowi>	i'd love to see the wiki grow
Mar 06 17:05:21 <and_>	are people on the email list?
Mar 06 17:05:31 <wowi>	yes.. pls see topic
Mar 06 17:06:21 <and_>	are there people from particular indymedias that need help with things? now might be a good time to ask
Mar 06 17:07:45 <wowi>	http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-asia-pacific
Mar 06 17:07:45 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 17:08:42 <aubrey>	i've tried to subscribe but i have not received any confirmation yet
Mar 06 17:09:08 <wowi>	aubrey, query me your email
Mar 06 17:09:13 <wowi>	i will subscribe you now
Mar 06 17:09:22 <aubrey>	that was several days ago
Mar 06 17:09:22 <aubrey>	ok
Mar 06 17:09:34 <aubrey>	aubrey_maeve yahoo.com
Mar 06 17:09:37 <wowi>	does everyone agree with anivar 's responses to my questions regarding list conduct?
Mar 06 17:09:39 <wowi>	http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-asia-pacific/2005-February/0224-ze.html
Mar 06 17:09:45 <wowi>	thanks aubrey 
Mar 06 17:09:53 <aubrey>	thanks too =)
Mar 06 17:10:28 <anivar>	it is time 2 leave for me. bye all
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Mar 06 17:10:49 <wowi>	bye anivar 
Mar 06 17:10:53 <wowi>	thankyou
Mar 06 17:10:55 <aubrey>	caio!
Mar 06 17:11:03 <Haris>	bye annivar
Mar 06 17:11:09 <aubrey>	i mean ciao
Mar 06 17:11:12 <Haris>	:p
Mar 06 17:11:15 <anivar>	ciao 
Mar 06 17:11:23 <aubrey>	hehe
Mar 06 17:12:04 <and_>	ok so where are we up to then
Mar 06 17:12:10 <and_>	do people want to continue?
Mar 06 17:12:31 <dhalbreath>	is there logs kept of the irc meetings?
Mar 06 17:12:39 <wowi>	yes
Mar 06 17:12:47 <wowi>	the last one is on the wiki
Mar 06 17:12:52 <wowi>	and this one will be too
Mar 06 17:12:55 <dhalbreath>	ok
Mar 06 17:12:59 <and_>	i had wto in hong kong up there
Mar 06 17:13:10 <and_>	its not till dec but i think is worth thinking about 
Mar 06 17:13:17 <wowi>	any objections to anivar's list suggestions?
Mar 06 17:14:39 <wowi>	okie doke. if there are any pls email the list
Mar 06 17:14:52 <wowi>	and_, wto
Mar 06 17:15:07 <and_>	i was looking more for feelings from other poeple in the region?
Mar 06 17:15:11 <wowi>	do you really want to discuss this in a public chan?
Mar 06 17:15:18 <and_>	is there any talk in korean or phillipines?
Mar 06 17:15:29 <and_>	we're just talking about covering it
Mar 06 17:15:40 <and_>	i don't think there is a problem with that
Mar 06 17:15:46 <wowi>	alex has mentioned qc is interested in that..
Mar 06 17:16:02 <wowi>	and_, well.. it's a security thing.. 
Mar 06 17:16:07 <wowi>	no specifics
Mar 06 17:16:29 <and_>	yeah but you can't expect to organise anything if it's all undercover
Mar 06 17:16:46 <wowi>	i think people can organise themselve without telling us in a public chan :-)
Mar 06 17:16:55 <and_>	?
Mar 06 17:17:13 <aubrey>	sorry, im lost
Mar 06 17:17:19 <and_>	how can people coordinate coverage if they can't communicate?
Mar 06 17:17:54 <Haris>	need to go now guys.....(dont have much money for now :p) i'll wait for this meeting result
Mar 06 17:18:22 <aubrey>	what about the security issue? is it the puclic archive?
Mar 06 17:18:58 <wowi>	no n
Mar 06 17:18:58 <wowi>	no no
Mar 06 17:19:00 <wowi>	but
Mar 06 17:19:22 <wowi>	anivar suggested a private archive
Mar 06 17:19:28 <Haris>	ciaoo everybody.....
