Nov 30 17:24:50 <pabs>	hullo
Nov 30 17:25:02 <pabs>	meeting started yet?
Nov 30 17:25:24 <spanna>	hey
Nov 30 17:25:40 <spanna>	nope i've been sitting in here talking to myself
Nov 30 17:25:49 <pabs>	:(
Nov 30 17:25:50 <spanna>	just about to send an email to the list
Nov 30 17:26:03 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 17:26:06 <pabs>	hmm
Nov 30 17:26:12 <pabs>	and can't make it
Nov 30 17:26:30 <spanna>	u can't makeit?
Nov 30 17:26:50 <pabs>	nah the guy from melb called 'and'
Nov 30 17:27:00 <spanna>	oh.. yeh :)
Nov 30 17:27:01 <pabs>	yes that nick is confusing
Nov 30 17:27:23 <spanna>	seems like he ain't the only one
Nov 30 17:27:36 <spanna>	funny thing is i joined last night at 8pm thinking it was 
Nov 30 17:27:39 <pabs>	bah
Nov 30 17:27:41 <spanna>	a saturday meeting
Nov 30 17:27:50 <pabs>	anyone on?
Nov 30 17:27:59 <pabs>	last night?
Nov 30 17:28:04 <spanna>	no....
Nov 30 17:28:47 <spanna>	we've nearly finished the newsreel, so thats good news
Nov 30 17:29:27 <pabs>	cool, so you are melb crew?
Nov 30 17:29:32 <spanna>	yup
Nov 30 17:29:51 <spanna>	for a little while now
Nov 30 17:30:12 <pabs>	just gonna go read and's email
Nov 30 17:30:17 <pabs>	t the list
Nov 30 17:30:18 <spanna>	n u are syd?
Nov 30 17:30:19 <spanna>	k
Nov 30 17:30:22 <pabs>	perth
Nov 30 17:30:27 <spanna>	cool
Nov 30 17:31:13 <spanna>	i'm just putting together a graphix intro
Nov 30 17:31:18 <spanna>	thats a map of oceania that zooms in
Nov 30 17:31:29 <spanna>	so i'll get on with that and keep this window open
Nov 30 17:31:41 <pabs>	sounds cool
Nov 30 17:32:03 <pabs>	btw, a nice free irc client is xchat (windoze and linux)
Nov 30 17:33:03 <spanna>	mmm mebbe i'll leave and install it
Nov 30 17:33:31 <spanna>	actually i could just use mozilla chatzilla
Nov 30 17:33:43 <spanna>	is xchat betta for some reason?
Nov 30 17:34:20 <spanna>	leaving for a bit
Nov 30 17:34:21 <spanna>	bye
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Nov 30 17:37:02 <pabs>	hullo
Nov 30 17:37:54 <pabs>	here for the meeting?
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Nov 30 17:38:16 <spanna>	hehe
Nov 30 17:38:19 <spanna>	just me
Nov 30 17:38:20 <pabs>	:P
Nov 30 17:39:00 <spanna>	;)
Nov 30 17:39:05 <spanna>	off for a ciggie
Nov 30 17:39:13 <pabs>	spanna = anna h?
Nov 30 17:39:21 <pabs>	k
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Nov 30 17:43:57 <claremarie>	hello
Nov 30 17:44:01 <claremarie>	am i late?
Nov 30 17:44:08 <pabs>	nope
Nov 30 17:44:16 <pabs>	only a coupla peeps here
Nov 30 17:44:23 <pabs>	and isn't coming probly
Nov 30 17:44:39 <claremarie>	thought i might have gotten the time wrong?
Nov 30 17:44:47 <pabs>	i think we should wait a while just in case
Nov 30 17:44:52 <pabs>	that was my fault
Nov 30 17:44:54 <pabs>	sorry
Nov 30 17:44:59 <pabs>	finn coming?
Nov 30 17:45:04 <claremarie>	tis ok
Nov 30 17:45:28 <claremarie>	um, no he can't make it :(
Nov 30 17:45:41 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 17:45:46 <spanna>	hiya, anna from melbs here
Nov 30 17:45:52 shayne spanna Nov 30 17:45:54 ---	pabs gives channel operator status to spanna
Nov 30 17:45:59 <claremarie>	do i have time to make a coffee then?
Nov 30 17:46:01 <spanna>	claremarie are u NZ?
Nov 30 17:46:08 <claremarie>	yup, dunedin
Nov 30 17:46:13 <pabs>	yes clare, go for it
Nov 30 17:46:24 <spanna>	yay
Nov 30 17:46:24 <claremarie>	(been a long day)
Nov 30 17:46:50 <pabs>	hey anna, as a start can you hang out in here whenever possible?
Nov 30 17:47:07 <spanna>	sure, no probs
Nov 30 17:47:13 <pabs>	kool
Nov 30 17:47:27 <pabs>	just want more people to frequent this chan
Nov 30 17:47:31 <shayne>	whos still to come?
Nov 30 17:47:35 <spanna>	yeh, would be good
Nov 30 17:47:37 *	shayne looks round.
Nov 30 17:47:47 <shayne>	I know the jong was. erm.
Nov 30 17:47:58 *	pabs was hoping bris, cat crew were
Nov 30 17:48:03 <shayne>	boyd
Nov 30 17:48:10 <pabs>	yeah, and brian
Nov 30 17:49:08 <pabs>	brb, snack
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Nov 30 17:59:56 <pabs>	hullo x
Nov 30 18:00:10 <x>	hi
Nov 30 18:00:17 <pabs>	you here for the oceania meeting?
Nov 30 18:00:21 <claremarie>	k, sorry bout that
Nov 30 18:00:25 <pabs>	hasn't started yet
Nov 30 18:00:28 <x>	no I', just looking
Nov 30 18:00:32 <pabs>	ah, k
Nov 30 18:00:50 <shayne>	Hmm. What IMC's we got represented here?
Nov 30 18:01:06 <shayne>	I'm seein a coupla perths, and a coupla nz's.
Nov 30 18:01:09 <pabs>	perth, nz, melb, zl2tod
Nov 30 18:01:11 <claremarie>	aotearoa repreeseent
Nov 30 18:01:33 <claremarie>	z12tod is an nz peep
Nov 30 18:01:40 <pabs>	where are you from x?
Nov 30 18:02:11 <x>	germany
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Nov 30 18:02:40 <pabs>	hey adz
Nov 30 18:02:54 <adz>	hey! 
Nov 30 18:03:03 <shayne>	adz: oceania meet?
Nov 30 18:03:11 <pabs>	hasn't started yet
Nov 30 18:03:13 <spanna>	hey adz
Nov 30 18:03:20 <adz>	take it it's 7pm EST now? bit confused... it's 8 in brisbane ;) 
Nov 30 18:03:26 <spanna>	spanna= anna h btw
Nov 30 18:03:27 <adz>	hey a
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Nov 30 18:03:38 <shayne>	ah ok.
Nov 30 18:04:03 <shayne>	so we are just down on , a rep from syd and manilla?
Nov 30 18:04:38 <adz>	happened last time .. ;) i'm running around like a mad galah atm this starts in an hour yeah ? 
Nov 30 18:05:11 <pabs>	whenver peeps want it to
Nov 30 18:05:36 <claremarie>	it's getting late here, so maybe it could start soon?
Nov 30 18:05:42 <shayne>	I suggest in future, that when we gazette a meeting we do it like (say, 7pm perth,manilla 9pm adelaide, 10pm,rarara, 11pm nz) etc.
Nov 30 18:05:53 <shayne>	Ok.
Nov 30 18:06:07 <pabs>	daylight saving
Nov 30 18:06:42 <shayne>	* Logging #oceania to 'logs\#oceania.indymedia.org.log'
Nov 30 18:07:25 <shayne>	Agenda #1. --> Sos thingee.
Nov 30 18:07:41 <shayne>	Should we wait a little more? Or should we get cracking?
Nov 30 18:07:59 <claremarie>	i reckon we should start
Nov 30 18:08:25 <shayne>	Ok. Someone want to fill us in what the SoS thing is about (I'm clueless on the issue)
Nov 30 18:08:25 <pabs>	adz?
Nov 30 18:08:56 <pabs>	at/after sos we have an imc-oceania miniconf type thing
Nov 30 18:09:08 <pabs>	not sure of the focus yet
Nov 30 18:09:13 <adz>	i have to run away for 45m, feel free to star  tho would like to discuss newsreal... .
Nov 30 18:09:15 <shayne>	Any pressing issues to discuss on topic yet?
Nov 30 18:09:31 <pabs>	adz: any input on conf?
Nov 30 18:09:53 <pabs>	willing to come? july 10-18 in melb
Nov 30 18:10:08 <adz>	i thought it was goin to be media circus? u mean students of sustrainabiliity
Nov 30 18:10:43 <pabs>	not really decided yet, will be separate tho
Nov 30 18:10:43 <spanna>	RE: miniconf - i'll be able to come, and help organise from mid-june onwards
Nov 30 18:10:49 <adz>	that sound cool... ;) u guys should come up for www.straightoutofbrisbane.com WED-SUN THS WEEK !!! ;) hehehe 
Nov 30 18:10:51 <pabs>	cool
Nov 30 18:10:59 <adz>	see uze soon.... 
Nov 30 18:11:04 <spanna>	cya
Nov 30 18:11:07 <pabs>	k
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Nov 30 18:11:25 <pabs>	ok, shall we start on conf?
Nov 30 18:11:28 <shayne>	SoS works best for perth [and its geografically fine for melb], but possibly not for others. Maybe 2 miniconfs (one at each)
Nov 30 18:11:46 <claremarie>	well theres a few keen people over here that want to go
Nov 30 18:11:52 <pabs>	spanna: is media circus still happening?
Nov 30 18:12:03 <spanna>	......... not too sure at this stage
Nov 30 18:12:05 <pabs>	is there enuf energy for it
Nov 30 18:12:11 <pabs>	and thinks not it seems
Nov 30 18:12:16 <spanna>	certainly NOT in march
Nov 30 18:12:29 <spanna>	i think there is enuf energy
Nov 30 18:12:43 <pabs>	well, it would be great if it could happen just after sos
Nov 30 18:12:45 <spanna>	its just that the it was proposed for too early in the year
Nov 30 18:13:09 *	shayne coughs. *anarchon*
Nov 30 18:13:10 <pabs>	requires lots of organising by melb crew tho
Nov 30 18:13:15 <pabs>	lol
Nov 30 18:13:23 <claremarie>	anarchon?
Nov 30 18:13:40 <pabs>	anarchist conference, in perth in jan this year
Nov 30 18:13:41 <spanna>	so mediacircus seems to be a possibility, not a probability
Nov 30 18:13:46 <shayne>	anarchist conference in perth early 2004. 
Nov 30 18:13:51 *	shayne fears worst for that conf.
Nov 30 18:14:01 <spanna>	at least not a confirmability
Nov 30 18:14:02 <claremarie>	oh dear :(
Nov 30 18:14:16 <pabs>	hmm
Nov 30 18:14:48 <spanna>	how about TINA next year, as a subsequent miniconf to SNS?
Nov 30 18:15:08 <claremarie>	what is TINA and SNS
Nov 30 18:15:11 <spanna>	if there isn't a mediacircus before then
Nov 30 18:15:11 <shayne>	hmm. that could work.
Nov 30 18:15:16 <spanna>	sorry claremarie
Nov 30 18:15:17 *	pabs don't think he can afford two trips
Nov 30 18:15:28 <spanna>	TINA is "this is not art"
Nov 30 18:15:38 <spanna>	http://www.thisisnotart.org
Nov 30 18:15:43 <claremarie>	oh right, i want to go to that
Nov 30 18:16:03 <spanna>	electrofringe would be supportive
Nov 30 18:16:18 <spanna>	electrofringe= a TINA festival
Nov 30 18:16:27 <spanna>	especially if we got in early
Nov 30 18:16:46 <pabs>	spanna: it's students *of* sustaniability now
Nov 30 18:16:54 <spanna>	oh
Nov 30 18:17:02 <spanna>	of
Nov 30 18:17:06 <pabs>	better i think
Nov 30 18:17:16 <pabs>	less emphasis on students
Nov 30 18:17:17 <spanna>	yeh
Nov 30 18:17:32 <spanna>	right, i've never been to one myself, but i hear they rock
Nov 30 18:17:38 <pabs>	indeed
Nov 30 18:17:47 <claremarie>	when is TINA next year?
Nov 30 18:17:55 <spanna>	it is really a majorly student thing tho isn't it?
Nov 30 18:18:05 <spanna>	TINA is always on in the first week of october
Nov 30 18:18:08 <pabs>	fairly
Nov 30 18:18:23 <pabs>	what's the media circus url spanna ?
Nov 30 18:18:27 <claremarie>	hmmm, bout the same time as fringe festival here
Nov 30 18:18:28 <spanna>	glad to hear i'd be welcome tho i have always been a dropout
Nov 30 18:18:47 <spanna>	dunno what the url is....... googleit
Nov 30 18:18:51 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 18:19:00 <spanna>	don't think there'd be anything useful about future events
Nov 30 18:19:08 <spanna>	cos they were being rather coy about it
Nov 30 18:19:16 <pabs>	i just don't know much about it
Nov 30 18:19:23 <pabs>	what was involved
Nov 30 18:19:26 <pabs>	n stuff
Nov 30 18:19:29 <spanna>	oh. its very cool
Nov 30 18:19:35 <spanna>	not that i've been to one ;)
Nov 30 18:19:44 <spanna>	i've just heard alot about it
Nov 30 18:19:54 <spanna>	and i read the Reader they produced
Nov 30 18:19:57 <pabs>	how come none were done the past 2 years?
Nov 30 18:20:05 <spanna>	its called Rogue States
Nov 30 18:20:12 <pabs>	http://www.antimedia.net/mediacircus/2k1index.html
Nov 30 18:20:49 <pabs>	whoa these things were huge
Nov 30 18:21:12 <spanna>	yeh, seems like a mix of very DIY stuff and quite academic stuff
Nov 30 18:21:29 <shayne>	was that the one covering surveilance, embodiment, stuff like that?
Nov 30 18:21:38 <spanna>	guess u just answered yr question
Nov 30 18:22:00 <spanna>	shayne- not too sure
Nov 30 18:22:23 *	shayne pleased. Just found his old re-displacing virtual spaces paper that was gunna get published in continuum, but I lost the paper.
Nov 30 18:22:33 <pabs>	'Speakers are Naomi Klein, Tony Birch and Gavin Sullivan'
Nov 30 18:22:37 <shayne>	might of been another conf.
Nov 30 18:24:10 <spanna>	mmm. well its all a bit academic, the question about media circus
Nov 30 18:24:19 <spanna>	i'll get in contact about it and get back to the list
Nov 30 18:24:26 <pabs>	excellent
Nov 30 18:24:56 <pabs>	well, what are peoples ideas for this conf thing other than media circus
Nov 30 18:25:17 <claremarie>	what was the question?
Nov 30 18:25:33 *	pabs wants to get together with other geeks, work on stuff
Nov 30 18:25:42 <pabs>	claremarie: <pabs> well, what are peoples ideas for this conf thing other than media circus
Nov 30 18:25:42 <pabs>	<c
Nov 30 18:26:10 <claremarie>	thanks :)
Nov 30 18:27:14 <claremarie>	well i think a coding session would be good too
Nov 30 18:27:46 <pabs>	gonna go dig up emails about it
Nov 30 18:27:55 <claremarie>	but other than generally scheming about oceania indy projects, some workshops
Nov 30 18:29:06 <pabs>	i like and's idea of a public meeting at the start
Nov 30 18:29:15 <claremarie>	me too
Nov 30 18:29:18 *	shayne wryly suggests vetting thru an open newswire before throwing it on projectors. Me , pabs and marie did a workshop on indy at last SoS, and managed to find my first ever discovery of hardcore porn on a newswire..... while it was sitting on a projector screen infront of audience.
Nov 30 18:29:23 <shayne>	I turned bright red alas.
Nov 30 18:29:52 <shayne>	it turned to be a good way to discuss why sometimes moderation is necesarry.
Nov 30 18:30:08 <pabs>	al, just arrived in #perth btw
Nov 30 18:30:34 <pabs>	yeha
Nov 30 18:31:14 *	pabs tries tot wake him up
Nov 30 18:31:29 <claremarie>	hope the audience wasn't too conservative :)
Nov 30 18:32:39 <shayne>	er. nah it was small, and most saw the humor, particularly the humor of me fumbling to get it the fuck off the screen.
Nov 30 18:32:48 <claremarie>	:)
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Nov 30 18:33:38 <shayne>	Ok. Can we move on temporarily to next item?
Nov 30 18:33:39 <pabs>	how much u miss annah?
Nov 30 18:33:40 <annah>	hi sorry about that
Nov 30 18:33:54 <annah>	i crashed while trying to burn a cd...
Nov 30 18:34:17 <annah>	last thing i got was - what we gonna do non-media circus
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> what was the question?
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	* pabs wants to get together with other geeks, work on stuff
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<pabs> claremarie: <pabs> well, what are peoples ideas for this conf thing other than media circus
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<pabs> <c
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> thanks :)
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> well i think a coding session would be good too
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<pabs> gonna go dig up emails about it
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> but other than generally scheming about oceania indy projects, some workshops
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<pabs> i like and's idea of a public meeting at the start
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> me too
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	* shayne wryly suggests vetting thru an open newswire before throwing it on projectors. Me , pabs and marie did a workshop on indy at last SoS, and managed to find my first ever discovery of hardcore porn on a newswire..... while it was sitting on a projector screen infront of audience.
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<shayne> I turned bright red alas.
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<shayne> it turned to be a good way to discuss why sometimes moderation is necesarry.
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<pabs> al, just arrived in #perth btw
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<pabs> yeha
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	* pabs tries tot wake him up
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> hope the audience wasn't too conservative :)
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<shayne> er. nah it was small, and most saw the humor, particularly the humor of me fumbling to get it the fuck off the screen.
Nov 30 18:34:38 <pabs>	<claremarie> :)
Nov 30 18:35:12 *	pabs hopes he doesn't get kicked
Nov 30 18:35:37 <annah>	thanx for filling me in :)
Nov 30 18:37:07 <annah>	obviously i'd like to talk about the newsreal video thing
Nov 30 18:37:10 <shayne>	shall we move onto newsreel ?
