Mar 17 18:04:33 finn! Mar 17 18:04:45 wow, all the nzers are returning Mar 17 18:04:48 hi Mar 17 18:05:03 heh Mar 17 18:05:03 how's things? Mar 17 18:05:11 good Mar 17 18:05:44 bit braindead though Mar 17 18:05:48 tooo much pizza Mar 17 18:05:54 to much alcohol? Mar 17 18:05:59 ah Mar 17 18:06:07 not tonite :) Mar 17 18:06:14 hehe Mar 17 18:06:26 how are you? Mar 17 18:07:14 yeah, good Mar 17 18:07:40 looks like the oceania meetup is actually happening? Mar 17 18:08:03 yeah, just no irc meetings Mar 17 18:08:57 how many ppl are organising in melb? Mar 17 18:09:21 and when he gets back, takver, anna (in july) Mar 17 18:09:31 and one or two other mim ppl Mar 17 18:09:42 hmm Mar 17 18:09:54 there are probably more, not sure Mar 17 18:10:05 ok Mar 17 18:10:09 should be just enough Mar 17 18:10:14 if they are keen Mar 17 18:10:21 be good to see and again Mar 17 18:10:28 indeed Mar 17 18:10:35 not sure when he is back tho Mar 17 18:10:43 * zl2tod opens an eye Mar 17 18:11:28 i'm finally getting around to the nz dada upgrade Mar 17 18:11:44 just had to finsh of 4 other sites first ... Mar 17 18:11:52 and recover Mar 17 18:12:58 wave at rosie for me :) Mar 17 18:13:07 sure Mar 17 18:13:22 shes downstairs watching ninjatunes on tv Mar 17 18:13:41 finn: sounds like fun, wanna do adelaide & jakarta too ;) Mar 17 18:14:48 *finn* heh, the thought did cross my mind .. Mar 17 18:15:02 *finn* I'm trying to suppress it though Mar 17 18:15:17 *finn* do you know what versions of active they are running? Mar 17 18:15:41 >finn< heh, nope, but it is an older one, with some patches i think Mar 17 18:19:41 plane tickets are cheap these days .. Mar 17 18:20:12 so this means you'll be coming to melb? Mar 17 18:20:26 yes Mar 17 18:20:31 cool Mar 17 18:20:34 i *really* need to leave the country Mar 17 18:20:47 i think I know everyone here :) Mar 17 18:21:23 just need to sort some time off for clare Mar 17 18:21:42 :) Mar 17 18:25:16 do you know if there's anyone in indonesia doing ed work? Mar 17 18:25:22 or anything? Mar 17 18:25:33 I can't see any indonesian articles Mar 17 18:25:54 dunno, but dan's mail sed the ed collective was functioning Mar 17 18:26:48 --> fluve has joined #oceania Mar 17 18:27:06 hmm, life: Mar 17 18:27:13 http://jakarta.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2133&group=webcast Mar 17 18:28:15 hey fluve Mar 17 18:28:52 Is that tim from brisbane? Mar 17 18:29:20 me? im from melb Mar 17 18:29:22 hey pabs Mar 17 18:30:02 ah ok Mar 17 18:30:21 hi anyway :) Mar 17 18:30:36 yr into helping with the conf aren't you fluve Mar 17 18:30:47 what do you need done? Mar 17 18:31:39 www.memes.org runs a story saying the explosives used in madrid were US made and the whole site gets pulled within a few hours Mar 17 18:32:16 fluve: just general organising stuff Mar 17 18:33:25 finn: hmm, i guess not Mar 17 18:33:38 well id be happy to come along, be a young 'un might have school though Mar 17 18:34:16 ah, k Mar 17 18:34:34 i forgot you don't go to mim meetings yet Mar 17 18:34:57 before the 20th july i should be right, so might be able to make it to a few days Mar 17 18:35:36 cool Mar 17 18:35:41 whats the situation with indymedia in china? banned? Mar 17 18:37:04 the imc-china list looks dead except for spam Mar 17 18:37:34 ok, highly likely that ill be in china for all of next year Mar 17 18:37:38 other than that i dunno Mar 17 