Mar 06 17:19:32 <aubrey>	as to the wto coverage, qc is indeed interested
Mar 06 17:19:52 <and_>	cool
Mar 06 17:19:55 <aubrey>	of course we'll have to find funding for that first
Mar 06 17:19:58 <anivar>	bcoz of the problems of burma imc people
Mar 06 17:20:03 <wowi>	Haris, we'll put stuff on the list
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Mar 06 17:20:17 <wowi>	anivar, burma imc?
Mar 06 17:20:23 <and_>	aubrey do you know wht the issues are with even getting in to hong kong for the meeting?
Mar 06 17:20:25 <aubrey>	not much familiar with the burma imc problem..sorry
Mar 06 17:20:28 <wowi>	ah yes
Mar 06 17:20:31 <wowi>	security
Mar 06 17:20:37 <wowi>	sorry.. confusing threads
Mar 06 17:20:45 <anivar>	burma imc people have some security issues
Mar 06 17:20:56 <aubrey>	ok
Mar 06 17:21:05 <aubrey>	and about the hong kong?
Mar 06 17:21:19 <anivar>	thats why i suggested member viewable archives
Mar 06 17:21:25 <wowi>	anivar, i think we should talk with burma on what they'd prefer
Mar 06 17:21:37 <anivar>	ok
Mar 06 17:21:48 <wowi>	they may feel ok to keep it public.. which would be good for encouraging involvement
Mar 06 17:22:02 <wowi>	but i think private archives are a good solution if necessary.
Mar 06 17:22:18 <aubrey>	i also go for the exclusivity of viewing for the members 
Mar 06 17:22:25 <wowi>	?
Mar 06 17:22:54 <wowi>	i prefer open transparancy.. 
Mar 06 17:23:01 <wowi>	i dont encourage exclusivity.
Mar 06 17:23:16 <aubrey>	FYI: we have problems with some policies by the govt  now
Mar 06 17:23:33 <aubrey>	related to the anti-terror campaign
Mar 06 17:23:36 <anivar>	i also like public archives. but we need to know the openion from burmese people. 
Mar 06 17:23:40 <wowi>	indeed
Mar 06 17:23:55 <and_>	ok, so until we know that should be go back to WTO?
Mar 06 17:23:58 <wowi>	would you like to email them anivar? or shall i?
Mar 06 17:24:25 <anivar>	i can do that. 
Mar 06 17:24:31 <wowi>	cool :-)
Mar 06 17:25:07 <pabs>	whats this about the wto?
Mar 06 17:25:23 <and_>	Maybe we don't need to do much more on WTO for the moment, i was more putting it out there so people know
Mar 06 17:25:35 <wowi>	anivar, will you also help me on writing this email asking for tech help for a eventual site..?
Mar 06 17:25:53 <aubrey>	has there been a document availabale on the WTO thing?
Mar 06 17:25:53 <wowi>	pabs, they meet in hongkong in december
Mar 06 17:26:07 <aubrey>	or the hongkong thing? =0
Mar 06 17:26:10 <wowi>	what we can look at doing is contacting the unnofficial imc-hongkong
Mar 06 17:26:13 <and_>	it would be really cool as there is no IMC china if various indymedias in the region (japan, korea, qc, thailand etc.) were able to coordinate to provide coverge
Mar 06 17:26:15 <wowi>	for rss of their coverage
Mar 06 17:26:23 <wowi>	and global features
Mar 06 17:26:39 <wowi>	how.. when they are not there?
Mar 06 17:26:55 <wowi>	i think qc was hoping for funding to send imc people there.
Mar 06 17:27:09 <aubrey>	=)
Mar 06 17:27:13 <and_>	exactly, so getting people there would be one way
Mar 06 17:27:23 <aubrey>	huh?
Mar 06 17:27:29 <wowi>	i would like to see us link up with an imc group existing in hong kong.