Nov 30 18:37:17 <shayne>	^^^ yah.
Nov 30 18:37:17 <annah>	and do some web video workshops
Nov 30 18:37:25 <annah>	at the mini-conf that is 
Nov 30 18:37:34 <claremarie>	yup, that would be good
Nov 30 18:37:34 <pabs>	<adz> i have to run away for 45m, feel free to star  tho would like to discuss newsreal... .
Nov 30 18:37:37 <annah>	but i wanna be geeked up too ;)
Nov 30 18:37:58 <annah>	yeh i meant i wanna talk about newsreal at miniconf, in no rush otherwise
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Nov 30 18:39:22 <claremarie>	are we any closer to sorting out travel for a manila person?
Nov 30 18:39:54 *	shayne dunno. Its gunna be expensive.
Nov 30 18:39:58 <pabs>	i gotta go for a sec, whingers wanna use the phone
Nov 30 18:40:05 <pabs>	sos will cover most
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[031130 224104] <shayne> hey al.
[031130 224107] <alboydx> ok
[031130 224109] <alboydx> ]yo
[031130 224116] * shayne sets mode: +oo alboydx annah
[031130 224133] <alboydx> whats the story?
[031130 224156] <annah> we could organise a gig at miniconf time to help fund it
[031130 224159] <shayne> erm. just talking over conference. fairly unfocusedly perhaps.
[031130 224220] <shayne> Can someone explain to me just what the deal is with the newsreel?
[031130 224257] <alboydx> conf whens it planned fer?
[031130 224306] <annah> sure, tho should i wait til after?
[031130 224324] <annah> theres a page up on the site, link on the frontpage to newsreel
[031130 224327] <annah> no redirect as yet
[031130 224337] <annah> that has a blurb about it
[031130 224350] <shayne> might have to start lookin at getting some perth video. 
[031130 224401] <shayne> alas we got no vid cam , and our stills cam just got stolen :(
[031130 224406] <annah> fuckyeh!!!!!
[031130 224411] <annah> that'd be so awesome
[031130 224422] <annah> oh, thats not so awesome :(
[031130 224428] <alboydx> when/wheres conf planned for?
[031130 224452] <annah> p'raps good to put the word out for other contributors in the meantime 
[031130 224501] <annah> sorry, still off topic
[031130 224514] <shayne> ok. 
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[031130 224716] <claremarie> melbourne, in july?
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Nov 30 18:47:49 <pabs>	hey all
Nov 30 18:47:55 <pabs>	I miss much?
Nov 30 18:48:08 <alboydx>	imc oceania conference yeah?
Nov 30 18:48:45 <claremarie>	alboydx: yes     pabs: no
Nov 30 18:48:51 <alboydx>	ok
Nov 30 18:49:09 <alboydx>	what else is on agenda?
Nov 30 18:49:34 *	zl2tod opens an eye
Nov 30 18:49:45 <zl2tod>	morning everyone
Nov 30 18:49:48 <claremarie>	hello there z12tod
Nov 30 18:50:36 <alboydx>	hi!
Nov 30 18:50:44 <annah>	well and has said he'd help orgainise a miniconf
Nov 30 18:50:51 <annah>	hello z12tod
Nov 30 18:50:58 <annah>	and i've said i will
Nov 30 18:51:08 <annah>	thats two folks on the ground.....
Nov 30 18:51:23 <annah>	probably could get another couple..?
Nov 30 18:51:28 <alboydx>	i'm keen too. but from perth.
Nov 30 18:51:37 <pabs>	alboydx: video distro, erver stuff, flotila, high noon, darwin, jakarta
Nov 30 18:51:40 <annah>	mmm, mebbe we could get a wiki up for organising?
Nov 30 18:51:53 <pabs>	yup, maybe use docs.indymedia.org?
Nov 30 18:52:01 <annah>	yeh good idea
Nov 30 18:52:01 <alboydx>	[thanx pabs]
Nov 30 18:52:24 <pabs>	http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceania
Nov 30 18:52:30 <annah>	is someone up for making a list of aims and objectives for the conference?
Nov 30 18:52:31 <pabs>	the todo list atm
Nov 30 18:52:40 <claremarie>	i can't stay for too much longer, alas
Nov 30 18:52:57 <pabs>	to be there atm only annah
Nov 30 18:52:59 <pabs>	:(
Nov 30 18:53:07 <shayne>	Lets try and get thru this agenda then.
Nov 30 18:53:09 <pabs>	we'll post a summary and log clare
Nov 30 18:53:18 <claremarie>	cool
Nov 30 18:53:20 <alboydx>	me too - kid/dinner action
Nov 30 18:53:27 <pabs>	ok, adz wanted to be here for vid stuff
Nov 30 18:53:37 <pabs>	need andy for server stuff
Nov 30 18:53:49 <annah>	we're meeting irl in brizzy next week
Nov 30 18:53:54 <annah>	so adz n i can talk then
Nov 30 18:53:59 <pabs>	ok
Nov 30 18:54:05 <claremarie>	whats to be discussed re: darwin and jakarta
Nov 30 18:54:09 <pabs>	alboydx: can we get reportback on darwin?
Nov 30 18:54:23 <pabs>	anything othere than your email?
Nov 30 18:54:42 <alboydx>	na
Nov 30 18:54:49 <alboydx>	still waitin for ella
Nov 30 18:55:04 <pabs>	hasn't she said what happened at the meeting?
Nov 30 18:55:06 <alboydx>	she's going down to alice on way to adelaide soon
Nov 30 18:55:17 <alboydx>	will catch up with geeks
Nov 30 18:55:26 <alboydx>	b4 xmas she says
Nov 30 18:55:27 <pabs>	ah, geeks r in alice
Nov 30 18:55:50 <claremarie>	confused, this is about flotilla?
Nov 30 18:56:00 <alboydx>	darwin meeting - just that a few people turned up and she was impressed.
Nov 30 18:56:01 <alboydx>	no DARWIN
Nov 30 18:56:01 <pabs>	darwin imc
Nov 30 18:56:16 <claremarie>	ah ok, cool
Nov 30 18:56:21 <pabs>	cool, k what about jarkarta then?
Nov 30 18:56:49 <alboydx>	darwin/nt will happen - just may take some time. u knoe what those topenders r like!
Nov 30 18:57:09 <pabs>	lol
Nov 30 18:57:12 <shayne>	a few people is good. sometimes a small posse' is easier to coordinate toget the beginings of an IMC than a big ass mess of trots and wannabe's
Nov 30 18:57:42 <shayne>	and we can help em for tech. Hell. philipines aint got no techs. they got perth :)
Nov 30 18:57:48 <alboydx>	yeah she did mention socialist probs in darwin.
Nov 30 18:58:03 <shayne>	(and now a non braindamaged colour scheme)
Nov 30 18:58:36 <shayne>	Why don't we set em up a site to start em off with and let em use the initiative to fill it. Thats pretty much how perth started.
Nov 30 18:58:39 <alboydx>	yeah shayne - i have offered the perth-style. just wanted to see if she can sort it from NT
Nov 30 18:59:10 <alboydx>	there is some very hardcore geeks in alice
Nov 30 18:59:19 <shayne>	yah. Occailts a complete winner if they find activismo too hard.
Nov 30 18:59:21 <alboydx>	ben praccus
Nov 30 18:59:31 <claremarie>	i might run away into sleep land, sorry for a short presence
Nov 30 18:59:34 <annah>	yeh praccus
Nov 30 18:59:42 <claremarie>	is there anythign i can do re: conference?
Nov 30 18:59:42 <alboydx>	he rocks!
Nov 30 18:59:43 <annah>	but hes sorta in alice no?
Nov 30 18:59:52 <shayne>	And threaten to light them on fire if they even think o using active.
Nov 30 18:59:57 <pabs>	claremarie: save some bux!
Nov 30 18:59:57 <alboydx>	alice yes annah!
Nov 30 19:00:03 <claremarie>	hah
Nov 30 19:00:11 <claremarie>	yeah, i will work on that
Nov 30 19:00:14 <claremarie>	:)
Nov 30 19:00:18 <pabs>	also think about fundraiser for jong, you's
Nov 30 19:00:43 <claremarie>	ok
Nov 30 19:00:44 <shayne>	yah
Nov 30 19:01:10 <claremarie>	i'll start up some conversations bout that over here
Nov 30 19:01:14 <pabs>	if we get our first one off the ground we should do another for that
Nov 30 19:01:19 <annah>	p'raps think of anything you'd wanna have at the conference, clairemarie
Nov 30 19:01:24 <shayne>	The only thing tho, is I cant help thinkin that 2-3k for a ticket would be better spent on sending em a bunch of putas and renting em a space for a coupla years.
Nov 30 19:01:34 <annah>	and send em to list or to docs.indymedia
Nov 30 19:01:40 <claremarie>	ok :)
Nov 30 19:01:47 <pabs>	that'll mostly be sos bucks shayne
Nov 30 19:02:03 <pabs>	its about 3200
Nov 30 19:02:07 <pabs>	i think
Nov 30 19:02:21 <annah>	an nz-oz flight??
Nov 30 19:02:22 <annah>	surely not
Nov 30 19:02:28 <pabs>	no manila-melb
Nov 30 19:02:29 <claremarie>	thats manila-oz
Nov 30 19:02:32 <shayne>	that'd be enuff to actually pay waged folk for a year in manila bux!!!
Nov 30 19:02:32 <annah>	oh yeh
Nov 30 19:02:39 <alboydx>	more like $500
Nov 30 19:02:42 <annah>	mmmmmmmm...
Nov 30 19:02:54 <pabs>	alboydx: that was cathay pacific
Nov 30 19:02:56 <alboydx>	[oh woops]
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Nov 30 19:03:15 <pabs>	hi halo
Nov 30 19:03:26 <claremarie>	hey halo
Nov 30 19:03:39 <pabs>	meeting in progress btw halo
Nov 30 19:03:51 <halo>	oh crap i forgot..
Nov 30 19:04:06 <claremarie>	well you are welcome to stay.....
Nov 30 19:04:15 <halo>	i would like to :)
Nov 30 19:05:05 <shayne>	Do we have any syd kids here btw?
Nov 30 19:05:11 <pabs>	nop
Nov 30 19:05:15 <shayne>	hmm.
Nov 30 19:05:15 <pabs>	no andy :(
Nov 30 19:05:17 <claremarie>	um ok, so fundraising and workshops etc - i can start to work on that this week
Nov 30 19:05:28 ChanServ claremarie Nov 30 19:05:30 <pabs>	cool, thks clare
Nov 30 19:05:43 <claremarie>	have a good rest of meeting :)
Nov 30 19:05:56 <pabs>	will do, cya
Nov 30 19:06:10 <claremarie>	see ya 
Nov 30 19:06:27 <annah>	cay
Nov 30 19:06:29 <annah>	cya
Nov 30 19:08:16 <alboydx>	soooo....
Nov 30 19:08:42 <pabs>	where are we?
Nov 30 19:09:16 <pabs>	hmm, jakarta?
Nov 30 19:10:56 <pabs>	so, and recommended we contact them if possible
Nov 30 19:10:57 <shayne>	dead as a doornail.
Nov 30 19:11:22 <pabs>	or propose to process for removal from dns, cities list
Nov 30 19:11:37 <shayne>	just lookin at e-list to see if *any* action is there.
Nov 30 19:11:37 <pabs>	or dns to an it's dead page
Nov 30 19:11:55 <pabs>	not since last year i think
Nov 30 19:12:02 <shayne>	also we should really try and find a contact from old collective (if it ever existed outside the fantasies of aust activists)
Nov 30 19:12:11 <alboydx>	[sorry guys - i gotta split. just briefly on darwin: they should be a bit more organised over the next few weeks. i'll give ella a call this week, and reprort back to list]
Nov 30 19:12:21 <pabs>	cool, thanks al
Nov 30 19:12:23 <alboydx>	seeyas
Nov 30 19:12:23 <pabs>	cya
Nov 30 19:12:35 <shayne>	whoa.
Nov 30 19:12:37 <shayne>	halt.
Nov 30 19:12:38 <alboydx>	oh Flotillas 
Nov 30 19:12:44 <shayne>	theres activities on the lists.
Nov 30 19:12:45 <alboydx>	back in five
Nov 30 19:12:51 <pabs>	shayne: where?
Nov 30 19:13:46 <shayne>	http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-jakarta/
Nov 30 19:13:56 <pabs>	oooo, I see it
Nov 30 19:14:10 <pabs>	http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-jakarta/2003-November/000067.html
Nov 30 19:14:28 <shayne>	ok. theres some posts in jan. nothing. then a post in nov.
Nov 30 19:14:32 <pabs>	hmm anyone speak the lang?
Nov 30 19:14:55 <pabs>	several shayne
Nov 30 19:15:06 <shayne>	perhaps we should contact nov poster and ask em to contact oceania collective. basically say we are gunna waste jakarta , but if he objects we'll stop.
Nov 30 19:15:26 <pabs>	don't say that
Nov 30 19:15:31 <pabs>	offer help
Nov 30 19:15:36 <pabs>	imo
Nov 30 19:15:54 <pabs>	get em on the list if poss
Nov 30 19:16:02 <shayne>	well if its only one person, then its not a collective :(
Nov 30 19:16:09 <pabs>	[en] If the supporters from down under want to help the Jakarta IMC
Nov 30 19:16:09 <pabs>	get organised again, then maybe now is a good time? shakun would like
Nov 30 19:16:09 <pabs>	to get it going again...
Nov 30 19:16:09 <pabs>	
Nov 30 19:16:09 <pabs>	boud
Nov 30 19:16:15 <shayne>	That post might even just be "hay guys! Can I join collective?"
Nov 30 19:16:49 <shayne>	The problem is, newswire only sites don't last, cos they really leave the local collective little to do except censor shit.
Nov 30 19:16:54 <pabs>	that url I mentioned was titled "reorganising"
Nov 30 19:17:06 <shayne>	take adelaide for example. I think thats pretty sick/dead also.
Nov 30 19:17:12 <shayne>	(might be wrong)
Nov 30 19:17:22 >shayne<	plugger in #perth
Nov 30 19:17:40 <shayne>	tho I note the locals DO use it in adelaide.
Nov 30 19:18:14 <pabs>	yeha, maybe geeks are needed
Nov 30 19:18:55 <shayne>	well yeah. talking to that dude in adelaide at SoS, it was a tech problem with f*king active that stopped a front page happening.
Nov 30 19:19:05 <pabs>	hehe
Nov 30 19:19:15 <pabs>	they are hosted on octapod i think
Nov 30 19:19:25 <annah>	i don't get the active comments, enlighten me?
Nov 30 19:19:55 <pabs>	active is the software cat geeks wrote for the start of indymedia
Nov 30 19:20:03 <annah>	yeh... and
Nov 30 19:20:21 <pabs>	the first post to global 4 years ago was by maffew (catgeek)
Nov 30 19:20:25 <shayne>	its a nightmare to tweak.
Nov 30 19:20:26 <annah>	i just get the picture yr slagging something off? but could be my misinterpretation
Nov 30 19:20:31 <pabs>	also it's kinda obsolete now
Nov 30 19:20:34 <shayne>	its really really really hard to maintain.
Nov 30 19:20:42 <annah>	oh, ok
Nov 30 19:20:46 <pabs>	mixture of languages
Nov 30 19:20:53 <pabs>	nassty stuff imo
Nov 30 19:21:03 <shayne>	and cookoo design principles.
Nov 30 19:21:07 <alboydx>	[praccus too!]
Nov 30 19:21:07 <annah>	right... does that include the calenders?
Nov 30 19:21:08 <shayne>	yes.
Nov 30 19:21:23 <pabs>	anyway, shouldn't slag of aus software
Nov 30 19:21:27 alboydx annah Nov 30 19:21:29 <annah>	oh thats a shame, cos its a good thing, the calendars
Nov 30 19:21:30 <pabs>	annah: yup
Nov 30 19:21:42 <pabs>	other software has cals too
Nov 30 19:21:52 <annah>	but indymedia?
Nov 30 19:22:14 <pabs>	annah: pls clarify
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Nov 30 19:22:22 <shayne>	yah. all the codebases have calendars. many better uns.
Nov 30 19:22:31 <annah>	right, cool
Nov 30 19:22:33 <pabs>	hi oat
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Nov 30 19:22:41 <oat>	hi
Nov 30 19:22:42 <annah>	sorry, i thought the sydney site was active calendar
Nov 30 19:22:47 <pabs>	or not oat
Nov 30 19:22:53 <pabs>	hi oat
Nov 30 19:22:58 <oat>	hi pabs
Nov 30 19:23:19 <oat>	I'm only going to be here for a short while then I'm going to do a flier run for my business
Nov 30 19:23:21 <pabs>	active is used for active.org.au and sydney imc
Nov 30 19:23:27 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 19:23:29 <shayne>	well yeah. infact perth uses active calendar, cos lazy asses our way havent cottoned onto easier perth cal.
Nov 30 19:23:36 <annah>	right-o, thanx for clearing that up
Nov 30 19:23:51 <oat>	(:
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Nov 30 19:24:02 <pabs>	sydney imc also needs to be moved off the global imc server soon
Nov 30 19:24:21 <shayne>	oh yeah. shit.
Nov 30 19:24:22 <pabs>	wonder if andy has thought about that/needs help
Nov 30 19:24:33 <pabs>	like before tomorrow
Nov 30 19:24:38 <oat>	so it indy media a division of the fourth international?
Nov 30 19:24:46 <pabs>	lol
Nov 30 19:24:52 <shayne>	Hmm. wonder what the stats are for syd. I'd love to offer perth, but I fear our usage is getting little high.
Nov 30 19:24:54 <pabs>	no, see indymedia.org
Nov 30 19:24:58 <oat>	ok
Nov 30 19:25:00 <oat>	thanks
Nov 30 19:25:07 *	shayne not no stinkin commie.