18:37:50 oh, interesting Mar 17 18:38:18 --> Comrade_J has joined #oceania Mar 17 18:38:24 hey comrade Mar 17 18:38:39 --> halo has joined #oceania Mar 17 18:38:49 hey zl2tod :) Mar 17 18:38:53 welcome back Mar 17 18:39:20 --> takver has joined #oceania Mar 17 18:39:32 wow Mar 17 18:39:39 this is quite a gathering Mar 17 18:39:54 time for an irc meeting i think! Mar 17 18:40:04 heh i was about to say the same thin Mar 17 18:40:08 thing even Mar 17 18:40:10 why not Mar 17 18:40:11 --- pabs gives channel operator status to takver Mar 17 18:40:24 u there takver? Mar 17 18:40:26 i could get clare out of bed ! Mar 17 18:40:30 :) Mar 17 18:40:44 I'm here - busy in here Mar 17 18:40:52 oh Mar 17 18:40:54 i don't think she' Mar 17 18:40:55 heya halo :) Mar 17 18:41:01 she's going anywhere heheh Mar 17 18:41:19 didn't quite make it down as far as dunedin Mar 17 18:42:09 hello all Mar 17 18:42:13 where did you get to then? Mar 17 18:42:19 evening Mar 17 18:43:43 if you guys wanna start a meeting, go ahead, i gotta eat for a bit tho Mar 17 19:00:47 <-- finn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 17 19:00:53 --> finn has joined #oceania Mar 17 19:00:54 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to finn Mar 17 19:01:34 Perhaps we need to discuss oceania conf in July? Mar 17 19:03:20 heh - that's a strange breed of geek Mar 17 19:04:12 ok Mar 17 19:04:29 whats been organised so far? Mar 17 19:05:04 organised..? Mar 17 19:05:11 hehhhehhahhaha Mar 17 19:05:16 dates - 16-18 July Mar 17 19:05:36 righto Mar 17 19:05:53 Come early and participate in Students for Sustainability conf Mar 17 19:06:13 yeah i reckon i'll be over for a month or so Mar 17 19:07:10 Probably use Irene warehouse on weekend. Mar 17 19:08:05 We need to fundraise for a ticket for Jong from Manila IMC Mar 17 19:08:05 cool Mar 17 19:08:17 are there going to be enough beds in melb? Mar 17 19:08:38 any friendly squats around? Mar 17 19:08:45 initial quote for return trip for Jong $1022.16 Mar 17 19:08:59 unaware of squats Mar 17 19:09:13 we'll probably try to billet people Mar 17 19:10:39 is irene suitable for a sleepover? Mar 17 19:11:26 A few volunteer billets already....Irene, could possibly sleep at...would have to check. Mar 17 19:12:34 how was the melb imc meet on the 9th? is there much energy there Mar 17 19:13:16 IMC meets have varied - 3 one week, 7 or 8 the next Mar 17 19:13:32 Last meeting was 3 Mar 17 19:13:41 righto Mar 17 19:14:12 Reasonable energy, but a bit diffuse Mar 17 19:14:18 hmm yep Mar 17 19:14:26 sounds like us Mar 17 19:14:52 We expect And. back in April to give some added push to the conf organising Mar 17 19:15:57 that'd be good Mar 17 19:16:32 if/when I come over, I should be able to help out for a couple of weeks beforehand Mar 17 19:16:36 funds permitting Mar 17 19:17:35 that would be good Mar 17 19:19:08 it shouldn't be tooo much effort [he says from across the tasman] ... Mar 17 19:19:29 ... I guess the real effort is going to go into making it more than a meeting Mar 17 19:19:36 stuff like europe linkups Mar 17 19:19:40 public meetings etc Mar 17 19:19:57 we should make sure we have enough time Mar 17 19:20:25 the last one I went to lasted about 2 hours Mar 17 19:20:37 it was a crazy speed talking fest Mar 17 19:20:48 the loudest people won Mar 17 19:21:10 yep, 1-2 workshops at SfS conf, one public meeting, perhaps indy