Mar 06 17:27:38 <and_>	one way to do coverage
Mar 06 17:27:40 <wowi>	i will be trying to organise that for global features
Mar 06 17:27:44 <and_>	sure, there is one?
Mar 06 17:27:47 <wowi>	yes
Mar 06 17:27:55 <and_>	ok, cool
Mar 06 17:28:23 <wowi>	i'm sure there will be alot of people going there from the network
Mar 06 17:28:25 <wowi>	... so there will be features
Mar 06 17:28:28 <wowi>	what would you like to see happen and_ ?
Mar 06 17:29:11 <aubrey>	ff up: do you know the link of the info on the hongkong thing?
Mar 06 17:29:16 <aubrey>	sorry to break in
Mar 06 17:29:34 <wowi>	is this for the rss or for global.. 
Mar 06 17:29:44 <wowi>	sure..
Mar 06 17:29:47 <wowi>	i'll find it
Mar 06 17:29:53 <aubrey>	thanks!
Mar 06 17:30:04 <aubrey>	so where are we now..
Mar 06 17:31:08 <and_>	aubrey maybe you and wowi should get more information and get back to the list about what is going to go on?
Mar 06 17:31:42 <and_>	in hong kong that is
Mar 06 17:31:54 <wowi>	?
Mar 06 17:31:59 <wowi>	um..
Mar 06 17:31:59 <aubrey>	?
Mar 06 17:32:10 <and_>	err.. i guess that didn't make sense :)
Mar 06 17:32:19 <wowi>	information about what.. i believe there is a wto site
Mar 06 17:32:38 <aubrey>	ow...i'll try
Mar 06 17:32:41 <wowi>	as for what hongkong imc are doing.. i dont know 
Mar 06 17:32:50 <and_>	i mean get a bit more background information about what is actually going to happen there, find out about HK imc etc.
Mar 06 17:32:55 <wowi>	they stay separate from the network for reasons of security
Mar 06 17:33:02 <wowi>	why dont you :-)
Mar 06 17:33:10 <wowi>	i am a bit bogged down atm
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Mar 06 17:33:44 <and_>	i thought you were interested 
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Mar 06 17:34:23 <and_>	i'll have a look
Mar 06 17:34:23 <wowi>	it was your agenda :-)
Mar 06 17:34:25 <wowi>	and yes i am
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Mar 06 17:34:32 <wowi>	very interested.. but busy
Mar 06 17:34:35 <wowi>	http://www.inmediahk.net/public/index
Mar 06 17:34:44 <wowi>	that is the hongkong site similar to indy
Mar 06 17:35:02 <wowi>	as i said... they stay separate from the network.. for security
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Mar 06 17:35:09 <wowi>	and there is ofcourse the language barrier
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Mar 06 17:35:42 <dhalbreath>	what was the link for the HK site?
Mar 06 17:35:46 <wowi>	i'll start asking around for hongkong contacts
Mar 06 17:35:58 <wowi>	and people planning to go to wto
Mar 06 17:36:18 <and_>	aubrey have you looked into any funding possibilites?
Mar 06 17:36:21 <wowi>	i will perhaps put the quesiton of coverage to www-features
Mar 06 17:36:33 <wowi>	global south fund is a good one
Mar 06 17:36:40 <wowi>	george soros tho.
Mar 06 17:36:52 <wowi>	http://www.inmediahk.net/public/index
Mar 06 17:36:59 <wowi>	dhalbreath, http://www.inmediahk.net/public/index
Mar 06 17:38:01 <and_>	sorry, dinner, thanks for the meeting, WTO is 10 months away so there is time
Mar 06 17:38:09 <and_>	see you all later
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Mar 06 17:38:47 <dhalbreath>	fundraising for what exactly?
Mar 06 17:38:52 <aubrey>	alex said something about the global funds..not sure
Mar 06 17:39:00 <aubrey>	but we'll ask around =)
Mar 06 17:39:23 <wowi>	http://www.soros.org/grants
Mar 06 17:39:45 <wowi>	dhalbreath, imc-qc wouldlike to send indymedia journalists to hongkong wto
Mar 06 17:40:30 <dhalbreath>	oh. i thought you wanted to send it to the hong kongites themselves to fight the wto from their own communitiy. 