Nov 30 19:25:08 <pabs>	and docs.indymedia.org
Nov 30 19:25:31 <oat>	the articles struck me a little leftish
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Nov 30 19:25:44 <pabs>	oh, they are
Nov 30 19:25:55 <oat>	ok
Nov 30 19:26:09 <pabs>	basicall it's all about open publishing
Nov 30 19:26:21 <pabs>	enabling people to tell their stories
Nov 30 19:26:28 <shayne>	Hey can we take this conv off chanel so we can get back to meeting.
Nov 30 19:26:30 <pabs>	something the corporate media doesn't do
Nov 30 19:26:37 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 19:26:41 <oat>	that's right
Nov 30 19:26:54 <alboydx>	brb
Nov 30 19:27:02 <pabs>	where were we?
Nov 30 19:27:03 <shayne>	So we got this so far. 
Nov 30 19:27:07 <shayne>	stuffs being done on meet ->
Nov 30 19:27:16 <shayne>	more investigation needed for jakarta ->
Nov 30 19:27:30 <shayne>	darwin maayybbbe just needs site set up ->
Nov 30 19:27:48 <shayne>	and we are onto newsreel ?!
Nov 30 19:28:05 <pabs>	waiting for adz
Nov 30 19:28:33 <annah>	getting late huh, shall we just do it
Nov 30 19:28:43 <pabs>	ok then
Nov 30 19:28:50 <annah>	tho brisbane being the next collective to take it on
Nov 30 19:28:58 <annah>	it might be a good idea 2 wait
Nov 30 19:29:02 <shayne>	Have we got #1 done yet?
Nov 30 19:29:04 <pabs>	hmm
Nov 30 19:29:04 <annah>	anything else left?
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Nov 30 19:29:27 <pabs>	flotilla, high noon too
Nov 30 19:29:31 <pabs>	oooh, here he is
Nov 30 19:29:36 <shayne>	Hey side issue. Anyone wanna due a 'oceania' pretty button to throw on the indy and active sites?
Nov 30 19:29:37 <adz>	hello all, again
Nov 30 19:29:37 <pabs>	ok, on to video
Nov 30 19:29:56 <annah>	just one thing
Nov 30 19:29:57 <adz>	how is the first edition goin annah? 
Nov 30 19:30:05 <annah>	i noticed not all sites have oceania links 
Nov 30 19:30:21 <annah>	mebbe theres one that doesn't
Nov 30 19:30:27 <annah>	sorry not very helpful
Nov 30 19:30:30 <pabs>	yeah, they are lazy/haven't updated cities.inc
Nov 30 19:30:34 <pabs>	which ones?
Nov 30 19:30:36 <annah>	onto video
Nov 30 19:30:52 <annah>	shit can't remember, but its worth checking i think
Nov 30 19:31:03 <pabs>	k, will have a look later
Nov 30 19:31:05 <annah>	oceania indymedia newsreal
Nov 30 19:31:09 <annah>	things to discuss:
Nov 30 19:31:24 <annah>	1. launch at SOOB
Nov 30 19:31:35 <annah>	on that- i think we'll have it ready in time to launch 
Nov 30 19:31:44 <annah>	on saturday night 6pm during the festival
Nov 30 19:31:55 <annah>	tim is putting together some printed cardboard sleeves
Nov 30 19:32:00 <annah>	and some labels
Nov 30 19:32:08 <pabs>	soob?
Nov 30 19:32:12 <annah>	he's also finishing compiling
Nov 30 19:32:23 <annah>	SOOB= straightoutofbrisbane
Nov 30 19:32:31 <pabs>	ok, k
Nov 30 19:32:46 <annah>	so he'll be done by tomorrow
Nov 30 19:32:49 <annah>	then i'll encode it
Nov 30 19:32:55 <annah>	as mpeg1 to make a vcd
Nov 30 19:32:59 <annah>	and for the web
Nov 30 19:33:14 <annah>	as i haven't much time, and doing another panel plus a gig at SOOb 
Nov 30 19:33:18 <annah>	before the launch
Nov 30 19:33:29 <annah>	i'll just encode it as one format for the web
Nov 30 19:33:35 <pabs>	hmm, is web distro sorted?
Nov 30 19:33:50 <annah>	well, i'll try archive.org
Nov 30 19:33:51 <annah>	first
Nov 30 19:33:57 <shayne>	Can we get copys sent down to local imc's . It'd be handy to screen em.
Nov 30 19:33:59 <pabs>	or do we need a fat.au server
Nov 30 19:33:59 <annah>	i checked it out, should be fine
Nov 30 19:34:10 <annah>	absolutely shayne
Nov 30 19:34:11 <shayne>	also can we definately mostly and vitally NOT do it as real media format.
Nov 30 19:34:21 <annah>	we've got 150 bux 
Nov 30 19:34:26 <annah>	that tim got from a uni
Nov 30 19:34:34 <annah>	for his resolution screenings tapes
Nov 30 19:34:38 <annah>	and he's fed that back into this
Nov 30 19:34:43 <shayne>	It sucks having to smash my bandwidth up everytime I want to watch a vid. It'd be better to download it once even at higher bandwidth.
Nov 30 19:34:48 <annah>	if we can sell a few, we'll print more
Nov 30 19:34:59 <annah>	yes shayne
Nov 30 19:35:04 <annah>	it'll be download
Nov 30 19:35:07 <annah>	video on demand
Nov 30 19:35:08 <shayne>	cool
Nov 30 19:35:25 <adz>	how long is it?
Nov 30 19:35:30 <annah>	fat.au yes!!
Nov 30 19:35:36 <annah>	hopefully that'll come soon
Nov 30 19:35:45 <annah>	but we'll use workarounds, bits n pieces til then
Nov 30 19:35:56 <annah>	but ideas wanted
Nov 30 19:36:00 <annah>	its 70mins adz
Nov 30 19:36:10 <annah>	thats how much video you can fit on a vcd
Nov 30 19:36:20 <annah>	the topics are
Nov 30 19:36:25 <annah>	pinegap
Nov 30 19:36:32 <annah>	beverley uranium mine incident
Nov 30 19:36:36 <annah>	forest piece victoria
Nov 30 19:36:43 <annah>	forest piece overview
Nov 30 19:36:49 <annah>	raising west papua
Nov 30 19:36:51 <pabs>	hmm, rran's slideshow was pretty cool at the tomato festival
Nov 30 19:36:53 <annah>	papua update
Nov 30 19:37:03 <pabs>	refugee rights stuff
Nov 30 19:37:12 <pabs>	baxter, port headland
Nov 30 19:37:17 <annah>	yes we have woomera and baxter
Nov 30 19:37:21 <pabs>	oops
Nov 30 19:37:21 <annah>	and thats it
Nov 30 19:37:28 <pabs>	hmm
Nov 30 19:37:38 <annah>	sure theres more to cover, but thats a pretty good lot i reckon
Nov 30 19:37:41 <annah>	we're pretty happy with it
Nov 30 19:37:51 <annah>	considering we've thrown it together
Nov 30 19:37:51 <pabs>	might see what we can rustle up from anti-war video peeps
Nov 30 19:37:53 <annah>	ultra quick
Nov 30 19:38:02 <annah>	oh shit! yeh we got that too
Nov 30 19:38:05 <annah>	:)
Nov 30 19:38:12 <pabs>	hmm super8 to digital, howto?
Nov 30 19:38:15 <annah>	 a piece i made about global protests, cut up with a melbourne one
Nov 30 19:38:31 <annah>	film yr wall when you project it, with a miniDV camera
Nov 30 19:38:44 <pabs>	if we had one
Nov 30 19:38:50 <pabs>	maybe we can borrow
Nov 30 19:38:57 <annah>	anyhows, this edition has been finalised
Nov 30 19:39:02 <annah>	hope u can pabs!
Nov 30 19:39:06 <pabs>	ok, for future ones anyway
Nov 30 19:39:27 <annah>	*definately*
Nov 30 19:39:48 <annah>	so adz, u still on here?
Nov 30 19:40:02 <annah>	cos if i don't get time to encode it here, i could do it up in briz?
Nov 30 19:40:07 <annah>	i can bring all my soft
Nov 30 19:40:12 <annah>	could use the SOOB office
Nov 30 19:40:18 <annah>	sure louise wouldn't mind
Nov 30 19:40:23 <adz>	yep... 
Nov 30 19:40:25 <annah>	fat connection
Nov 30 19:41:43 <annah>	in any case be good to meet up at the "launch"
Nov 30 19:41:43 <annah>	and talk about it all
Nov 30 19:41:43 <annah>	have a proper meeting about formats
Nov 30 19:41:43 <adz>	did u send louise details of the screening?
Nov 30 19:41:43 <annah>	style
Nov 30 19:41:43 <annah>	yup, on tuesday
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Nov 30 19:41:43 <annah>	i was waiting for confirmation from tim first
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Nov 30 19:41:46 <annah>	but lou emailed me on thurs and hadn't read her email
Nov 30 19:41:58 <annah>	so i'm not sure which programs and promo it'll be in
Nov 30 19:42:09 <annah>	i was thinking of photocopying a few flyers up there and handing em out
Nov 30 19:42:15 <shayne>	missed a bunch = computer crash.
Nov 30 19:42:28 <annah>	but if you could do some promo thru your networks...
Nov 30 19:42:46 <pabs>	i sent you all the stuff shayne
Nov 30 19:42:52 <adz>	it's not on the on the web prog yet, yeah we can put flyers all round the festival
[031130 234244] <annah> mmm.. do u know who's doing the site?
[031130 234254] <annah> but i can ask louise to get it put in
[031130 234352] <annah> when do you think you'll put the briz edition together?
[031130 234358] <adz> send us the desc and i'll spam relevant bris lists, 
[031130 234359] <alboydx> talked about Flotilla yet?
[031130 234411] <annah> k cool
[031130 234419] <annah> nah newsreal at the mo
[031130 234427] <alboydx> k brb
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Nov 30 19:45:22 <annah>	so is perth up for doing one sometime next year, a newsreal?
Nov 30 19:45:31 <alboydx>	for sure annah
Nov 30 19:45:35 <alboydx>	brb
Nov 30 19:45:35 <annah>	is it poss to hook up with some vid producers?
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Nov 30 19:45:37 <annah>	cool!
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Nov 30 19:45:54 <adz>	jan feb, would want the second edition to have a longer gestation period and source stuff from png etc as well as doing some investigative journalism pieces about big issues... 
Nov 30 19:46:02 <annah>	definately
Nov 30 19:46:05 <annah>	thats great
Nov 30 19:46:16 <annah>	we just wanted to get the project off the ground with this one
Nov 30 19:46:22 <annah>	and use the momentum that was about
Nov 30 19:46:30 <annah>	good to try n ride the wave
Nov 30 19:46:32 adz alboydx annah Nov 30 19:46:34 <pabs>	stupid dialup, possibly annah
Nov 30 19:46:37 <adz>	guess would like a submission process a la global newsreal in the future... 
Nov 30 19:46:45 <annah>	also, lots of compiling work had been done by tim already
Nov 30 19:46:57 <adz>	yeah defintetly needed to be done.
Nov 30 19:47:12 <annah>	thats cool yeh
Nov 30 19:47:20 <annah>	tho global has very strict rules
Nov 30 19:47:26 <annah>	that i think wouldn't be helpful here
Nov 30 19:47:31 <annah>	but submissions yes
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Nov 30 19:47:44 <annah>	*regional* submisisions
Nov 30 19:48:04 <halo>	there's a big camp up at waihopi = similar to pine gap
Nov 30 19:48:08 <halo>	in jan
Nov 30 19:48:09 <halo>	in nz
Nov 30 19:48:10 <adz>	it's great, the the depth of it is really cool, it's like a summary of stuff happening over last couple of years.... ;) 
Nov 30 19:48:23 <halo>	which could be good followup to pinegap stuff
Nov 30 19:48:28 <annah>	yeh thanx adz :)
Nov 30 19:48:45 <annah>	i guess we thought we'd better get in some of the older material on the 1st one
Nov 30 19:48:59 <annah>	also v. good to have papua in it i think
Nov 30 19:49:00 *	shayne howling with laughter on the peace vigil vs trots vid on active tv site.
Nov 30 19:49:02 <pabs>	shayne: we should see what leslie has up her sleve
Nov 30 19:49:02 <adz>	not a american militairy base in nz? surely not i thought u guys kicked em out uyears ago ;) 
Nov 30 19:49:16 <zl2tod>	heh - asif
Nov 30 19:49:41 <annah>	so theres a few things to think about re. newsreal
Nov 30 19:49:46 <halo>	there's at least one official one
Nov 30 19:49:46 <annah>	like ongoing funding
Nov 30 19:50:02 <annah>	 tho that can also always be sorted at a local level
Nov 30 19:50:07 <halo>	(hi z12tod!)
Nov 30 19:50:32 <shayne>	oh wow pabs. we so gotta play this vid at video screening. Its a fucken howler.
Nov 30 19:50:34 <annah>	just sent u the blurb on email adam
Nov 30 19:50:59 <adz>	an mpeg4 or 3ivx version would be cool for online viewing though, will be a quater of the size... same quality.. 
Nov 30 19:51:21 <pabs>	shayne: didja just get a new one?
Nov 30 19:51:27 <annah>	yup
Nov 30 19:51:36 <annah>	sorenson3, divx, vp3 all comparable
Nov 30 19:52:03 <shayne>	?
Nov 30 19:52:12 <annah>	to decide on one format to particularly support would be cool
Nov 30 19:52:18 >shayne<	<shayne> oh wow pabs. we so gotta play this vid at video screening. Its a fucken howler.
Nov 30 19:52:24 <annah>	tho offering multiple choices is cool also
Nov 30 19:52:44 <annah>	we need to include info on howto install codecs
Nov 30 19:52:46 <adz>	no but we won't get into it here ;) don't think sorenson works for linux but is wayyy better... 
Nov 30 19:53:14 <annah>	not what i heard
Nov 30 19:53:24 <annah>	divx and vp3 are very very good too
Nov 30 19:53:35 <pabs>	depends if yuo use mplayer
Nov 30 19:53:41 <adz>	u just have to 'download' the 600 dollar 'developer' version or whatever... 
Nov 30 19:53:52 <annah>	that can be arranged ;)
Nov 30 19:53:53 <pabs>	or you mean encoding
Nov 30 19:54:08 <adz>	no playing, sorenson 3 is with mplayer?? 
Nov 30 19:54:15 <pabs>	think so
Nov 30 19:54:31 <annah>	in fact it has been arrange
Nov 30 19:54:32 <alboydx>	[dam geeks]
Nov 30 19:54:33 <annah>	d
Nov 30 19:54:34 <pabs>	either dlls under linux or native, not sure
Nov 30 19:54:54 <pabs>	alboydx: :P
Nov 30 19:54:57 <annah>	hey shayne- whats the link to the video thats wetting yr pants?
Nov 30 19:55:19 <pabs>	don't tel em - realmedia suzors
Nov 30 19:55:20 <annah>	i could do with a laff
Nov 30 19:55:29 <shayne>	http://accessnews.skatv.org.au/site/realvideos/anarkovssocialistmovie.ram
Nov 30 19:55:41 <zl2tod>	eschew proprietary formats
Nov 30 19:55:43 <annah>	oh accessnews site
Nov 30 19:55:44 <alboydx>	i was trying to watch that today!
Nov 30 19:55:47 <shayne>	yeah yeah.
Nov 30 19:55:53 <alboydx>	didnt work for me
Nov 30 19:56:24 <shayne>	hmm. maybe I gotta punk it thru tmpegenc and paste it back up as a .mov or sumfin'
Nov 30 19:56:53 <alboydx>	i can hear it not see it.
Nov 30 19:57:07 <halo>	yer unhappy link alright
Nov 30 19:57:09 <alboydx>	my software must be fucked
Nov 30 19:57:18 <shayne>	werks for me.
Nov 30 19:57:21 <annah>	i got it fine
Nov 30 19:57:22 <zl2tod>	can't watch it - I deleted all that rm stuff and my computer uptime doubled
Nov 30 19:57:25 <pabs>	no, realmedia is fucked in general alboydx
Nov 30 19:57:27 <halo>	nah not working for me either
Nov 30 19:57:54 <alboydx>	no work in winamp or mplay
Nov 30 19:57:55 <annah>	ha! internet video
Nov 30 19:58:00 <shayne>	ah thats right. one cant save realmedia to hard drive. :(
Nov 30 19:58:06 <annah>	yes one can
Nov 30 19:58:09 *	pabs is on linux, no rm for me
Nov 30 19:58:23 <pabs>	shayne: there is software to do it
Nov 30 19:58:34 <pabs>	see ducmonster:/root
Nov 30 19:58:36 <annah>	if one wanted to
Nov 30 19:58:50 <annah>	re-encoding real will only end in crapness
Nov 30 19:59:03 <annah>	we do know accessnews, and we know their archive
Nov 30 19:59:10 <zl2tod>	grab the properties of the stream and try saving that url to disk
Nov 30 19:59:15 *	halo must remember to install linux one day soon
Nov 30 19:59:37 <annah>	i could go get them sorted with some better versions of their video online...... should do
Nov 30 19:59:44 <alboydx>	fuck it all
Nov 30 19:59:47 <annah>	easiest way
Nov 30 19:59:59 <alboydx>	y does the net have to be so difficult!
Nov 30 20:00:00 <annah>	is that .ram files are often stored next to the .rm files on the server
Nov 30 20:00:10 <annah>	so u make up an html page with the link to .rm file
Nov 30 20:00:12 <annah>	same name
Nov 30 20:00:23 <annah>	 and then right click to save
Nov 30 20:00:25 <annah>	target
Nov 30 20:00:27 <pabs>	http://www.accessnews.skatv.org.au/site/realvideos/anarkovssocialistmovie.rm
Nov 30 20:00:31 <annah>	clever peeps don't do this
Nov 30 20:00:39 <annah>	i mean, they don't put their
Nov 30 20:00:45 <annah>	 ram files next to their rms
Nov 30 20:00:55 <annah>	but whatever!
Nov 30 20:00:59 <pabs>	oooh, wget heh, heh, heh
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Nov 30 20:01:35 <annah>	point is
Nov 30 20:01:41 <annah>	 and its been stated before
Nov 30 20:01:43 <pabs>	hey and
Nov 30 20:01:45 <annah>	REALMEDIA SUX ASS
Nov 30 20:01:52 <and>	hello
Nov 30 20:01:55 <pabs>	by many
Nov 30 20:02:01 <annah>	um, hello and!