newsreal event, and .. Mar 17 19:21:27 more informal wkshops & meets for Indy people Mar 17 19:21:32 where is the myspinach server situated? Mar 17 19:21:46 Irene? no sure Mar 17 19:21:57 I was thinking that Mar 17 19:22:57 we really need to capitalise on sos for outreach stuff, and work on a general outreach/recruitment strategy Mar 17 19:23:14 and think of a better name for recuitment/outreach Mar 17 19:23:17 bah Mar 17 19:23:19 :) Mar 17 19:23:30 a feel we are shrinking Mar 17 19:23:31 Thats whu we need to have a presence, do workshops at their conf Mar 17 19:23:43 yep Mar 17 19:24:36 just to promote doing reports on the newswire Mar 17 19:24:54 but would be good to get more ppl involved Mar 17 19:24:56 * pabs reads backlog Mar 17 19:25:32 just started Mar 17 19:25:49 * finn needs more sugar for brain .. Mar 17 19:26:40 takver: it'd be great if you & others could use the wiki for organising, so people can know how far the conf is organised Mar 17 19:27:16 sos or indy conference, pabs> Mar 17 19:27:18 ? Mar 17 19:27:22 just tried the docs.indymedia site - wiki is down Mar 17 19:27:24 indy Mar 17 19:27:31 oaky Mar 17 19:27:47 works for me takver Mar 17 19:28:37 working for me Mar 17 19:28:49 back up - I tried it 20 mins ago Mar 17 19:29:32 http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaConf2004 Mar 17 19:32:06 I have an old computer :) Mar 17 19:32:24 would be good Mar 17 19:32:56 to scrounge a few 'puters extra for Irene Mar 17 19:32:59 its about almost 10 years old Mar 17 19:33:23 I think Mar 17 19:33:50 my parents have an old 386 up for grabs.. ;) Mar 17 19:34:15 well, I have a 386 notebook which runs win 3.1 with a 110mb HD 4mb Ram Mar 17 19:34:38 but I thought something a little more powerful :) Mar 17 19:34:58 old pc = p133 48mb ram, 6gb hdd Mar 17 19:35:06 could run fluxbox or similar easily Mar 17 19:35:17 might do Mar 17 19:35:20 hmm I wonder if xfce4 would run Mar 17 19:35:38 a bit lousy though, cpu fan that is Mar 17 19:35:39 yep, browsers are a pain though Mar 17 19:35:50 with little ram at least Mar 17 19:35:51 *noisey though Mar 17 19:36:20 talk to compcoll Mar 17 19:37:14 re accom: predator said he knew of a squat/or something he could stay at Mar 17 19:37:25 great Mar 17 19:37:31 i'll see if i can find the email Mar 17 19:38:37 takver: do you know what sort of internet connection irene has? Mar 17 19:38:41 I don't think accom is going to be a prob. Mar 17 19:39:07 broadband with optus cable I think Mar 17 19:39:20 arh that would be sufficient for the tasks Mar 17 19:39:58 we might need an extra switch and cabling with xtra 'puters Mar 17 19:40:30 but we should be able to manage that. I'll get my teenager to assist ;) Mar 17 19:40:55 'I can sleep under the Como Hotel resort. Handy cheapaccom there.' Mar 17 19:40:58 * shayne here Mar 17 19:41:28 i read a comic once: Woman: "Honey, we should think about having a child." Man: "Yeah, I need someone to teach me how to use our computer." Mar 17 19:41:36 hheehe Mar 17 19:41:37 eh, i thought it mildly funny and real anyway. Mar 17 19:41:44 lol Mar 17 19:42:11 lal Mar 17 19:42:30 hey shayne Mar 17 19:42:47 hey Mar 17 19:42:55 I've got a hub Mar 17 19:43:48 make that 2 Mar 17 19:44:50 bbiab Mar 17 19:44:54 any fundraising suggestions? for jong? Mar 17 19:45:26 he will be coming to melb via japan (visiting his parents) Mar 17 19:45:59 news from Jong: the 8minutes