Mar 06 17:40:40 <wowi>	i think that is a better idea
Mar 06 17:41:04 <wowi>	but
Mar 06 17:41:13 <aubrey>	could be both =)
Mar 06 17:41:17 <wowi>	qc can ask for grants 
Mar 06 17:41:20 <dhalbreath>	i mean, doesn't a large portion of the population speak english in hong kong? 
Mar 06 17:41:21 <wowi>	indeed ;-)
Mar 06 17:41:29 <wowi>	dhalbreath, good point!
Mar 06 17:41:50 <wowi>	and there are a number of existing radical/political new sites existing there
Mar 06 17:41:55 <dhalbreath>	jaysus, think of what they could do with thousands of dollars in airfare money. what we could all do for that matter.
Mar 06 17:41:55 <wowi>	despite the censors
Mar 06 17:41:57 <aubrey>	culture may have differences but there will always be a crossroad =)
Mar 06 17:42:18 <wowi>	dhalbreath, i agree :-)
Mar 06 17:42:51 <wowi>	perhaps what the focus should be is on making links with exisitn independent news makers there
Mar 06 17:42:52 <aubrey>	money..always a problem =)
Mar 06 17:42:58 <wowi>	well before wto
Mar 06 17:43:22 <dhalbreath>	if you wanna cover the next kctu general strike, by the way, don't bother sending anyone. we can cover it. 
Mar 06 17:43:31 <wowi>	and get the idea of starting indymedia for hongkong out there.. but again..t he quesiton of personal safety for activists involevd.
Mar 06 17:43:40 <wowi>	dhalbreath, cool
Mar 06 17:43:49 <wowi>	do you guys have digital cameras?
Mar 06 17:44:12 <dhalbreath>	yeah
Mar 06 17:44:31 <wowi>	great :-)
Mar 06 17:44:38 <wowi>	and you have a sponsor for newimc?
Mar 06 17:44:57 <dhalbreath>	I think Jong is willing to do it...
Mar 06 17:45:09 <wowi>	duh
Mar 06 17:45:11 <wowi>	sorry
Mar 06 17:45:20 <dhalbreath>	sokay
Mar 06 17:45:22 <aubrey>	?
Mar 06 17:45:23 <wowi>	we've been through this
Mar 06 17:45:35 *	wowi only had 2hrs sleep.. apologies
Mar 06 17:46:19 <dhalbreath>	the korea situation is at a point where we are raising awarness before starting the imc 
Mar 06 17:46:46 <wowi>	and_afk, are you emailing peeps in hongkong? still want to do an asia-pacific fundraiser in sydney/melbs with me?
Mar 06 17:46:55 <dhalbreath>	there are tons of korean language independent media networks just not and IMC and nothing really in English
Mar 06 17:47:10 <wowi>	yes..
Mar 06 17:47:26 <wowi>	we can put your features on global.indymedia before you have done newimc
Mar 06 17:47:29 <wowi>	we can do that now
Mar 06 17:47:42 <wowi>	and there is also the newswire on indymedia.org
Mar 06 17:47:45 <dhalbreath>	wicked!
Mar 06 17:47:48 <wowi>	you can post anything there
Mar 06 17:47:53 <anivar>	i found 5-10 of activists blogs from hong kong
Mar 06 17:48:24 <anivar>	what about asking their support 
Mar 06 17:48:34 <wowi>	you can join the collective if you want even ;-) haris has been putting great indonesian features on global.. and they are nto yet thru newimc
Mar 06 17:48:42 <wowi>	anivar, great
Mar 06 17:48:47 <wowi>	good idea
Mar 06 17:49:34 <anivar>	we can integrate these all throuh features
Mar 06 17:49:39 <wowi>	shall we maybe write an generic.. cover wto email.. explaining the indymedia project and how they can be involved even without a collecitve and send it to as many activists as possible?