Nov 30 20:02:04 <adz>	hey and, how's europe treating ya?
Nov 30 20:02:19 <and>	keep going. can anyone send me the log of what has happned so far?
Nov 30 20:02:35 <adz>	yeah where is it? ;) 
Nov 30 20:02:47 <pabs>	and: shayne will post to wiki
Nov 30 20:03:04 <annah>	re. newsreal- i wish andy was here to discuss cd-distro
Nov 30 20:03:11 <pabs>	me too
Nov 30 20:03:17 <annah>	he said he might be up for it on a national basis
Nov 30 20:03:21 <pabs>	for other stuff too
Nov 30 20:03:21 <and>	ok, just be good to know now what you have all talked about already without interrupting
Nov 30 20:03:24 <annah>	poss for newsreal
Nov 30 20:03:32 <annah>	yup, even bettaa
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Nov 30 20:04:20 <annah>	what your thoughts on this adz?
Nov 30 20:04:34 <annah>	even just today
Nov 30 20:04:43 <annah>	somebody was discussing swapping tapes with accessnews
Nov 30 20:04:54 <annah>	they wanted miniDV
Nov 30 20:04:58 <pabs>	i'll update ya and
Nov 30 20:05:09 <annah>	so it was said- can't really, too expensive..
Nov 30 20:05:17 <annah>	cd=cheap format, cheap post.
Nov 30 20:05:55 <annah>	having a ciggie
Nov 30 20:05:59 <annah>	back in a mo
Nov 30 20:06:11 *	shayne fiddlesticks. cant open .rm's in tmpegenc
Nov 30 20:06:37 <halo>	brb too
Nov 30 20:07:07 ---	alboydx is now known as alxaway
Nov 30 20:07:16 <shayne>	10 -12min break then.
Nov 30 20:08:31 <and>	ok, in the mean time someone give me the lowdown of what thoughts were for oceania meet?
Nov 30 20:08:45 <and>	pabs is giving me some deets
Nov 30 20:09:38 <and>	can i get a few intros too, some of you i don't know. am andrew from melb indy
Nov 30 20:10:39 <pabs>	alxaway: is al boyd from perth imc
Nov 30 20:10:50 <shayne>	shayne from perth
Nov 30 20:10:51 <pabs>	he's dealing with darwin stuff
Nov 30 20:10:54 <shayne>	brb
Nov 30 20:11:07 <pabs>	halo & zl2tod are nzers
Nov 30 20:11:22 <pabs>	adz is bris??
Nov 30 20:11:40 <pabs>	chris_ is a local linux user group person
Nov 30 20:11:43 <pabs>	in perth
Nov 30 20:11:44 <halo>	rosie from wellington aotearoa, wanting to be active but not quite yet :P
Nov 30 20:11:45 <alxaway>	allan boyd - perth BRB too
Nov 30 20:11:48 <pabs>	x is from germany
Nov 30 20:12:07 *	zl2tod looks up
Nov 30 20:12:08 <pabs>	just spying for mir coders i expect
Nov 30 20:13:01 <and>	all good
Nov 30 20:13:12 <and>	some of the other nzers have already gone to bed?
Nov 30 20:13:24 <halo>	claremarie has
Nov 30 20:13:36 <halo>	was rhiznom here earlier?
Nov 30 20:13:44 <pabs>	nope, couldn't make it
Nov 30 20:14:01 <pabs>	rhiznom == finn btw
Nov 30 20:14:07 <and>	just quickli reading the logs i am very sure that media circus is not going to happen
Nov 30 20:14:17 <and>	ther has been about 3 emails in the past month
Nov 30 20:14:57 <halo>	logs for this meeting?
Nov 30 20:15:05 *	shayne keepin log.
Nov 30 20:15:08 <halo>	how do i get to them?  (silly halo)
Nov 30 20:15:27 <shayne>	er. I'll post em to list later.
Nov 30 20:15:34 <shayne>	Um. Perhaps to wiki
Nov 30 20:15:45 <pabs>	waay long
Nov 30 20:15:49 <halo>	ok i'll have to find that then  :P
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Nov 30 20:16:16 <thought>	hello.
Nov 30 20:16:24 <Malatesta>	hello?
Nov 30 20:16:26 <pabs>	hullo
Nov 30 20:16:28 <Malatesta>	sorry im late
Nov 30 20:16:31 <shayne>	hey jong.
Nov 30 20:16:33 <pabs>	:)
Nov 30 20:16:35 <Malatesta>	shayne
Nov 30 20:16:36 <thought>	yes.. i'm from manila and i was late.
Nov 30 20:16:45 <and>	me too
Nov 30 20:16:50 <pabs>	me too
Nov 30 20:16:52 <Malatesta>	oath
Nov 30 20:16:53 <thought>	jhong?
Nov 30 20:16:59 <Malatesta>	yeah
Nov 30 20:17:00 <thought>	terry
Nov 30 20:17:06 <and>	who is terry?
Nov 30 20:17:07 <Malatesta>	teri
Nov 30 20:17:09 <and>	:)
Nov 30 20:17:09 ---	shayne gives channel operator status to adz Malatesta pabs
Nov 30 20:17:19 <thought>	yes.from lokal anarcho punk network manila.
Nov 30 20:17:30 *	shayne nods.
Nov 30 20:17:42 <thought>	hey! 
Nov 30 20:17:42 <Malatesta>	kmusta na teri. im sorry i wasnt able to pass by at san diego manila
Nov 30 20:17:48 <thought>	is jhong around?
Nov 30 20:17:55 <Malatesta>	this is jong
Nov 30 20:18:00 <shayne>	^^^ above ya :)
Nov 30 20:18:02 <Malatesta>	malatesta is jong
Nov 30 20:18:12 <thought>	we were almost caught with our yesterdays buy nothing day.
Nov 30 20:18:32 <Malatesta>	yeah teri, we published the BND
Nov 30 20:18:43 <Malatesta>	btw, how's the meeting?
Nov 30 20:18:44 <shayne>	also. anyone know what happened to the other philipines mob? They seem to of fallen off the map again.
Nov 30 20:18:53 <thought>	at sm west yesterday... we're brought at the security officebefore we're chased around the mall.
Nov 30 20:19:22 *	shayne lols
Nov 30 20:19:23 <Malatesta>	there was a mobilaztion a while ago
Nov 30 20:20:09 <pabs>	can either of you manila types read this?  http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-jakarta/2003-November/000067.html
Nov 30 20:20:36 <Malatesta>	:)
Nov 30 20:21:14 <shayne>	pabs:: javanese is not tagalog :)
Nov 30 20:21:19 <alxaway>	hi all - back after nearly vomitting over the MERRY XMAS lights my neighbour has flashing. his whole fucking roof is covered in lights! ahhhhhhhhh.
Nov 30 20:21:25 <alxaway>	sorry.
Nov 30 20:21:41 <pabs>	oops, sorry
Nov 30 20:21:41 ---	alxaway is now known as alboydX
Nov 30 20:21:50 *	pabs = ignoramus
Nov 30 20:22:04 <and>	maybe try emailing that email. 26 og nov
Nov 30 20:22:12 <halo>	you poor thing
Nov 30 20:22:15 <pabs>	well we need to contact boud then
Nov 30 20:22:18 <and>	maybe google it into indonesian
Nov 30 20:22:22 <shayne>	Oh man al: I seriously get into total grinch mode on that shit. one of our neighbors completely strobe lights his house and it flashes thru the window at night giving me a headache.
Nov 30 20:22:24 <pabs>	he seems to speak it
Nov 30 20:22:27 <thought>	jhong... kelangan ng makalipat sa wednesday ... tawagan daw yung no. 930 35 95 julie lopez tonight before 9:30 pm.
Nov 30 20:22:31 <and>	or find a friend that speaks the language
Nov 30 20:22:51 <alboydX>	what language? i am  missing something
Nov 30 20:22:57 <alboydX>	indo?
Nov 30 20:23:01 <shayne>	yah
Nov 30 20:23:08 <thought>	anyone indonesian here?
Nov 30 20:23:09 <and>	praccus and sam we're involved in setting up jakarta indy
Nov 30 20:23:22 <alboydX>	i love praccus
Nov 30 20:23:47 <shayne>	Whats your take and: Is it worth frying jakarta indy , or perhaps trying to re-establish local connections in indo?
Nov 30 20:23:51 <alboydX>	my son had a go at the indo from that jakarta list mail. no go.
Nov 30 20:23:59 <pabs>	thought: nope
Nov 30 20:24:05 <thought>	it was my contact/personal friend ma'ruf whofirst told me about his initiative ion the possible indymedia-jakarta... he's name was ma'ruf or sometimes meggy.
Nov 30 20:24:16 <and>	ok so boud has spoken to them
Nov 30 20:24:24 <and>	is he online at the moment?
Nov 30 20:24:28 <zl2tod>	indomedia ?
Nov 30 20:24:30 <alboydX>	yeah boud's was the lasty post
Nov 30 20:24:41 <shayne>	dont think boud is an irc type.
Nov 30 20:24:54 <pabs>	I've seen him sometimes
Nov 30 20:25:01 <alboydX>	shayne: he was with us thru process.
Nov 30 20:25:06 <shayne>	yah.
Nov 30 20:25:08 <alboydX>	on irc
Nov 30 20:25:18 <and>	cool. so can someone email boud?
Nov 30 20:25:19 <shayne>	he's an email head mostly.
Nov 30 20:25:36 <and>	see if oceania, him and jakarta can start working together?
Nov 30 20:25:45 <and>	i think he is polish?
Nov 30 20:25:49 <shayne>	yup.
Nov 30 20:25:53 <alboydX>	someone gonna mail him?
Nov 30 20:26:06 <alboydX>	ex aussie - now polish
Nov 30 20:26:08 <shayne>	;) sounds like ya just volenteered :)
Nov 30 20:26:12 <alboydX>	me?!!!
Nov 30 20:26:15 <alboydX>	golly
Nov 30 20:26:32 <and>	cool
Nov 30 20:26:35 <alboydX>	ok. i can do that.
Nov 30 20:26:42 <and>	is boud on oceania list?=
Nov 30 20:26:51 <alboydX>	we want him to facilitate jakarta?
Nov 30 20:26:57 <alboydX>	back
Nov 30 20:26:57 <halo>	email list?
Nov 30 20:27:07 <and>	we want him to help us establish more contact
Nov 30 20:27:15 <and>	to see how we can help them
Nov 30 20:27:15 <shayne>	um I remember him tryin to get oceania to open list up for public scrutiny.
Nov 30 20:27:22 <pabs>	yup, think he is, will check
Nov 30 20:27:39 <alboydX>	shayne: can u send that jakarta mail archive again?
Nov 30 20:27:51 <halo>	pabs: is there an oceania email list?
Nov 30 20:28:08 <pabs>	yup...
Nov 30 20:28:10 <shayne>	yes.
Nov 30 20:28:11 <alboydX>	halo - yeah
Nov 30 20:28:26 <pabs>	lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imc-oceania
Nov 30 20:28:27 <alboydX>	i just found it myself after months of looking!
Nov 30 20:28:34 <pabs>	:)
Nov 30 20:28:47 <pabs>	shoulda asked us al
Nov 30 20:28:54 <alboydX>	i did
Nov 30 20:29:01 <and>	just had a look. boud is not on oceania
Nov 30 20:29:20 <halo>	thanks.. found it
Nov 30 20:29:23 <pabs>	bah
Nov 30 20:29:49 <alboydX>	so - can youz gimme a quick rundown on jakarta.imc
Nov 30 20:29:49 <and>	so al be good to ask boud to join oceania perhaps and also some indonesians
Nov 30 20:29:58 <alboydX>	yes ok
Nov 30 20:29:58 <and>	language could be a problem though
Nov 30 20:30:05 <pabs>	alboydX: very much spammed
Nov 30 20:30:11 <and>	but if he speaks the language maybe we can find a way to work together
Nov 30 20:30:21 <pabs>	not much local content even early on
Nov 30 20:30:31 <alboydX>	boud's post was translated
Nov 30 20:30:44 <pabs>	by him presumably
Nov 30 20:30:44 <alboydX>	so where's the spam from, what fl;avour?
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Nov 30 20:30:52 <alboydX>	maybe i should have a look!!
Nov 30 20:30:54 <pabs>	regular old international spam
Nov 30 20:31:06 <pabs>	jakarta.indymedia.org
Nov 30 20:31:08 <and>	jakarta was set up for a protest in bali i think
Nov 30 20:31:16 <and>	about 1 1/2 years ago
Nov 30 20:31:25 <and>	but after that died
Nov 30 20:31:32 <and>	it didn't go through the indy process
Nov 30 20:31:45 <and>	it got rushed cause they wanted to have it up in time for the action
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Nov 30 20:31:59 <alboydX>	shit ay!
Nov 30 20:32:07 <Malatesta>	why is that jakarta.indymedia does not have a feature page?
Nov 30 20:32:09 <and>	and there was this rebellion against the "US beuracrats"
Nov 30 20:32:12 <and>	in process
Nov 30 20:32:16 <alboydX>	ha! "profr"
Nov 30 20:32:19 <pabs>	lol
Nov 30 20:32:22 <and>	which i think was a mistake
Nov 30 20:32:33 <and>	i think it proves that going through the process is needed
Nov 30 20:32:42 <pabs>	definately
Nov 30 20:32:45 <and>	and i think a new collective should go through it
Nov 30 20:32:47 <thought_criminal>	have you seen the jakarta resistance.net site?
Nov 30 20:32:52 <thought_criminal>	anyone here?
Nov 30 20:33:00 <pabs>	we should get octapod to halt publishing in any case
Nov 30 20:33:03 <shayne>	no. but am now :)
Nov 30 20:33:37 <Malatesta>	*trying to comperehend
Nov 30 20:33:45 <shayne>	well. perhaps we can even set em up an active jakarta site, to replace it since there is no collective.
Nov 30 20:33:56 <shayne>	Malatesta: there is no jakarta collective. it died.
Nov 30 20:34:08 <alboydX>	well - from that brief look. it is indeed dead.
Nov 30 20:34:18 <shayne>	just a fairly chaotic spammy newswire. 99% international spam.
Nov 30 20:34:19 <alboydX>	no contacts
Nov 30 20:34:22 <pabs>	tho there seems to be people wanting to reorganise
Nov 30 20:34:58 <and>	the jakarta resistance site seems good.
Nov 30 20:35:08 <and>	maybe they are possibilities to be involved
Nov 30 20:35:49 <and>	before publishing is halted maybe talk to thew indonesians and boud
Nov 30 20:36:03 <and>	suggest suspending publishing whilst the site is reorgainized
Nov 30 20:36:05 <Malatesta>	what shall the oceania collective will do for the jarkta.indy site?
Nov 30 20:36:14 <pabs>	tech mainly
Nov 30 20:36:21 <pabs>	fix up the site
Nov 30 20:36:33 <pabs>	convert to a better codebase
Nov 30 20:36:34 <and>	move them off active
Nov 30 20:36:38 <and>	:)
Nov 30 20:36:45 *	shayne nods furiously.
Nov 30 20:36:48 <alboydX>	u guys wanna KILL the site?
Nov 30 20:36:51 <pabs>	bring them thru process
Nov 30 20:36:56 <and>	no no
Nov 30 20:36:59 <Malatesta>	no dont kill the site
Nov 30 20:37:03 <pabs>	hell no
Nov 30 20:37:08 <and>	help them through process
Nov 30 20:37:09 <shayne>	most important try to help a collective form.
Nov 30 20:37:12 <and>	set up a new site
Nov 30 20:37:18 <pabs>	most definately
Nov 30 20:37:20 <shayne>	the problem is there isnt a jakarta indy collective.
Nov 30 20:37:22 <halo>	it's always easier when someone who has done it befor is helping you
Nov 30 20:37:31 <pabs>	shayne: collective is most imp part
Nov 30 20:37:33 <and>	but stop publishing for the moment
Nov 30 20:37:40 <Malatesta>	<and> set up a new site: what would it be and how will it look like
Nov 30 20:37:43 <halo>	help to go throught the process would be good methinks
Nov 30 20:37:43 <Malatesta>	<and> set up a new site: what would it be and how will it look like?
Nov 30 20:37:44 <and>	so they don't have to stress about it
Nov 30 20:37:57 <and>	it depends what they want
Nov 30 20:37:59 <alboydX>	so there was NO global.imc process?
Nov 30 20:38:00 <shayne>	And theres also the issue thta the international collective will want a new jakarta collective to go thru process.
Nov 30 20:38:09 <and>	yeah there is a global process
Nov 30 20:38:13 <pabs>	and: what is specs on octapod server?
Nov 30 20:38:25 <and>	anyway, all this is speculative until we find out what THEY want
Nov 30 20:38:39 *	shayne adds , if THEY exist anymore.
Nov 30 20:38:39 <pabs>	boud is our first point of call
Nov 30 20:38:39 <and>	maybe we should move on until we get some more info from them?
Nov 30 20:38:44 <alboydX>	just want to clarify:
Nov 30 20:38:56 <alboydX>	did they go thru formal imc global process?
Nov 30 20:39:05 <and>	no
Nov 30 20:39:08 <alboydX>	ok
Nov 30 20:39:19 <alboydX>	ok - i'll get onto boud
Nov 30 20:39:25 <shayne>	hmm
Nov 30 20:39:30 <Malatesta>	 do we still have contacts of some of the jakarta indy collective?
Nov 30 20:39:30 <and>	maybe send the log of the discussion to him also
Nov 30 20:39:32 <alboydX>	see what he thinks is happening
Nov 30 20:39:48 <and>	boud seems to have contacts malatesta
Nov 30 20:39:50 <alboydX>	yep log ok
Nov 30 20:39:51 <pabs>	Malatesta: on the mailing list there is one
Nov 30 20:39:55 <pabs>	at least
Nov 30 20:40:01 <and>	boud is a australian/polish guy
Nov 30 20:40:03 <Malatesta>	:(
Nov 30 20:40:37 <alboydX>	about us
Nov 30 20:40:37 <alboydX>	about us
Nov 30 20:40:37 <alboydX>	Sorry, we haven't filled in this page yet. Why don't you give us a prod. 
Nov 30 20:40:41 <alboydX>	nice!
Nov 30 20:40:48 <alboydX>	no accountability!
Nov 30 20:40:51 <alboydX>	:)
Nov 30 20:40:54 <shayne>	we need to really honestly ask if a collective still exists. if not , are there any mobs like food-not-bombs or critical mass or whatever that'd be interested in helpin form one.
Nov 30 20:41:09 <and>	so shall we move on now until we get more info?
Nov 30 20:41:15 <shayne>	yup
Nov 30 20:41:24 <alboydX>	yeah i wann talk about flotillas stuff
Nov 30 20:41:26 <halo>	surely there must be some movements to which indymedia would be very valuable
Nov 30 20:41:27 <pabs>	yep
Nov 30 20:41:37 <alboydX>	halo?
Nov 30 20:41:44 <halo>	in indonesia
Nov 30 20:41:52 <alboydX>	yeah sure
Nov 30 20:41:56 <shayne>	non authoritarian marxists if possiblle.
Nov 30 20:41:57 <and>	maybe we should here from maila before flotillas?
Nov 30 20:41:58 <halo>	sorry i'm  a bit slow tongith
Nov 30 20:42:01 <halo>	tonight
Nov 30 20:42:12 <annah>	taking another break to do stuff, check back in soon
Nov 30 20:42:13 <alboydX>	:)
Nov 30 20:42:25 <alboydX>	ok - manila...
Nov 30 20:42:28 <Malatesta>	teri or thought_criminal from manila indymedia has contacts with some indonesia punks and activists. MAYBE you guys could ask her
Nov 30 20:43:12 <Malatesta>	flotillas?
Nov 30 20:43:16 <alboydX>	yeah jong - can u pass on their email addies?
Nov 30 20:43:30 <alboydX>	allanx@octapod.org
Nov 30 20:43:44 <shayne>	Jong. that'd be awesome.
Nov 30 20:43:58 <Malatesta>	teri knows the email addies of his/her indonesian friends, ablboyd
Nov 30 20:44:10 <shayne>	Jong. can you follow that up for us?
Nov 30 20:44:13 <alboydX>	ok then jong!
Nov 30 20:44:13 <Malatesta>	yeah
Nov 30 20:44:23 <shayne>	action plus.
Nov 30 20:44:29 <alboydX>	leave it with u then!!! yay.
Nov 30 20:44:30 <thought_criminal>	hey...
Nov 30 20:44:34 <Malatesta>	teri
Nov 30 20:44:37 <shayne>	yah?
Nov 30 20:44:52 <Malatesta>	can you give us some contacts of your indonesian friends?
Nov 30 20:44:58 <alboydX>	huh?
Nov 30 20:45:03 <Malatesta>	TERI, can you give us some contacts of your indonesian friends?
Nov 30 20:45:13 <shayne>	or teri can :)
Nov 30 20:45:15 <alboydX>	:)
Nov 30 20:45:25 <thought_criminal>	wait...
Nov 30 20:45:28 <shayne>	teri = thought_criminal ?
Nov 30 20:45:33 <alboydX>	brb
Nov 30 20:45:36 <thought_criminal>	i'm getting the related sites or e-mail adrresses.
Nov 30 20:45:37 ---	shayne gives channel operator status to thought_criminal
Nov 30 20:45:47 <Malatesta>	yeah, teri is the thought_criminal
Nov 30 20:45:53 <and>	what is brb?
Nov 30 20:46:02 <Malatesta>	brb- be right back
Nov 30 20:46:12 <thought_criminal>	margiyono@pds.or.id
Nov 30 20:46:30 <shayne>	Well. Teri:: Can you contact em for us, since you know em?
Nov 30 20:46:38 <Malatesta>	there it is guys. teri is giving some email contacts of her indonesian networks
Nov 30 20:46:54 <thought_criminal>	then they used to have a site but i can't seemto open here... but give it a try then...www.pds.or.id
Nov 30 20:47:28 <Malatesta>	pds
Nov 30 20:47:29 <pabs>	nameserver failure
Nov 30 20:47:29 <thought_criminal>	a breakaway/faction of the only left group called partairakyat demokratik.
Nov 30 20:47:40 <Malatesta>	PDSP?
Nov 30 20:48:05 <thought_criminal>	that was about 2 years ago since this friend o mine involved in media/writing works forhis former party decided to work up with their own indymedia.
Nov 30 20:48:41 <Malatesta>	maybe that person is the same contact of boud
Nov 30 20:48:43 <thought_criminal>	nope... democratic socialist assoc.
Nov 30 20:48:57 <shayne>	eek.
Nov 30 20:49:08 *	shayne hides. Thats not the same as the dsp in australia.
Nov 30 20:49:09 <shayne>	?
Nov 30 20:49:21 <Malatesta>	hehehee
Nov 30 20:49:27 <thought_criminal>	pds for short. he covered the autonomous group before of erwan... the indonesian anarchist who joined our small commune 2 years ago.
Nov 30 20:49:28 <and>	 also been given some contacts for Taring Padi in indonesia
Nov 30 20:49:46 <and>	don't know if it's the same people others are talking about
Nov 30 20:50:13 <Malatesta>	by the way, TERI has already visited indonesia to integrate the ANTI-SUHARTO actions way back 97
Nov 30 20:50:21 <thought_criminal>	nope.. not the same, the dsp of australia even published a full page critique/feature with that issue.
Nov 30 20:51:05 <pabs>	this ring a bet teri? shakun shakun_rior at yahoo.com 
Nov 30 20:51:06 <thought_criminal>	the breakaway group including the guy responsible for the early indymedia-jakarta called them bureaucratic, centralized...
Nov 30 20:51:18 <pabs>	bell rather
Nov 30 20:51:34 <thought_criminal>	what was that pabs?
Nov 30 20:51:49 <shayne>	australia dsp are fucking stalinist losers imho
Nov 30 20:51:52 *	shayne not sectarian.
Nov 30 20:51:57 <pabs>	does the name shakun rior sound familiar teri?
Nov 30 20:51:58 <Malatesta>	hehehee
Nov 30 20:52:11 <pabs>	http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-jakarta/2003-November/000067.html
Nov 30 20:52:16 <Malatesta>	by the way, IMC-PILIPINAS is now on new-imc
Nov 30 20:52:20 <and>	marxist-leninist losers actually :) 
Nov 30 20:52:36 <shayne>	"Oh shayne! WE *CANT* do consensus! Thats anti democratic! Anyone could block a minority opinion! Lets take a vote!"
Nov 30 20:52:41 *	shayne seethes.
Nov 30 20:52:48 <thought_criminal>	from indonesia?
Nov 30 20:52:55 <pabs>	yep
Nov 30 20:53:05 <pabs>	on the jakarta imc mailing list
Nov 30 20:53:15 <thought_criminal>	the only shakun i worked with was the head of interfaith dialogue for peace in m,anila. she's an indian and hindu.
Nov 30 20:53:27 *	and is not into consensus so much anymore but we don't have to have consensus on that :)
Nov 30 20:53:28 <Malatesta>	hehehee... shayne. centralized and hierarchical groups really SUCKS
Nov 30 20:53:30 <thought_criminal>	but these indonesians are so used to make up names...
Nov 30 20:53:43 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 20:54:02 <and>	can people explain a bit more about the differences between imc manilla and philipines
Nov 30 20:54:03 <and>	?
Nov 30 20:54:09 <shayne>	and: informal consensus is the easiest. folks just sorta agree on shit, and dont hang out with authoritarian twits.
Nov 30 20:54:28 <pabs>	eek this meeting is gonna go till dawn now
Nov 30 20:54:28 <thought_criminal>	i'll ask his other comrade i'm closed to 2 get infos on whats happened with imc-jakarta and where are the people behind them.
Nov 30 20:54:31 <Malatesta>	teri can explain the difference between IMC-MANILA AND IMC-PHILIPPINES
Nov 30 20:54:46 <Malatesta>	teri can explain the difference between IMC-MANILA AND IMC-PHILIPPINES
Nov 30 20:54:54 <Malatesta>	:)
Nov 30 20:54:58 <pabs>	k, thanks teri
Nov 30 20:55:13 <thought_criminal>	manila was decided to belike that coz' we obviously don't need to carry the great name under Philippines.
Nov 30 20:55:45 <thought_criminal>	unfortunately some other weak minded creatures thinks... PHILIPPINES under on-word willmake it easy for them to have it all.
Nov 30 20:56:13 <and>	so i take it relations are bad between the 2 groups?
Nov 30 20:56:22 <thought_criminal>	they wanted to sound too BIG and as a WHOLE!! claiming this and that area..to an extent the rest of the phil. archipelago.
Nov 30 20:56:32 <shayne>	I'm thinking pilipinas collective might need to find a new name, cos folks are gunna find it too wierd to have a pilipinas collective thats antagonistic to manila collective and aint syndication site.
Nov 30 20:56:49 <Malatesta>	yeah
Nov 30 20:56:59 <shayne>	hey jong. you where saying sumfin bout cebu maybe getting a collective together.
Nov 30 20:57:03 <and>	so the philipinas collective are based in manila
Nov 30 20:57:05 <and>	?
Nov 30 20:57:25 <thought_criminal>	to end such worries dealing with those imc-philippines indiv. we decided to tell them that ... "go ahead and make your own... we're fine and ok here."
Nov 30 20:57:32 <and>	and what in yr opinions are their politics?
Nov 30 20:57:35 <pabs>	yup, manila is based a bit further out of mania
Nov 30 20:57:47 <shayne>	mania: LOL!
Nov 30 20:57:49 <pabs>	maoist, right?
Nov 30 20:57:57 <pabs>	ooops typo
Nov 30 20:57:58 <Malatesta>	<shayne> hey jong. you where saying sumfin bout cebu maybe getting a collective together: YEAH, we are actually working the cebu contacts to form their own collective
Nov 30 20:58:01 <thought_criminal>	they are mostly based in manila considering tonyo itself has an office in quezon city 
Nov 30 20:58:13 <thought_criminal>	the main Media ooffice of BAYAN bloc.
Nov 30 20:58:27 <and>	is it possible to develop a contructive relationship or have things gotten too bad?
Nov 30 20:59:02 <thought_criminal>	the thing is ... it's different here in manila.
Nov 30 20:59:24 <thought_criminal>	i'm talking about the differences of experience in varuious regions of the philippines.
Nov 30 20:59:34 <Malatesta>	i personally can have a tolerance working with the MAOISTS but the maoist dont TOLERATE us. AND
Nov 30 20:59:44 <and>	ok
Nov 30 20:59:59 <Malatesta>	SO, IT's impossible to work together
Nov 30 20:59:59 <thought_criminal>	we came to conclude then that it is only in manila that these maoists in particular are hostile to any other group especially trivial ones like anarchists.
Nov 30 21:00:19 <and>	ok
Nov 30 21:00:24 <pabs>	ok, where were we?
Nov 30 21:00:29 <Malatesta>	hehehe
Nov 30 21:00:38 <pabs>	flotilla of hope? alboydX?
Nov 30 21:00:38 <and>	do they have a page or anything about themselves?
Nov 30 21:00:41 <thought_criminal>	in the south say davao... they had better relations with the reds/commies there. they even use some facilities 
Nov 30 21:00:44 <Malatesta>	back to flotilla
Nov 30 21:00:52 <Malatesta>	back to flotilla
Nov 30 21:00:59 <shayne>	yes. distractions distractions.
Nov 30 21:01:23 <and>	i don't think it's a distractions. i think it's important in terms of another potential imc in the region
Nov 30 21:01:29 <Malatesta>	teri, let's just reserve that points to IMC-PROCESS
Nov 30 21:01:30 <Malatesta>	teri, let's just reserve that points to IMC-PROCESS
Nov 30 21:01:40 <and>	and how it is possible or not possible to work with them
Nov 30 21:01:40 <thought_criminal>	sure..
Nov 30 21:02:07 <and>	am happy to leave for the moment thoough and follow what is goiung on in imc.-process
Nov 30 21:02:27 <thought_criminal>	they are quite experienced or say veterans in terms of outwitting their rivals...
Nov 30 21:02:50 <thought_criminal>	but we don't fear that...though it intimidates our small circle at times.
Nov 30 21:02:59 <Malatesta>	teri, i am actually proposing the imc-process to request imc-pilipinas collective not to use pilipinas or philippines. they should find for another name where their collective is organically located
Nov 30 21:02:59 <and>	ok, i'm getting the general gist
Nov 30 21:03:23 <thought_criminal>	collective?
Nov 30 21:03:45 <shayne>	Well Jong. you have the right to [block] it if you chose. be sure to justify your reasoning well tho.
Nov 30 21:04:01 <thought_criminal>	do they know for sure how a collective works? 
Nov 30 21:04:17 <shayne>	My old sugestion was that you guys take quezon city, those guys take manila and then we create a syndication site for the federation of manila imcs.
Nov 30 21:04:41 <Malatesta>	that's a good idea shayne
Nov 30 21:04:47 <thought_criminal>	such suggestions shouldn't be taken supposedly as hostile or anything counter-revolutionary accdg. to their reference.
Nov 30 21:04:57 <shayne>	or perhaps even an asia.indymedia.org and get jakarta(eventually) , japan, taiwan etc in there.
Nov 30 21:05:11 <pabs>	yeah, better
Nov 30 21:05:15 <alboydX>	bit broad
Nov 30 21:05:21 <shayne>	like oceania :)
Nov 30 21:05:22 <Malatesta>	but asia.indymedia is not working yet
Nov 30 21:05:36 <shayne>	no. its not even been talked about yet.
Nov 30 21:05:52 <shayne>	(there is no reason manila/indo imc's cant be in both oceania and asia!!)
Nov 30 21:06:04 <thought_criminal>	the thing is..in terms of tech capabilities... i find our own ranks less skilled on writing/computers
Nov 30 21:06:05 <Malatesta>	anyway, what's with the FLOTILLA thing?
Nov 30 21:06:36 <and>	i don't know that there is a name for south east asia and oceania
Nov 30 21:06:39 <Malatesta>	teri: yeah... coz some of us in manila indy collective are luddites
Nov 30 21:06:48 <thought_criminal>	even camera or video stuff... 
Nov 30 21:07:01 <pabs>	asionea
Nov 30 21:07:08 <Malatesta>	lol
Nov 30 21:07:23 <Malatesta>	asionea.hehehe.... nice name. cool term
Nov 30 21:08:03 <thought_criminal>	most doesn't havean e-mail address. i've told once before whom i addressed to tonyo that they can be contented with their tons of resources.
Nov 30 21:08:16 <Malatesta>	cool synthesis of oceania and south east asia: ASIONEA
Nov 30 21:08:23 <chris_>	sorry to interupt can I just say this is all very interesting
Nov 30 21:08:50 <pabs>	that's cool chris_, thks
Nov 30 21:08:59 <pabs>	any other comments?
Nov 30 21:08:59 <thought_criminal>	but good news.. we have great pics/shots froma comrade yesterday when the guuards arrested us at sm west mall.
Nov 30 21:09:08 <and>	was that all chris....................?
Nov 30 21:09:08 <chris_>	not for the moment
Nov 30 21:09:17 <chris_>	I'll just sit and learn
Nov 30 21:09:18 <adz>	did the irc logs go up? sorry been pulled away... 
Nov 30 21:09:33 <Malatesta>	wher are we now?
Nov 30 21:09:34 <and>	so are manilla in need of funds?
Nov 30 21:09:45 <thought_criminal>	definitely.
Nov 30 21:09:47 <pabs>	adz, not finished yet
Nov 30 21:09:58 <pabs>	shayne, maybe you can post part of them?
Nov 30 21:10:01 <Malatesta>	yeah, manila indy collective is literally poor
Nov 30 21:10:07 <Malatesta>	we need funds
Nov 30 21:10:08 <alboydX>	Banyak kejadian yang telah terjadi diseputaran negeri
Nov 30 21:10:09 <alboydX>	kita ini dan banyak sekali informasi yang ' benar '
Nov 30 21:10:09 <alboydX>	tidak dapat kita sampaikan.
Nov 30 21:10:12 <alboydX>	woops
Nov 30 21:10:14 <alboydX>	sorry
Nov 30 21:10:20 <shayne>	er.
Nov 30 21:10:21 <pabs>	Malatesta: funds or sos more important?
Nov 30 21:10:25 <shayne>	I'll stick it in perth library for now.
Nov 30 21:10:26 <Malatesta>	we need equipments and technical skills
Nov 30 21:10:27 <thought_criminal>	we couldn't imagine the imc-manila running without any materials and at least a physical center at all
Nov 30 21:10:28 <Malatesta>	we need equipments and technical skills
Nov 30 21:10:53 <pabs>	us too ;)
Nov 30 21:11:08 <and>	have you applied to imc-finance?
Nov 30 21:11:12 <Malatesta>	the fund that we use for MANILA INDYMEDIA come from our own drained POCKETS:(
Nov 30 21:11:13 <alboydX>	perth - fully
Nov 30 21:11:14 <Malatesta>	too sad
Nov 30 21:11:24 <alboydX>	and?
Nov 30 21:11:27 <and>	there is still about $20 000 US i thinl
Nov 30 21:11:31 <thought_criminal>	even our meetings that are supposed to be in-doors...have taken place in sidewalks ofpeople's park
Nov 30 21:11:57 <pabs>	isn't it nicer outside
Nov 30 21:11:57 <and>	make a concrete proposal and i don't think you will have a problem
Nov 30 21:12:08 <alboydX>	wet
Nov 30 21:12:11 <Malatesta>	teri, HAVE YOU ALREADY been approved on imc-finance MAILING LIST?
Nov 30 21:12:11 <alboydX>	i'd say
Nov 30 21:12:12 <Malatesta>	teri, HAVE YOU ALREADY been approved on imc-finance MAILING LIST?
Nov 30 21:12:17 <thought_criminal>	i was just recently approved in subscription on imc- finance list.
Nov 30 21:12:26 <Malatesta>	cool
Nov 30 21:12:31 <adz>	have a fundraiser...did melb apply ever apply?
Nov 30 21:12:32 <Malatesta>	nice teri
Nov 30 21:12:34 <and>	collectivly make a proposal
Nov 30 21:12:39 <thought_criminal>	but we still have tomeet to jhong!