Mar 06 17:49:42 <wowi>	yes
Mar 06 17:49:44 <wowi>	!
Mar 06 17:49:44 <walden>	anivar: hk activist blogs?  i'd be interested in hearing more about that later
Mar 06 17:49:47 <wowi>	and the global newswire
Mar 06 17:50:05 <wowi>	yes.. pls post the links to the list.. i'd love to read them
Mar 06 17:50:05 <aubrey>	can i encourage progressive friends/orgs in hongkong to form their own imc
Mar 06 17:50:14 <wowi>	sure
Mar 06 17:50:19 <wowi>	but for now
Mar 06 17:50:22 <aubrey>	but most are Filipinos
Mar 06 17:50:25 <walden>	cool
Mar 06 17:50:27 <anivar>	I have a list .but not with me now. i will mail u later
Mar 06 17:50:27 <wowi>	encourage them to use indymedial.org
Mar 06 17:50:35 <wowi>	to post stories on teh newsire.. and features
Mar 06 17:50:38 <aubrey>	ok..
Mar 06 17:50:43 <wowi>	thanks anivar 
Mar 06 17:50:56 <wowi>	aubrey, encourage everything ;-)
Mar 06 17:51:04 <walden>	who is from hk or china here?
Mar 06 17:51:28 <aubrey>	we'll do it =)
Mar 06 17:51:54 <walden>	sorry to be in and out of the conversation... it's 2am here...
Mar 06 17:52:02 <walden>	did we get to tech donations yet?
Mar 06 17:52:18 <wowi>	aubrey, perhaps we should do it as a network
Mar 06 17:52:25 <aubrey>	how?
Mar 06 17:52:27 <wowi>	put the email to the list and ratify it
Mar 06 17:52:39 <wowi>	then send it from asia-pacific imcs
Mar 06 17:52:54 <wowi>	you can ofcourse do extra encouraging ;-)
Mar 06 17:53:01 <aubrey>	i'll ask them first. but i think it would be favorable to them in popularizing their issues in HK
Mar 06 17:53:10 <wowi>	cool
Mar 06 17:53:20 <wowi>	tell them that they can post to indymedia.org now
Mar 06 17:53:42 <aubrey>	okidoki
Mar 06 17:55:24 <aubrey>	i mean i've emailed them and wait for their response
Mar 06 17:55:30 <wowi>	cool
Mar 06 17:55:42 <wowi>	aubrey, do you want to draft an email to imc-asia-pacific?
Mar 06 17:55:45 <wowi>	and we can work on it from there?
Mar 06 17:55:56 <wowi>	to be sent to hongkong people?
Mar 06 17:56:33 <wowi>	or anyone
Mar 06 17:56:44 <wowi>	sorry to delegate to you aubrey 
Mar 06 17:57:00 <aubrey>	i just need some details and our collective can do that =)
Mar 06 17:57:47 <wowi>	cool thanks :-)
Mar 06 17:57:55 <wowi>	please send it to the list and i can add stuff about global features etc..
Mar 06 17:58:26 <aubrey>	ok. maybe tom or tue if its ok? we have some deadlines here =)
Mar 06 17:59:37 <wowi>	whenever you can ;-) we're all busy!
Mar 06 17:59:53 <aubrey>	clarification..letter specifically on what? hahaha!
Mar 06 18:00:14 <wowi>	lol
Mar 06 18:00:14 <aubrey>	sort of formal letter introducing imc asi-pacific?
Mar 06 18:00:14 <wowi>	:-))
Mar 06 18:00:29 <wowi>	an invite to cover for imc the wto protests
Mar 06 18:00:34 <wowi>	and to get involved in the indymedia projects
Mar 06 18:00:44 <aubrey>	owww...
Mar 06 18:00:44 <wowi>	and how they can do that now
Mar 06 18:00:54 <wowi>	and maybe eventually have an imc
Mar 06 18:01:04 <wowi>	and perhaps walden can translate it after ;-)
Mar 06 18:01:20 <wowi>	aubrey, write what you can.. and i can add to it
Mar 06 18:01:20 <dhalbreath>	really really great ideas!