Nov 30 21:12:44 <and>	as long as it's ressonable it should go through
Nov 30 21:12:55 <Malatesta>	yeah, manila indymedia collective has to meet
Nov 30 21:13:05 <and>	just be specific about what you want to use the money for
Nov 30 21:13:08 <thought_criminal>	we need the consensus to be made before making requests or something like that to IMC-Finance.
Nov 30 21:13:10 <Malatesta>	i was just approve at imc-process mailing list
Nov 30 21:14:04 <adz>	process seems to be the place of bitchfights and not much else... maybe it has chagned recently
Nov 30 21:14:04 <thought_criminal>	is it possible to ask for assistance on having a physical center?
Nov 30 21:14:04 <and>	there are not so many fights at the moment
Nov 30 21:14:04 <Malatesta>	teri, im thinking for a RECONSOLIDATION of MANILA INDY collective
Nov 30 21:14:24 <and>	i think it is definelty possible to ask for assistance as to a physical centre
Nov 30 21:14:31 <and>	but you need to come up with a plan to present
Nov 30 21:14:37 <thought_criminal>	we have an awful condition here. the active kolektives would have to travel in certain provinces to meet the other kolektives.
Nov 30 21:14:51 <thought_criminal>	yes... the imc-manila still needs to meet for the proposal stuff.
Nov 30 21:14:54 <shayne>	pabs::::: WIERD!!!!!!!! http://perth.indymedia.org/uploads/0/#oceania.indymedia.org.log
Nov 30 21:14:56 <Malatesta>	manila needs to reconsolidate the collective in order to plan seriously 
Nov 30 21:15:11 <thought_criminal>	we are so far busy gathering what have we's for the infoshop in manila as well.
Nov 30 21:15:15 <pabs>	shayne: hmm
Nov 30 21:15:28 <and>	things have been done before like sending computers to south america
Nov 30 21:15:43 <and>	or funding other equipment or spaces
Nov 30 21:16:01 -->	alb (al@welax11-215.dialup.optusnet.com.au) has joined #oceania
Nov 30 21:16:04 <and>	have a look through the imc-finance artchives and you'll get a better idea of how it works
Nov 30 21:16:05 <alb>	grrr
Nov 30 21:16:08 <--	alboydX has quit (Read error: No route to host)
Nov 30 21:16:10 <shayne>	I've thought a similar idea. a tech-up-se/asia project.
Nov 30 21:16:18 <thought_criminal>	but how do we put it in proposal the need for computers? we only knew some general parts... monitor, keyboard,cpu printer.
Nov 30 21:16:20 <Malatesta>	shayne: we need your old computers
Nov 30 21:16:44 <alb>	how much u need? $$
Nov 30 21:17:00 <thought_criminal>	we don't have that idea exactly how much...
Nov 30 21:17:06 <pabs>	Malatesta: unfortunately the stupid guild sold them
Nov 30 21:17:14 <shayne>	OK.
Nov 30 21:17:15 <alb>	roughly?
Nov 30 21:17:15 <thought_criminal>	we really hardly buy materials...
Nov 30 21:17:19 <alb>	and what gear?
Nov 30 21:17:20 <shayne>	MEETING LOG SO FAR===> http://perth.indymedia.org/uploads/0/oceania.txt
Nov 30 21:17:21 <thought_criminal>	sorry about that.
Nov 30 21:17:57 <Malatesta>	:( sad
Nov 30 21:17:58 <alb>	so WHAT does manila need?
Nov 30 21:18:10 <shayne>	Marie seems to think it'd possibly be easier to send bux to buy them locally over there.
Nov 30 21:18:11 <thought_criminal>	cameras...
Nov 30 21:18:16 <and>	it might be worth just posting a general intro to imc-finance. tell themn what you think you might need
Nov 30 21:18:18 <alb>	2-3 pcs?
Nov 30 21:18:21 <and>	what you want to do etc
Nov 30 21:18:32 <and>	there maybe people there also who can help
Nov 30 21:18:34 <thought_criminal>	haveworkshops.
Nov 30 21:18:43 <shayne>	coupla pc's and camera is about what'd do the job. (perth cameras been stolen btw)
Nov 30 21:18:52 <thought_criminal>	someone from Italy is currently here in phils.
Nov 30 21:18:53 <alb>	u need to define WHAT u need!
Nov 30 21:18:59 <thought_criminal>	doyou know tiziana
Nov 30 21:19:03 <and>	yes
Nov 30 21:19:23 <thought_criminal>	she e-mailed that she's at puertoprincesa.
Nov 30 21:19:38 <thought_criminal>	we haven't meet her yet. maybe she can help us.
Nov 30 21:19:42 <Malatesta>	tiziana is in the philippines right now
Nov 30 21:19:44 <and>	tiziana is not exactly indymedia
Nov 30 21:19:49 <and>	but has connections
Nov 30 21:19:50 <Malatesta>	?
Nov 30 21:19:57 <thought_criminal>	i see.
Nov 30 21:20:09 <and>	and there is more money in europe than in australia or new zealand
Nov 30 21:20:09 <thought_criminal>	she said she wants to meet us.
Nov 30 21:20:20 <and>	conncetions to social movements in italy
Nov 30 21:20:36 <and>	like the disobedienti
Nov 30 21:20:42 <Malatesta>	cool
Nov 30 21:20:44 <thought_criminal>	sounds familiar...
Nov 30 21:20:55 <and>	but disobedienti and italy indymedia are kind of rivals
Nov 30 21:20:58 <and>	but she is cool
Nov 30 21:21:09 <thought_criminal>	happy anarchy from brisbane raised some funds for manila infoshop..
Nov 30 21:21:10 <Malatesta>	im actually asking tiziana if she had videos for us to show in a film showing here in manila
Nov 30 21:21:13 <thought_criminal>	do you know asger?
Nov 30 21:21:32 <and>	talking to me?
Nov 30 21:21:40 <thought_criminal>	tyeah.. and shayne.
Nov 30 21:21:49 <and>	oh, asger is a brisbane guy no?
Nov 30 21:22:02 <thought_criminal>	in just 2 days he raised 30 $ for our cause.
Nov 30 21:22:08 <alb>	hey jong/teri: also i have an mate living in manila at the moment: he may be able to help u with stuff.
Nov 30 21:22:14 <and>	the problem in aus is that most indymedias don't have any money either
Nov 30 21:22:17 <thought_criminal>	yes.
Nov 30 21:22:18 <alb>	flempnod@yahoo.com
Nov 30 21:22:28 <thought_criminal>	wait... alright.
Nov 30 21:22:47 <alb>	hes a mild level activist
Nov 30 21:22:57 <thought_criminal>	how do we introduce ourselves to this fella'?
Nov 30 21:22:58 <alb>	his name is anrew kemp
Nov 30 21:23:06 <thought_criminal>	alright.
Nov 30 21:23:26 <alb>	andrew kemp - tell him allan boyd sent ya - said he may be able to help
Nov 30 21:23:34 <and>	i think through the oceania meet we might be able to do some concerts or something to raise money also
Nov 30 21:23:43 <and>	maybe we can send people back with some equipment
Nov 30 21:24:07 <alb>	i believe buying gear etc in manilawould be bettere than sendins.
Nov 30 21:24:30 <Malatesta>	<and> maybe we can send people back with some equipment: NICE IDEA
Nov 30 21:24:58 <and>	back soon. going to eat something.
Nov 30 21:25:05 <Malatesta>	postal fees cost so much if you send something in manila
Nov 30 21:25:19 ---	and is now known as and_mangando
Nov 30 21:26:02 <alb>	yeah i thought: we could fundraise too here in perth. then stick $$ in your account
Nov 30 21:26:07 <thought_criminal>	that's what they always say. especially that our customs dep't. is awfully corrupt.
Nov 30 21:26:27 <alb>	is electronic transfer corrupt
Nov 30 21:26:42 <thought_criminal>	hey....  how do you  do that?
Nov 30 21:26:43 <Malatesta>	how can we acquire and apply for a PAYPAL?
Nov 30 21:26:44 <Malatesta>	how can we acquire and apply for a PAYPAL?
Nov 30 21:27:15 <alb>	do u have a bank account?
Nov 30 21:27:25 <thought_criminal>	none...
Nov 30 21:27:29 <Malatesta>	none
Nov 30 21:27:29 <alb>	credit card?
Nov 30 21:27:30 <thought_criminal>	local ones only.
Nov 30 21:27:32 <alb>	nothing?
Nov 30 21:27:36 <Malatesta>	none either
Nov 30 21:27:39 <alb>	shit
Nov 30 21:27:48 <thought_criminal>	none likethat yet.
Nov 30 21:27:53 <alb>	no electronic money? 
Nov 30 21:28:01 <Malatesta>	but the manila collective can open an account for thaT
Nov 30 21:28:03 <alb>	what about YOU guys personally?
Nov 30 21:28:26 <thought_criminal>	i know that sounds awfulfor you. me asa punk i've been always at risk ... getting cash in well-concealed envelope...
Nov 30 21:28:26 <Malatesta>	teri, we can open an ATM account
Nov 30 21:28:44 <alb>	:)
Nov 30 21:28:56 <thought_criminal>	how will  we do that?
Nov 30 21:28:59 <thought_criminal>	ok..
Nov 30 21:29:01 <Malatesta>	teri, we can open an ATM account at landbank or metrobank
Nov 30 21:29:17 <alb>	if u have I.D. u should be ok
Nov 30 21:29:27 <pabs>	k, hope the transfer fees are not too much
Nov 30 21:29:33 <thought_criminal>	alright... but i thni they have maintaining balances...
Nov 30 21:29:42 <alb>	my friend ANDY KEMP's girlfirnd works for CITYBANK!
Nov 30 21:29:53 <Malatesta>	citibank?
Nov 30 21:29:56 <Malatesta>	cool
Nov 30 21:29:58 <thought_criminal>	i'll ask my uncle aboutvarious bank charges for int'l. bank transfer.
Nov 30 21:29:59 <alb>	[my mate in maila]
Nov 30 21:30:04 <Malatesta>	maybe kemps gf can help us
Nov 30 21:30:07 <Malatesta>	maybe kemps gf can help us
Nov 30 21:30:20 <alb>	yeah
Nov 30 21:30:22 <thought_criminal>	oh... that's really big - CITY BANK.
Nov 30 21:30:24 <alb>	he's a great guy
Nov 30 21:30:27 <thought_criminal>	yeah.
Nov 30 21:30:29 <alb>	yeah!
Nov 30 21:30:39 <thought_criminal>	involevd with a kolektive too?
Nov 30 21:30:54 <alb>	kempy no.
Nov 30 21:31:05 <alb>	he's a totally free spirit - surfer
Nov 30 21:31:16 <thought_criminal>	i see. that's cool!
Nov 30 21:31:20 <alb>	but he is a good friend and will help u guys - no worries
Nov 30 21:31:45 <alb>	i asked him before he left to get in touch with manila.indymedia
Nov 30 21:32:07 <Malatesta>	yeah, nice idea
Nov 30 21:32:08 <thought_criminal>	ur from alan?
Nov 30 21:32:21 <Malatesta>	alan?
Nov 30 21:32:46 <alb>	but he must be busy. if u contact him [email]me
Nov 30 21:32:54 <alb>	sorry
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Nov 30 21:33:07 <Malatesta>	alb: when is he goin to depart in australia for manila?
Nov 30 21:33:09 <thought_criminal>	alright then...
Nov 30 21:33:18 <alb>	he is there already
Nov 30 21:33:27 <Malatesta>	ic
Nov 30 21:33:29 ---	shayne gives channel operator status to alb
Nov 30 21:33:31 <alb>	been in manila for a month or so now.
Nov 30 21:33:40 <shayne>	is meeting still going or has it.. petered out?
Nov 30 21:33:50 <and>	flotillas?
Nov 30 21:34:01 <alb>	:) flofuckingtillas
Nov 30 21:34:11 <alb>	yes ok
Nov 30 21:34:28 <and>	though sean is the main person about this
Nov 30 21:34:33 <Malatesta>	flotillas
Nov 30 21:34:35 <Malatesta>	flotillas
Nov 30 21:34:35 <Malatesta>	flotillas
Nov 30 21:34:40 <chris_>	I hope this helps:
Nov 30 21:34:41 <chris_>	http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/
Nov 30 21:34:44 <alb>	ok then
Nov 30 21:34:44 <and>	maybe is makes little sense without him
Nov 30 21:35:21 <thought_criminal>	hey shayne... here's a helpful site/links from south of phils. davao city ... there's always an update as well with the actions there!!! http://sullenseed.fateback.com
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Nov 30 21:36:49 <Malatesta>	can we have a brief background what does FLOTILLA all about?
Nov 30 21:36:51 <Malatesta>	can we have a brief background what does FLOTILLA all about?
Nov 30 21:37:30 <pabs>	i'll dig up the url
Nov 30 21:37:33 <shayne>	al:: explain.
Nov 30 21:37:59 <and>	before we have much of a discussion maybe we should check the level of interest
Nov 30 21:38:29 <and>	i am mildly interested in offering a small, small amount of support
Nov 30 21:38:31 <pabs>	http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2003-November/000715.html
Nov 30 21:38:41 <alboydX>	http://perth.indymedia.org/index.php?action=newswire&parentview=1773
Nov 30 21:38:57 <alboydX>	bit of info there
Nov 30 21:39:27 <alboydX>	basically a bunch of boats from east and wes coast of oz to Xmas island and Nauru - to the offshore detention centres
Nov 30 21:39:39 <alboydX>	is the plan
Nov 30 21:39:47 <pabs>	is rran doing stuff for that al?
Nov 30 21:40:01 <alboydX>	nothing yet - i'm trying to crank them
Nov 30 21:40:12 <pabs>	they fucking well should
Nov 30 21:40:17 <alboydX>	they discussd briefly at meeting apparently
Nov 30 21:40:17 <halo>	omg that sounds amazing
Nov 30 21:40:25 <alboydX>	it is halo
Nov 30 21:41:08 <thought_criminal>	wow! just like the guy from profane existence... he owns a boat (i'm not sure how he got it...) 
Nov 30 21:41:42 <thought_criminal>	it's obviously much more free to be out in the ocean! 
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Nov 30 21:43:51 <alboydX>	fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Nov 30 21:43:58 <shayne>	haha
Nov 30 21:43:58 <pabs>	:)
Nov 30 21:44:07 <alboydX>	what was i saying?
Nov 30 21:44:17 <alboydX>	:))
Nov 30 21:44:35 <and>	is there much more on flotillas then?
Nov 30 21:45:03 <and>	everyone seems pretty quite on it
Nov 30 21:45:21 <Malatesta>	yeah
Nov 30 21:45:24 <pabs>	well, most ppl have commitments
Nov 30 21:45:28 <pabs>	i guess
Nov 30 21:45:39 <pabs>	i'll be in the middle of hons
Nov 30 21:45:46 <pabs>	honours that is
Nov 30 21:45:50 <and>	i have some problems with the politics
Nov 30 21:45:58 <and>	they are quite conservative
Nov 30 21:46:21 <and>	anyway. maybe we need to wait for sean to suggest something more concrete
Nov 30 21:46:39 <pabs>	yup
Nov 30 21:46:40 <and>	if none of us are really into comitting to it we may as well talk about something esle
Nov 30 21:46:58 <and>	was it mentioned that people shoulod hang around in this channel more?
Nov 30 21:47:41 <pabs>	ages ago
Nov 30 21:47:59 <halo>	i will def mention the flotillas idea to anyone i think would want to be involved over here
Nov 30 21:48:00 <pabs>	yes YOU ALL SUCK FOR NOT VISITING 
Nov 30 21:48:07 <halo>	esp if they have a boat
Nov 30 21:48:19 <pabs>	;)
Nov 30 21:48:34 *	halo is trying to get out of all her commitments right now
Nov 30 21:50:02 <shayne>	al just foned me. his computer has completely fucking died. so he's interested in getting national tech support for flotilla project.
Nov 30 21:50:27 <shayne>	I've suggested he puts it to e-list so ppl have more time to conceptually chew over it.
Nov 30 21:50:52 <and>	so is that everyting then?
Nov 30 21:51:12 <halo>	there have been political flotillas from nz before into the pacific.. i wonder if there is a group here that could help with this project?
Nov 30 21:51:21 <halo>	with tech, logistics, boats etc
Nov 30 21:51:26 <pabs>	high noon is the other thing
Nov 30 21:51:39 <thought_criminal>	excuse... i have to go now... for another meeting of subvertisers tonight... i'll just have the proposal e-mailed after our imc-manila meeting. it's been wonderful to hear from the rest of imc-ocenia.
Nov 30 21:51:52 <thought_criminal>	:-)
Nov 30 21:52:07 <Malatesta>	teri is leaving
Nov 30 21:52:10 <halo>	cya :)
Nov 30 21:52:10 <pabs>	nice to meet you
Nov 30 21:52:18 <pabs>	seeya teri
Nov 30 21:52:18 <thought_criminal>	yeah! me too.
Nov 30 21:52:36 <thought_criminal>	soon... 
Nov 30 21:53:02 <thought_criminal>	with armed desire... good days ahead ofus!!!
Nov 30 21:53:10 <pabs>	indeed
Nov 30 21:53:20 <and>	the only thing with highnoon is that if you have videos that deal with the topics
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Nov 30 21:53:43 <and>	media. immaterial labour, communication, migration etc.
Nov 30 21:53:52 <pabs>	ah, annah, you still here?
Nov 30 21:54:01 <and>	than you should upload then along the lines expressed in the call out
Nov 30 21:54:08 <halo>	highnoon?
Nov 30 21:54:20 <pabs>	anything relevant in the newsreal annah?
Nov 30 21:54:29 <and>	http://geneva03.org/highnoon/index.php
Nov 30 21:54:37 <halo>	thanks
Nov 30 21:55:21 <pabs>	hmm must be sleeping
Nov 30 21:55:42 <Malatesta>	i'll be leaving too in a minute
Nov 30 21:56:02 <halo>	yer i should go soon too
Nov 30 21:56:13 <Malatesta>	i have to sleep early, i have class tommorow
Nov 30 21:56:31 <pabs>	k I think that's it
Nov 30 21:56:34 <halo>	it's 3am in nz
Nov 30 21:56:38 <and>	so pabs you are going to post a basic summary to the oceania list?