Mar 06 18:01:25 <wowi>	we can work on this one together ;-)
Mar 06 18:01:49 <wowi>	dhalbreath, :-)
Mar 06 18:02:00 <wowi>	they came from yours ;-)
Mar 06 18:02:00 <dhalbreath>	wowie :)!
Mar 06 18:02:09 <wowi>	hehehe
Mar 06 18:02:31 <wowi>	dhalbreath, do you want me to write a short email to your list on stuff you can do with indymedia.org now?
Mar 06 18:02:44 <wowi>	like the links on feature proposals etc?
Mar 06 18:03:05 <dhalbreath>	yeah that would be great. we kinda feel like we are on the short end of the learning curve...
Mar 06 18:03:13 <wowi>	hehe
Mar 06 18:03:22 <wowi>	dont worry you'll have heaps of help ;-)
Mar 06 18:03:29 <dhalbreath>	thanks 
Mar 06 18:03:39 <wowi>	i'll helo jong out with your newimc stuff.. and if you ever want to ask anything.. go to #newimc
Mar 06 18:03:42 <wowi>	or #oceania
Mar 06 18:03:45 <wowi>	or #asia!
Mar 06 18:03:47 <wowi>	hehe
Mar 06 18:04:12 <dhalbreath>	short end doesn't look so infinite now...
Mar 06 18:04:19 <wowi>	:-D
Mar 06 18:04:25 <wowi>	great
Mar 06 18:05:06 <wowi>	ok.. hrm. are we done..
Mar 06 18:05:20 <dhalbreath>	we can discuss this project with mediact...they have a lot of global solidarity links 
Mar 06 18:05:30 <wowi>	cool
Mar 06 18:05:35 <wowi>	sounds interesting
Mar 06 18:06:20 <pabs>	ok, i'm gonna prepare the meeting logs now
Mar 06 18:06:33 <pabs>	unless there is more to discuss
Mar 06 18:06:56 <wowi>	project with mediact
Mar 06 18:07:08 <wowi>	pabs, love ya energy buddy ;-)
Mar 06 18:07:52 <pabs>	:) wheres the agenda up to?
Mar 06 18:08:14 <anivar>	:)
Mar 06 18:08:41 <wowi>	hrm
Mar 06 18:08:54 <anivar>	3 hours meeting :)
Mar 06 18:09:02 <wowi>	we can talk visions etc for the network.. or we could talk about needs etc
Mar 06 18:09:31 <wowi>	sorry anivar: i'm a bit hungover. we had gay pride here last nite.. 
Mar 06 18:09:57 <wowi>	lets talk about what people need
Mar 06 18:10:03 <aubrey>	and perhaps where can we get our needs? =)
Mar 06 18:10:06 <wowi>	hardware/skills/$$ whatever
Mar 06 18:10:09 <wowi>	yes
Mar 06 18:10:43 <wowi>	i've been talking with and_afk and other people about the prospect of us doing a fundraiser for the asia-pacific
Mar 06 18:10:54 <wowi>	but we wanted to know what exactly is needed
Mar 06 18:11:03 <wowi>	so we can tell people..
Mar 06 18:11:12 <wowi>	we're not sure we can doit yet.. and to what magnituded
Mar 06 18:11:35 <wowi>	and_afk, and i actually live in different cities.. but i could go to melbourne 
Mar 06 18:11:54 <wowi>	so. what do collectives need?
Mar 06 18:12:01 <wowi>	i know jakarta needs a digi cam
Mar 06 18:12:09 <wowi>	and burma needs funding for pga.
Mar 06 18:12:14 <wowi>	(to send a delegate)
Mar 06 18:12:50 <wowi>	i'm also going to try to make this appeal happen.. that we discussed a while ago.
Mar 06 18:13:02 <wowi>	an appeal for second hand equipment
Mar 06 18:13:06 <wowi>	mainly laptops.. and cameras
Mar 06 18:13:06 <aubrey>	=)
Mar 06 18:13:12 <wowi>	but..
Mar 06 18:13:15 <wowi>	what do you guys need?
Mar 06 18:13:27 <wowi>	dhalbreath, imc-korea especially
Mar 06 18:13:44 <wowi>	i'm curious as to what you need, including tech support.. etc
Mar 06 18:15:00 <dhalbreath>	we're so small now...we don't anticipate any probs with equipment could use tech support as we are starting. 
Mar 06 18:15:09 <wowi>	what code?
Mar 06 18:15:22 <wowi>	i can help find you that..
Mar 06 18:15:30 <dhalbreath>	well we could start with that. whaddya mean by code???
Mar 06 18:16:03 <wowi>	have you chosen a codebase for your site?
Mar 06 18:16:03 <pabs>	i would suggest mir for a korea indymedia site... for the translation capabilities
Mar 06 18:16:16 <wowi>	i would suggest mir cos mir is cool ;-)
Mar 06 18:16:19 <wowi>	AND!
Mar 06 18:16:28 <wowi>	because if you use mir imc-uk will host you
Mar 06 18:16:42 <dhalbreath>	ok. mir it is then if wowi says it's good.
Mar 06 18:16:45 <wowi>	and offer tech
Mar 06 18:16:48 <wowi>	haha
Mar 06 18:17:24 <wowi>	i'll write an email to imc-tech, and the uk techs cc'd to you.. and you can take it from there
Mar 06 18:17:57 <wowi>	they can tell you more about it and then you can talk with your collective..
Mar 06 18:18:03 <wowi>	do you have any techs at all?
Mar 06 18:18:35 <dhalbreath>	korea can most likely handle the tech stuff once we get started... for now though we have been focusing our organizing efforts on writers etc... and not been talking so much about tech
Mar 06 18:19:37 <dhalbreath>	sort of but nobody commited full time...
Mar 06 18:20:06 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 18:20:15 <wowi>	sounds like a good approach
Mar 06 18:20:32 <wowi>	so how many people in your collective?
Mar 06 18:21:14 <dhalbreath>	6 regular and we are doing outreach to other activist groups now
Mar 06 18:21:21 <wowi>	fantastic
Mar 06 18:21:33 <wowi>	how's your net access?
Mar 06 18:21:47 <dhalbreath>	korea is the most wired country in the world...
Mar 06 18:21:53 <wowi>	:-D
Mar 06 18:22:04 ---	stacy is now known as stacy-afk
Mar 06 18:22:07 <wowi>	well.. great!
Mar 06 18:22:31 <dhalbreath>	there are tons of independent media groups here... just all in korean... the IMC would fill the nitch of getting info out in English
Mar 06 18:22:39 <wowi>	ok
Mar 06 18:23:10 <wowi>	i'll send you an email with newimc info too.. as i'm sending one to thailand.. s
Mar 06 18:23:22 <wowi>	so have we finished with needs?
Mar 06 18:23:40 <wowi>	i'll work on that scoop thing with burma.. who unfortunately didn't make it.. and send it to the lsit
Mar 06 18:23:44 <wowi>	i'll work on that scoop thing with burma.. who unfortunately didn't make it.. and send it to the list
Mar 06 18:23:49 <dhalbreath>	but we have to be very careful in our organising and not step on any toes...for now most of the members are foreigners.
Mar 06 18:24:08 <wowi>	the scoop thing is the equipment appeal
Mar 06 18:24:18 <wowi>	dhalbreath, ah ok
Mar 06 18:25:58 <dhalbreath>	nevin and i are debating now...sorry
Mar 06 18:26:10 <wowi>	i haven't got much else to say.. the item for 'visions for this project' can be discussed as it evolves
Mar 06 18:26:33 <wowi>	an aim for an asia-pacific site is exciting enough for me
Mar 06 18:26:51 <wowi>	i'll start asking people if they are interested in the project
Mar 06 18:26:57 *	wowi gos to get food
Mar 06 18:27:01 <wowi>	brb
Mar 06 18:27:08 <dhalbreath>	we think the only thing we might need is server space and we are hoping jinbonet will help us...