Nov 30 21:56:48 <pabs>	we'll post the logs and summary tomorrow
Nov 30 21:56:51 <pabs>	yep
Nov 30 21:56:54 <Malatesta>	i'll just read the conclusion and consensus of the meeting on monday or tues
Nov 30 21:57:00 <halo>	thanks pab
Nov 30 21:57:06 <pabs>	s'cool
Nov 30 21:57:18 <pabs>	I've a spare day
Nov 30 21:59:04 *	halo can't seem to remember what a spare day is...
Nov 30 21:59:09 <pabs>	lol
Nov 30 21:59:32 <pabs>	now occupation is over, I can get back to actually doing something for a change
Nov 30 21:59:48 <halo>	that's right.. what was the conclusion?
Nov 30 21:59:54 <halo>	of the occupaton?
Nov 30 22:00:14 <pabs>	we left, nothing more
Nov 30 22:00:26 <pabs>	energy sapping
Nov 30 22:00:31 <halo>	damn uni bureaucracies
Nov 30 22:00:36 <Malatesta>	im logging off now.
Nov 30 22:00:45 <Malatesta>	bye pabs, shayne
Nov 30 22:00:46 <pabs>	wait a sec Malatesta
Nov 30 22:00:47 <halo>	seeya Malatesta
Nov 30 22:00:53 <pabs>	marie is over in #perth
Nov 30 22:00:59 <Malatesta>	yeah pabs
Nov 30 22:01:10 <Malatesta>	?
Nov 30 22:01:24 <pabs>	say hi/bye to her
Nov 30 22:01:29 <Malatesta>	heheheee
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Nov 30 22:02:00 <Malatesta>	oh here's marie
Nov 30 22:02:18 <Malatesta>	how are you doin marie?
Nov 30 22:02:19 <wowi>	hulloo
Nov 30 22:02:27 <wowi>	gewd.. yaself?
Nov 30 22:02:37 <Malatesta>	fine
Nov 30 22:03:03 <wowi>	how's things in your parts of the world?
Nov 30 22:03:22 <Malatesta>	im just about to leave. i need a sleep. so it means that i have to say bye to marie
Nov 30 22:03:27 <Malatesta>	:)
Nov 30 22:03:31 <wowi>	cya lseep well
Nov 30 22:03:35 <Malatesta>	thanks
Nov 30 22:03:37 <wowi>	we'll talk sometime soom
Nov 30 22:03:42 <Malatesta>	yeah
Nov 30 22:03:53 <Malatesta>	bye oceania peple
Nov 30 22:03:58 <pabs>	cya
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Nov 30 22:04:01 <and>	bye
Nov 30 22:04:07 <and>	nice to meet ya
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Nov 30 22:09:28 <chris_>	that rocked
Nov 30 22:09:56 <chris_>	btw was that link I posted likely any help?
Nov 30 22:10:00 <chris_>	(http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/)
Nov 30 22:12:52 <pabs>	you mean for manila crew being low on puters n all?
Nov 30 22:13:13 <shayne>	chris: I dont get your context?
Nov 30 22:14:27 <shayne>	ah.
Nov 30 22:14:32 <chris_>	well we could send over one machine
Nov 30 22:14:36 <shayne>	sure sure.
Nov 30 22:14:43 <chris_>	with lottsa video cards
Nov 30 22:14:52 <chris_>	usb keyboards and mice
Nov 30 22:15:07 <shayne>	One thing that also works fine is to have just have a machine with kick ass capacity
Nov 30 22:15:16 <chris_>	yeah
Nov 30 22:15:32 <shayne>	and a bunch of 386's running Minix-vst + X doing query mode over to monster.
Nov 30 22:16:31 <shayne>	if minix-vst still around these days.
Nov 30 22:16:50 <shayne>	actually that'll probably run X on an xt if needs be.
Nov 30 22:16:59 <shayne>	(believe it or not!)
Nov 30 22:17:41 <shayne>	could be minix-vms perhaps.
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Nov 30 22:19:58 <shayne>	Oh kick ass. minix is being developed again.
Nov 30 22:20:10 <shayne>	I cut my teeth on that baby , well before linux even existed.
Nov 30 22:20:11 <shayne>	fuck.
Nov 30 22:20:27 <shayne>	need to put aside 20 megs for it on hard drive.
Nov 30 22:20:31 <shayne>	;)
Nov 30 22:20:52 <shayne>	wonder if they ever got round to implementing a proper berkley socket stack.
Nov 30 22:21:30 <annah>	hey i'm back
Nov 30 22:21:34 <shayne>	minix-vmd was the 32bit one.
Nov 30 22:21:35 <annah>	was working on newsreal
Nov 30 22:21:40 <shayne>	cool.
Nov 30 22:22:16 <annah>	so and, whats the highnoon deal
Nov 30 22:22:29 <annah>	can we host on their servers for any length of time
Nov 30 22:22:31 <pabs>	yo, what do peeps think of the thing i added to http://sofs.org.au/DreamsAndIdeas
Nov 30 22:22:31 <annah>	after the event?
Nov 30 22:24:52 <shayne>	hmm.
Nov 30 22:24:55 <shayne>	yeah. cool.
Nov 30 22:25:12 <and>	ah, if there is stuff related to the topics upload it
Nov 30 22:25:29 <and>	geneva03.org
Nov 30 22:25:46 <and>	they are trying to build an archive also not just for the stream
Nov 30 22:25:54 <annah>	sure great i'll check it out
Nov 30 22:26:11 <and>	am at some media workshops this weekend and had a good chat with the guy who started NGV
Nov 30 22:26:18 <and>	he did a presentation and i found out a bunch more
Nov 30 22:26:44 <annah>	cool, p'raps u could mail me about it?
Nov 30 22:26:50 <and>	one very cool thing is that its possible to create lots of different rdf feeds
Nov 30 22:27:08 <and>	so people could start uploading shorter videos online
Nov 30 22:27:19 <annah>	rdf feeds?
Nov 30 22:27:21 <and>	and we could pull the syndication into the oceania site
Nov 30 22:27:36 <and>	rss sorry
Nov 30 22:27:44 <and>	form of synication
Nov 30 22:27:49 <annah>	hehe still don't understand
Nov 30 22:28:02 <pabs>	that's how oceania.indy does it's job
Nov 30 22:28:11 <annah>	right..
Nov 30 22:28:14 <and>	basically there are different topics on ngv
Nov 30 22:28:23 <and>	and you can create sydnication from them
Nov 30 22:28:30 <and>	so they could create an oceania topic
Nov 30 22:28:52 <annah>	and we can relay that to oceania?
Nov 30 22:28:54 <and>	and that information would be syndicated like features are sydnicated on oceania now
Nov 30 22:29:02 <annah>	hey.. thats cool
Nov 30 22:29:06 <and>	yeah, so we could pull that into oceania
Nov 30 22:29:10 <annah>	i'm wondering how linked their topics are
Nov 30 22:29:14 <pabs>	and: very inefficient tho
Nov 30 22:29:21 <and>	why?
Nov 30 22:29:29 <and>	they could make us a topic
Nov 30 22:29:33 <and>	oceania
Nov 30 22:29:36 <pabs>	you download the same article many times
Nov 30 22:29:48 <and>	don't understand
Nov 30 22:29:49 <annah>	yeh.. but our videos would be applicable to MANY topics
Nov 30 22:29:59 <annah>	not just oceania..
Nov 30 22:30:02 <and>	yeah, i think you can put them in lots of topics
Nov 30 22:30:05 <annah>	so i guess its all searchable anyhow
Nov 30 22:30:11 <pabs>	and: the server refresshes like every 15 min
Nov 30 22:30:13 <annah>	right, just tick a few topic boxes
Nov 30 22:30:28 <pabs>	and redownloads all the past x articles
Nov 30 22:30:30 <and>	i'm saying though for the purpose of the oceania site you could sydnicate all the oceania videos onto a page
Nov 30 22:30:39 <pabs>	hmm
Nov 30 22:30:45 <and>	this might be a first step to setting something bigger up
Nov 30 22:30:56 <pabs>	need the right tags to say <this is oceania crap>
Nov 30 22:31:05 <annah>	wellll yes
Nov 30 22:31:19 <and>	once second i'll find the page
Nov 30 22:31:22 <annah>	especially if they've got the servers!
Nov 30 22:32:19 <annah>	so with the highnoon project are the files u upload available
Nov 30 22:32:24 <and>	http://www.ngvision.org/mediabase/category
Nov 30 22:32:26 <annah>	or are they just re-encoded for a live stream
Nov 30 22:32:33 <and>	they all spit out xml feeds
Nov 30 22:32:41 <pabs>	shayne: oh, fuck: 'Port Coogeee is set to go ahead'
Nov 30 22:33:01 <and>	yeah they are also forming an archive on v2v i think
Nov 30 22:33:20 <and>	i think they might re.encode them though
Nov 30 22:33:25 <and>	i forget the codec
Nov 30 22:33:48 <annah>	be good to know, silly to have them re-encode
Nov 30 22:33:56 <annah>	i guess its vp3 for v2v
Nov 30 22:34:01 <and>	it's in the call it think
Nov 30 22:34:16 <and>	http://geneva03.org/highnoon/index.php
Nov 30 22:34:28 <halo>	alright kids i'm off to bed
Nov 30 22:34:38 <halo>	thanks for cool meetings and info
Nov 30 22:34:40 <halo>	:)
Nov 30 22:34:59 <pabs>	night halo
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Nov 30 22:35:18 <and>	actually it doesn't say which codec that i can find
Nov 30 22:36:03 <and>	if you go to  #wsis there will probably be people in there that can tell you, but have read of the whole call out first
Nov 30 22:36:08 <and>	maybe i missed somthing
Nov 30 22:36:43 <annah>	just says to email for info
Nov 30 22:36:47 <annah>	so i am
Nov 30 22:38:23 <adz>	anyone still up? ;)
Nov 30 22:38:39 <annah>	heya
Nov 30 22:38:41 <annah>	only just
Nov 30 22:38:50 <pabs>	yup
Nov 30 22:39:41 <adz>	did i miss any big decitions or revelations? ;)
Nov 30 22:40:16 <pabs>	I'm gonna post summary tomorrow
Nov 30 22:40:28 <pabs>	plus the fscking huge logs
Nov 30 22:40:36 <adz>	sorry running around tying up loose ends for soob
Nov 30 22:40:47 <pabs>	s'ok
Nov 30 22:41:19 <pabs>	sorry, I forgot where u r from, bris right?
Nov 30 22:41:29 <annah>	hey i got a quick question for geek knowhow re. a php site that won't pass session variables between pages
Nov 30 22:41:42 <annah>	if anyone has the time to give an opinion, quickly
Nov 30 22:41:47 <annah>	i know its off topic
Nov 30 22:41:48 <pabs>	i do....
Nov 30 22:41:51 <and>	annah, i am reading old logs, were you previously spanna?
Nov 30 22:41:58 <annah>	yus i was and
Nov 30 22:42:06 <and>	ok
Nov 30 22:42:09 <annah>	cool pabs
Nov 30 22:42:17 <pabs>	there is something in the php.ini: global_register_something
Nov 30 22:42:30 <pabs>	that'll probly be the problem
Nov 30 22:42:35 <annah>	the www.beyondtv.org site is hosted in london, the site won't get logins happening probly
Nov 30 22:42:41 <pabs>	:(
Nov 30 22:42:42 <annah>	the mirror on a server in ireland does
Nov 30 22:42:44 <annah>	work
Nov 30 22:42:55 <pabs>	can you put in a .htaccess?
Nov 30 22:43:06 <annah>	jeezz....... whats that!
Nov 30 22:43:08 <pabs>	might be able to add it there
Nov 30 22:43:24 <pabs>	configuration for a single directory
Nov 30 22:43:31 <pabs>	apache stuff
Nov 30 22:43:54 <annah>	ok, i'll mail the discussion along to the dude responsible
Nov 30 22:44:04 <annah>	could i send him your email address for advice?
Nov 30 22:44:09 <pabs>	need to put php_flag register_globals on in it
Nov 30 22:44:18 <pabs>	yeah, sure pabs@cat.org.au
Nov 30 22:44:22 <annah>	is a web video distribution project, all very right on
Nov 30 22:44:29 <annah>	THANKS HEAPS!
Nov 30 22:44:32 <pabs>	s'cool
Nov 30 22:44:40 <pabs>	hey and, you still in?
Nov 30 22:44:43 <adz>	yeah... 
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Nov 30 22:44:57 <pabs>	adz: barry?
Nov 30 22:45:08 <adz>	involved with www.killyourtv.us and bris indymedia sometimes...
Nov 30 22:45:22 <adz>	no not barry, adam as in cheesegrate
Nov 30 22:45:30 <adz>	pabs melb?
Nov 30 22:48:05 <annah>	and: (web video oceania) another option
Nov 30 22:48:18 <annah>	is to use a new frontend for the beyondtv site
Nov 30 22:48:30 <annah>	with oceania tags on the oceania items
Nov 30 22:48:48 <annah>	its got 230 or so videos in the database now
Nov 30 22:49:11 ---	You are now known as pabs_
Nov 30 22:49:12 <annah>	i'd like to tell mickfuzz about howto do the rss thing
Nov 30 22:49:20 <annah>	know where i can get more info?
Nov 30 22:49:56 <annah>	cos in this way we could use both databases.......
Nov 30 22:50:06 <annah>	on the same page?
Nov 30 22:50:13 <annah>	i guess it just ain't that easy..
Nov 30 22:50:18 <and>	be good to be able to pull up the oceania vids already in the beyond tv database
Nov 30 22:50:27 <annah>	uhuh, yeh
Nov 30 22:50:30 <and>	i don't know how to do it
Nov 30 22:50:36 <and>	email ngv
Nov 30 22:50:38 <annah>	what does the btv database have to do 
Nov 30 22:50:45 <annah>	to spit out the rightstuff?/
Nov 30 22:50:56 <annah>	fuck i haven't got the vocab for this shit
Nov 30 22:51:07 <annah>	right shall do
Nov 30 22:51:13 <annah>	whats their email again, i'll do it now
Nov 30 22:51:41 <and>	don't know it's on the site
Nov 30 22:51:48 <annah>	k
Nov 30 22:51:49 <and>	syndication is the future :)
Nov 30 22:52:00 <pabs_>	or something like that
Nov 30 22:52:34 <annah>	i was wondering what the future held, thanx and ;)
Nov 30 22:53:19 <annah>	but i'm sure yr right
Nov 30 22:53:25 <annah>	:)
Nov 30 22:53:34 <and>	it's all about sharing :)
Nov 30 22:53:57 <annah>	hey thats neat :)
Nov 30 22:54:13 ---	You are now known as pabs
Nov 30 22:54:43 <pabs>	and: look out for imc.p2p on the horizon
Nov 30 22:54:47 <annah>	hey- is oceania indymedia thinking about having more editorial at any stage
Nov 30 22:54:59 <and>	yes, imcp2p is also the future
Nov 30 22:54:59 <annah>	hey yeh pabs, more info on that?
Nov 30 22:55:06 <pabs>	just an idea
Nov 30 22:55:10 <pabs>	as yet
Nov 30 22:55:17 <and>	oceania indymedi can do what ever it wants
Nov 30 22:55:18 *	pabs loves mir btw
Nov 30 22:55:22 <and>	the site is a bit slow
Nov 30 22:55:41 <annah>	the v2v thing has certainly got me excited bout p2p
Nov 30 22:55:46 <annah>	not that i wasn't already
Nov 30 22:55:46 <and>	but i'd rather start trying to use more sydnication before we start having to organise any kind of editorial stuff
Nov 30 22:56:53 <and>	i'm interesting in how a aus/oceania server could be set up as part of what seem to be emerging networks of video charing
Nov 30 22:57:04 <annah>	damn straight!!!!
Nov 30 22:57:09 <and>	which could then kick start more p2p stuff
Nov 30 22:57:12 <and>	work as the backbone
Nov 30 22:57:29 <annah>	theres rumours about a few projects that could fit in
Nov 30 22:57:33 <annah>	two from bris actually
Nov 30 22:57:39 <annah>	one associated with the uni
Nov 30 22:57:49 <and>	which uni?
Nov 30 22:57:52 <annah>	and one community server that ben from SOOB told me bout
Nov 30 22:58:02 <annah>	er U of Q i think
Nov 30 22:58:03 <and>	soob?
Nov 30 22:58:14 <annah>	straight out of brisbane
Nov 30 22:58:20 <pabs>	damn this log is gonna be long
Nov 30 22:58:21 <and>	what is?
Nov 30 22:58:24 <annah>	the fest this weekend that we're launching the newsreal at
Nov 30 22:58:37 <annah>	check out www.straightoutofbrisbane.com
Nov 30 22:58:48 <and>	shall we stop pabs? : )
Nov 30 22:59:07 <pabs>	no,no I was just saying
Nov 30 22:59:14 <annah>	one of my AV performance cohorts organises it
Nov 30 22:59:16 <pabs>	prolly won't summarise it alll
Nov 30 22:59:24 <and>	looks cool
Nov 30 22:59:25 <annah>	its like TINA but in brissy 
Nov 30 22:59:28 <annah>	and more local
Nov 30 22:59:41 <annah>	cos theres more going on in brisvegas 
Nov 30 22:59:45 <annah>	than nukesville
Nov 30 22:59:49 <annah>	i should know ;)
Nov 30 22:59:55 <and>	was saying also that media circus is dead as far as i can tell
Nov 30 23:00:02 <annah>	yeh....... that sux
Nov 30 23:00:08 <pabs>	what's v2v again peeps
Nov 30 23:00:10 <annah>	i saw alex
Nov 30 23:00:20 <annah>	n she said that shes moving to coober pedy
Nov 30 23:00:29 <annah>	and nik seems to be all suburban
Nov 30 23:00:31 <annah>	right now
Nov 30 23:00:33 <and>	yeah that crew has more or less had it's day i think
Nov 30 23:00:39 <and>	new network need to be made
Nov 30 23:00:45 <annah>	yeh.. 