Mar 06 18:27:21 <aubrey>	we have many projects in mind. if you know funding agencies or grants, please let us know =)
Mar 06 18:27:41 <dhalbreath>	where are you from again aubrey?
Mar 06 18:27:49 <aubrey>	philippines =)
Mar 06 18:27:59 <dhalbreath>	thanks...so confusing.
Mar 06 18:28:00 <wowi>	dhalbreath, if you use mir you have server space on imc-uk
Mar 06 18:28:06 <wowi>	they have already told me that.
Mar 06 18:28:17 <dhalbreath>	ok
Mar 06 18:28:33 <wowi>	and they can help with tech too..
Mar 06 18:28:36 <wowi>	brb
Mar 06 18:28:47 <dhalbreath>	we wanna keep it as local as we can...so we will really try for jinbonet.
Mar 06 18:29:03 <aubrey>	dhalbreath, do you know that my country is very much into koreanovelas now?
Mar 06 18:29:13 <aubrey>	oopss. off topic..hehe .. sori
Mar 06 18:29:49 <dhalbreath>	:)
Mar 06 18:31:10 <aubrey>	do we have some sorth of profile of volunteers of local imcs?
Mar 06 18:31:17 <aubrey>	sort..
Mar 06 18:31:18 <dhalbreath>	aubrey, from which IMC?
Mar 06 18:31:28 <aubrey>	imc-qc ear =)
Mar 06 18:31:41 <aubrey>	dear..shaks, my keyboard!
Mar 06 18:32:43 <aubrey>	do we have some sorth of profile of volunteers of local imcs? 
Mar 06 18:32:51 <wowi>	http://qc.indymedia.org/
Mar 06 18:32:55 <dhalbreath>	aubrey, I visited Manila and now some kids from the Manila IMC..
Mar 06 18:33:27 <aubrey>	i have not visited their site since they had an internal conflict
Mar 06 18:35:23 <dhalbreath>	aubrey, I stayed with some kids like Alex and Terry...?
Mar 06 18:35:46 <aubrey>	oh, alex remollino? he's my collective =)
Mar 06 18:36:07 <aubrey>	and colleague too! we write for the same publication
Mar 06 18:36:18 <dhalbreath>	:) oh! this is nevin 
Mar 06 18:36:30 <dhalbreath>	he also knows my friend Seth
Mar 06 18:36:42 <aubrey>	hi there! do we need a different channel for this? =)
Mar 06 18:37:33 <dhalbreath>	maybe another time
Mar 06 18:37:56 <aubrey>	haha! yeah
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Mar 06 18:47:56 <aubrey>	so that's it?
Mar 06 18:48:20 *	pabs checks agenda page
Mar 06 18:48:48 <pabs>	was this discussed? * hardware - needs/offers /Scoop Appeal
Mar 06 18:49:31 <pabs>	<wowi>	the scoop thing is the equipment appeal
Mar 06 18:49:37 <pabs>	ah, i guess so
Mar 06 18:52:28 <wowi>	yup
Mar 06 18:52:41 <wowi>	people didn't really say what they need in terms of hardware
Mar 06 18:52:53 <wowi>	i'll email the list and different collectives.
Mar 06 18:54:16 <aubrey>	oh hardware?
Mar 06 18:54:22 <aubrey>	i'm alive!
Mar 06 18:54:38 <aubrey>	hehe
Mar 06 18:58:24 <pabs>	so, are we done for this meeting?
Mar 06 19:00:07 <aubrey>	i think so..
Mar 06 19:00:38 <pabs>	ok
Mar 06 19:01:01 <pabs>	thanks to everyone for attending, i'll put the logs up on the wiki now
Mar 06 19:01:03 <wowi>	yeh
Mar 06 19:01:25 <wowi>	yes
Mar 06 19:01:29 <wowi>	thanks for all your energy everyone
Mar 06 19:01:40 <wowi>	it was really good..