Nov 30 23:00:47 <annah>	i'm up for it
Nov 30 23:00:51 <annah>	way up for it
Nov 30 23:00:55 <and>	no bad feeliings just ran out of energy
Nov 30 23:00:58 <and>	up for..?
Nov 30 23:01:04 <annah>	new network
Nov 30 23:01:09 <and>	yeah
Nov 30 23:01:10 <annah>	ya know
Nov 30 23:01:16 <and>	i think the oceania stuff is good.
Nov 30 23:01:37 <annah>	me too! way excited bout it
Nov 30 23:02:01 <pabs>	biotech is getting me excited too, as is oceania
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Nov 30 23:08:12 <and>	which i enjoy cause it leaves a lot of the anarcho-dogma behind :)
Nov 30 23:08:20 <adz>	yeah i saw a doco on rae tv ad berlusconi  recently on sbs. saying they wre forbinden to show anti war protests or use the word pacifist..  
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Nov 30 23:08:30 *	and is not an anarchist but "some of my best friends are anarchists"
Nov 30 23:08:32 ---	You are now known as pabs
Nov 30 23:09:35 <and>	on july conf, i hope to get back around late march/april
Nov 30 23:09:43 <pabs>	hey and, it's looking like thurs n fri for tech stuff if you still want me
Nov 30 23:09:57 <adz>	wow but you used to  identify as an anarchist b4 didin't you ? 
Nov 30 23:09:58 <and>	and am up for cranking on it if there are others in melb too (re-conf)
Nov 30 23:10:16 <and>	no, i have never called myself an anarchist
Nov 30 23:10:34 <and>	i thought about it once but changed my mind
Nov 30 23:10:45 <pabs>	what then and?
Nov 30 23:10:46 <and>	thurs/fri could be good pabs
Nov 30 23:10:48 <annah>	on july conf- i can't start til june
Nov 30 23:11:01 <and>	cause of uni?
Nov 30 23:11:04 <annah>	i finish my nextwave project mid_May then i need a holiday
Nov 30 23:11:16 <annah>	an audiovisual theatre performance
Nov 30 23:11:17 <annah>	thing
Nov 30 23:11:23 <adz>	totally agree on the dogma and the rejection of 'ists' and 'isms', in fact indentifying to any one set of beliefs or a group is prob bad,,, 
Nov 30 23:11:38 <pabs>	anyway dudes, I'll be back in 15
Nov 30 23:11:51 <adz>	nextwave , is marcus involved with that tooo? it's another one of those crazy festivals isin't it? 
Nov 30 23:11:52 <and>	we'll talk more bout tech later pabs
Nov 30 23:12:00 <pabs>	k
Nov 30 23:12:02 <annah>	its called 'electric dreams' ....and is bout artists/media/theremin/eurovisionsongcontest
Nov 30 23:12:15 <annah>	yeh marcus is the artistic director
Nov 30 23:12:22 <annah>	which sometimes gives me the shits ;)
Nov 30 23:12:23 <adz>	hehe
Nov 30 23:12:25 <pabs>	thats a song lyric
Nov 30 23:12:25 <and>	are there others in melb interested anna?
Nov 30 23:12:27 <annah>	lord love im
Nov 30 23:12:54 <annah>	interested in helping iwth meeting?
Nov 30 23:12:57 <and>	yes
Nov 30 23:13:02 <adz>	hehe, last time i talked to him he was trying to change corporate governance structures.
Nov 30 23:13:07 ---	You have been invited to #indymedia by jb (che.indymedia.org)
Nov 30 23:13:10 <annah>	dunno but grubby outta melb indy is v. into the video thing
Nov 30 23:13:12 <and>	did anyone talk about it in the melb indy meeting
Nov 30 23:13:30 <and>	they have been quite when i have sent it to the list
Nov 30 23:13:31 <annah>	uh nope
Nov 30 23:13:44 <and>	if you see them maybe sus it out
Nov 30 23:13:45 <annah>	but i've only made it to one cos i work that night
Nov 30 23:13:48 <annah>	yeh i will
Nov 30 23:13:51 <and>	cool
Nov 30 23:14:07 <annah>	i'm sure they'd be up for it to some degree at least
Nov 30 23:14:14 <adz>	so whatta i miss, there's goin to be a melbourne newsreal? that sounds cool
Nov 30 23:14:22 <annah>	specially if we did some co-fundraising events
Nov 30 23:14:31 <annah>	er no
Nov 30 23:14:45 <annah>	just a melbourne organised one- the one u know about
Nov 30 23:15:08 <annah>	but i'm trying to get the melb indymedias more involved
Nov 30 23:15:09 <and>	be good to do a screening of the newsreel in melbs also
Nov 30 23:15:13 <annah>	to be linking up
Nov 30 23:15:21 *	and is full of suggestions for someone on the otherside of the world
Nov 30 23:15:25 <annah>	yeh, we'll do one probly early next year at this rate
Nov 30 23:15:29 <annah>	:)
Nov 30 23:15:34 <annah>	thats a good thing and!
Nov 30 23:15:43 <and>	no, it's frustrating actually
Nov 30 23:15:47 <and>	i have too many ideas
Nov 30 23:15:51 <annah>	well come on home!!!!!
Nov 30 23:15:58 <annah>	:)
Nov 30 23:15:58 <and>	and probably think too much about aus
Nov 30 23:16:06 <and>	few more months
Nov 30 23:16:14 <and>	wanna get a few more things done
Nov 30 23:16:17 <annah>	yupyupyup
Nov 30 23:16:27 <and>	maybe do a doco about italy media activism
Nov 30 23:16:36 <annah>	shit yeah.
Nov 30 23:16:51 <adz>	mmm
Nov 30 23:16:52 <and>	communication conflict
Nov 30 23:16:57 <and>	etc.
Nov 30 23:17:32 <annah>	adam and i were thinking bout writing an article - a roundup of video web distro projects, and a look to the future
Nov 30 23:17:42 <annah>	looks like yr better positioned for that p'raps?
Nov 30 23:17:48 <annah>	yr living the research
Nov 30 23:18:04 <and>	i can help with some
Nov 30 23:18:10 <annah>	cool
Nov 30 23:18:25 <and>	re-ngv/telestreet/v2v/highnoon etc.
Nov 30 23:18:27 <annah>	well its not gonna happen anytime soon in any case..
Nov 30 23:18:31 <annah>	for sure!
Nov 30 23:18:48 <annah>	pabs may have things to add re: indy p2p
Nov 30 23:18:50 <and>	i am hoping to do a lot of documenting at wsis
Nov 30 23:18:55 <annah>	tops
Nov 30 23:19:28 <adz>	wsis? 
Nov 30 23:19:32 <and>	you should hassle adam about dong some design for you
Nov 30 23:19:40 <annah>	well yeh!
Nov 30 23:19:43 <and>	wsis geneva03.org
Nov 30 23:19:47 <annah>	he did offer....
Nov 30 23:19:49 <and>	he is very good but busy
Nov 30 23:20:10 <and>	i was gunna do an oceania gif then noticed adam said something so was waiting to see
Nov 30 23:20:19 <annah>	i might get a studio at irene next year
Nov 30 23:20:29 <annah>	would make things easier for all that
Nov 30 23:20:29 <and>	for doing what?
Nov 30 23:20:54 <annah>	i'm sick of living with my studio
Nov 30 23:21:04 <annah>	i mainly do AV production for performance at the mo
Nov 30 23:21:06 <and>	am up for a collaborative space
Nov 30 23:21:12 <annah>	hey rad1
Nov 30 23:21:15 <and>	also prefer not to be in tradeshall
Nov 30 23:21:26 <annah>	well theres no indymedia plan to be there anymore
Nov 30 23:21:28 <adz>	are u talking about me or melb adam?
Nov 30 23:21:37 <annah>	and in fact, they wanna chuck out SKATV!!
Nov 30 23:21:48 <annah>	gave them three weeks notice to move out of their rooms
Nov 30 23:21:50 <annah>	bastards
Nov 30 23:21:54 <annah>	over xmas
Nov 30 23:21:56 <adz>	ouch
Nov 30 23:22:01 <and>	really?
Nov 30 23:22:02 <annah>	they're negotiating
Nov 30 23:22:06 <annah>	yes really
Nov 30 23:22:15 <and>	so they should move to irene
Nov 30 23:22:27 <annah>	i think they've bin offered shittier rooms at tradeshall
Nov 30 23:22:33 <and>	sorry, adam melb, you are adz :)
Nov 30 23:22:33 <annah>	but poss for more rent
Nov 30 23:22:39 <annah>	yeh.. i reckon they should
Nov 30 23:22:52 <annah>	but i don't think SKACOM think so
Nov 30 23:23:00 <annah>	but they could be convinced
Nov 30 23:23:07 <annah>	specially if they get squeezed more
Nov 30 23:23:07 <and>	there might be other cool spaces
Nov 30 23:23:18 <annah>	thing is they need space with a more permanent feel
Nov 30 23:23:22 <annah>	irene ain't that
Nov 30 23:23:31 <and>	but i never like the fact that you have to walk past the communist party office with a poicture of stalin to go to the ska office
Nov 30 23:23:31 <annah>	they are way sick of moving
Nov 30 23:23:50 <annah>	yeh.. tru but then i think its kinda cute to get called comrade
Nov 30 23:23:54 <and>	yes irene is permanent temporariness
Nov 30 23:24:08 <annah>	yes....
Nov 30 23:24:58 <annah>	yeh i'd like to situate myself closer to peeps doing media stuff
Nov 30 23:25:03 <and>	also i sent the email discussion about compression to my friend in ngv/candida
Nov 30 23:25:08 <annah>	multimedia peeps are boring
Nov 30 23:25:15 <and>	she said everything you (anna) said was right
Nov 30 23:25:18 <annah>	for getting studios with
Nov 30 23:25:34 <annah>	yeh
Nov 30 23:25:47 <annah>	i've done a bunch of it i tells ya
Nov 30 23:25:49 <and>	as people were checking as to how to do compression
Nov 30 23:26:05 <and>	there is a wokshop here soon about compression
Nov 30 23:26:11 <annah>	great
Nov 30 23:26:14 <and>	but it's on italian time
Nov 30 23:26:21 <and>	so it's already 2 hours late
Nov 30 23:26:24 <annah>	oh is it online
Nov 30 23:26:34 <and>	no no, here where i am now
Nov 30 23:26:43 <annah>	i'd like to do a face2face workshop at our miniconf
Nov 30 23:26:45 <and>	they are doing a weekend of media workshops
Nov 30 23:26:51 <annah>	yeh cool
Nov 30 23:27:09 <annah>	compression can be confusing
Nov 30 23:27:21 <annah>	but its quite fascinating, the techniques they use..
Nov 30 23:27:27 <annah>	well, u know
Nov 30 23:27:31 *	pabs returns
Nov 30 23:27:33 <adz>	especially when u are comparing... 
Nov 30 23:27:48 <annah>	comparing codecs?
Nov 30 23:28:53 <annah>	hey y'all this is cool
Nov 30 23:29:06 <annah>	but i should really get some sleep soon
Nov 30 23:29:24 <and>	what is the time in melbs?
Nov 30 23:29:27 <annah>	have i passed on enuf info bout newsreal?
Nov 30 23:29:32 <adz>	yeah and data rates.. trying to get the perfect balance between size and quality
Nov 30 23:29:34 <annah>	its like 230am.. not too bad 
Nov 30 23:29:36 <and>	i think so
Nov 30 23:29:38 <annah>	but work tomoz etc.
Nov 30 23:29:58 <and>	it all sounds good
Nov 30 23:30:04 <and>	stuff is happening
Nov 30 23:30:07 <annah>	definately adz, we can talk codecs over XXXX in briz! thats nerd, not even geek ;)
Nov 30 23:30:17 <annah>	yeh for sure
Nov 30 23:30:19 <and>	maybe just keep the melb collective up to date etc
Nov 30 23:30:36 <annah>	i'm excited that kill you rtv can develop the idea further 
Nov 30 23:30:45 <annah>	now that its off the ground
Nov 30 23:30:55 <annah>	and each collective can inject their own flavour
Nov 30 23:31:01 <annah>	and quite individual production style
Nov 30 23:31:05 <annah>	into the pot
Nov 30 23:31:22 <pabs>	a side note: we should think about covering sos properly if we are gonna be there, make a doco too
Nov 30 23:31:25 <annah>	yeh, i'll try and hook in more with melb indy
Nov 30 23:32:14 <adz>	mmm, we got a 3/4 page article in arts section about killyourtv  in the murdoch  courier mail which was very ironic... ;)
Nov 30 23:32:26 <and>	all good. i need a break too from the computer
Nov 30 23:32:30 <and>	that's cool
Nov 30 23:32:36 <and>	or was the article really bad
Nov 30 23:32:37 <and>	?
Nov 30 23:32:45 <annah>	really? infiltrators!
Nov 30 23:32:59 <adz>	hey and are u still into  settiin up stuff in png/etc etc?
Nov 30 23:33:14 <adz>	nah it was pretty good, an freelancer dude wrote it.
Nov 30 23:33:19 <and>	ahh, we'll see when i get back
Nov 30 23:33:22 <annah>	right then
Nov 30 23:33:33 <annah>	i'll check logs later on
Nov 30 23:33:33 <adz>	he jokingly said he was going to leave the country ewhen it got published.... 
Nov 30 23:33:34 <and>	but yeah there is a guy who wants to set up a cyber cafe there
Nov 30 23:33:37 <annah>	bye for now
Nov 30 23:33:48 <adz>	when are u getting to bris annah?
Nov 30 23:33:54 <annah>	i'll pop in to this channel more often in future
Nov 30 23:34:03 <annah>	i'm coming up thurs lunchtime
Nov 30 23:34:05 <and>	not necessarily an indymedia but it doesn't have to be
Nov 30 23:34:19 <and>	but someway to get news out and provide resouces for people
Nov 30 23:34:20 <adz>	absolutly not... 
Nov 30 23:34:21 <annah>	tims coming up tomoz hey
Nov 30 23:34:24 <and>	it could be really good
Nov 30 23:34:32 <and>	but first melb indy needs to get a space
Nov 30 23:34:38 <annah>	we should all meet up b4 the launch
Nov 30 23:34:46 <annah>	could u email me your phoneno?
Nov 30 23:34:49 <and>	then we can get to helping others
Nov 30 23:34:56 <annah>	i give u a bell when i'm in town
Nov 30 23:35:32 <adz>	i don't think a internet/computer access space in the first world cities in nesarciarly a top priority but then i'm jaded and cynical
Nov 30 23:35:47 <adz>	o.k u got a place to stay annah?
Nov 30 23:35:56 <and>	not an access space, but a place for the collective to work
Nov 30 23:36:06 <and>	i also don't think access spaces are a priority
Nov 30 23:36:18 <and>	the livrary does a much better job than we do in aus
Nov 30 23:36:31 <annah>	i gotta place thurs/fri nights, after that u got room at yours mebbe?
Nov 30 23:36:32 <and>	but creating a different kind of space is important
Nov 30 23:36:45 <and>	and having a space to work collectivly is also very cool
Nov 30 23:37:14 <and>	anyway, enough ranting. i''m getting off the computer for a bit
Nov 30 23:37:20 <adz>	yeah a production lab for 'likeminded' people as opposed to lofty ideals of 'public' access whic his what was attempted 3 times in bris and failed
Nov 30 23:37:28 ---	You are now known as pabs__
Nov 30 23:37:33 <and>	and failed in melb too
Nov 30 23:37:45 <and>	but also did good stuff too
Nov 30 23:37:54 <annah>	still going in nukes.. cos its tied in with other things
Nov 30 23:38:00 <annah>	that might be the key
Nov 30 23:38:06 <annah>	octapod i mean
Nov 30 23:38:10 *	and thinks there needs to be a reassement of the idea of the public and open access
Nov 30 23:38:31 <and>	ok, def going now
Nov 30 23:38:33 <annah>	oh dear another topik!
Nov 30 23:38:42 <annah>	yeh time to get off
Nov 30 23:38:43 <and>	yeah, i'm outta here, i can't anymore
Nov 30 23:38:54 <and>	my eyes are burnt
Nov 30 23:38:56 <and>	bye bye bye
Nov 30 23:38:57 <annah>	cya  and, have fun over there
Nov 30 23:39:04 <adz>	o.k mebbe see u guys on here again..
Nov 30 23:39:06 <adz>	see u dude! 
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Nov 30 23:39:20 <annah>	so adz i'll probly see u in briz, if i don't get yr no. 
Nov 30 23:39:29 <annah>	be cool to hang with u lot!
Nov 30 23:39:41 <annah>	amongst all the activities
Nov 30 23:39:42 <pabs__>	so, you 2 gonna drop in more often?
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Nov 30 23:40:08 <annah>	hey adz u should come to our SPOOLE gig at the powerhouse friday night
Nov 30 23:40:13 <adz>	yeah totally forgot this place since the last mammoth indyglobal irc meet... 
Nov 30 23:40:24 <annah>	was meant to be pimmon etc. but they all dropped out
Nov 30 23:40:26 <annah>	us n ben frost
Nov 30 23:40:35 <adz>	o.k .... fridays night i havenothing on.... 
Nov 30 23:40:53 <adz>	32543383, 0405721136
Nov 30 23:40:53 <adz>	u?
Nov 30 23:41:09 <annah>	0422 976046
Nov 30 23:41:10 <adz>	def pabs
Nov 30 23:41:11 <annah>	:)
Nov 30 23:41:21 <annah>	for sure pabs, i''ll be checkin in
Nov 30 23:41:22 <pabs__>	cool
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Nov 30 23:42:43 <adz>	well i missed most of this meeting... doh!
Nov 30 23:42:49 <annah>	nice to meet yuz, that i haven't chatted to b4
Nov 30 23:42:58 <AssChapel>	hi..
Nov 30 23:43:05 <annah>	g'night all
Nov 30 23:43:12 <pabs2414234>	adz: logs up tom
Nov 30 23:43:24 <annah>	bye
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Nov 30 23:43:44 <adz>	hello
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Nov 30 23:47:17 <adz>	o.k have to go too see u lata pabs and all
Nov 30 23:49:48 <pabs2414234>	cya later