and 35sec cinema verite of manila indymedia won as finalist Mar 17 19:45:59 in the INYORAI BIDYO FESTIVAL 2004 (documentary category) Mar 17 19:46:25 Hmm. Mar 17 19:46:31 cool Mar 17 19:46:36 Pabs: was there any oportunity to get SoS bux for em? Mar 17 19:46:38 via Japan: that would make the airfare a bit more expensive Mar 17 19:46:54 sounds like his folks have some dollas tho. Mar 17 19:47:20 shayne: seems we have to fundraise the whole lot Mar 17 19:47:24 (unless there some sorta filipino low paid imported workers) Mar 17 19:47:29 hmmm. Mar 17 19:47:43 I'm really not sure we can justify forking for the japan leg.. Mar 17 19:48:32 The Japan leg really triples the cost Mar 17 19:48:42 why not just give him the dough for what would be a melb - indonesia Mar 17 19:48:49 return trip Mar 17 19:49:11 $1100 sounds possible, $3000 sounds impossible Mar 17 19:49:13 thats more aligned with my thinking. Mar 17 19:49:42 we can use the auspices of SofS to fundraise - but it's up to indymedia people to do it Mar 17 19:50:06 if we pay for anything it'll be return japan-melb Mar 17 19:50:27 dunno the cost of that tho Mar 17 19:52:19 * takver yawns as partner attenpts to drag him to bed Mar 17 19:53:04 any more questions before I depart? Mar 17 19:53:10 before you get dragged off: what's happening now. we're not forking out triple the cost, are we? Mar 17 19:53:37 I guess someone need s to contact Jong to clarify Mar 17 19:54:13 don't see why he should take advantage of our good-will to see his parents. Mar 17 19:54:28 nono Mar 17 19:54:29 We might be able to raise the cost of Manilla-melb return, or the equivalent to some other fare Mar 17 19:54:36 ok Mar 17 19:54:40 ChanServ Comrade_J Mar 17 19:54:44 but I don't think we can do more Mar 17 19:54:49 Comrade_J: he is covering manila-japan Mar 17 19:55:11 or his parents, not sure Mar 17 19:55:25 he'll be in japan just before the conf Mar 17 19:55:46 japan- melb might still be too expensive for us to raise Mar 17 19:55:53 when you say return, i've been assuming return is both ways. Mar 17 19:55:58 tokyo - melb return via qantas will be at least $1300 + taxes Mar 17 19:56:04 Comrade_J: yeah Mar 17 19:56:29 possible then Mar 17 19:57:21 time to put on brainstorm hats for fundraising... Mar 17 19:57:51 but if he lives in manila, why should we even consider covering tokyo to melbourne? how can that be justified? Mar 17 19:58:02 unless the travel cost is equivalent or cheaper. Mar 17 19:58:31 <-- halo has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Mar 17 19:59:23 --> halo has joined #oceania Mar 17 19:59:28 oops Mar 17 19:59:56 it seems to be cheaper from tokyo... Mar 17 19:59:58 wrong button Mar 17 20:00:07 interesting.. Mar 17 20:00:11 its a question of how much we want for Jong to attend, I think Mar 17 20:00:33 more travelled route probably Mar 17 20:01:58 zuji.com seems to be the site for airfares Mar 17 20:02:21 will they be doing any fundraising from his end? Mar 17 20:02:50 have to go... too many late nights Mar 17 20:03:04 <-- takver has quit (Quit: Bananas in Pyjamas take Takver away) Mar 17 20:04:45 halo: dunno Mar 17 20:05:23 in general the difference in price between a return flight from tokyo and manila is minimal Mar 17 20:08:12 i would have thought it should be a question of how much they want a representative at the conference too.. Mar 17 20:08:28 ya Mar 17 20:12:29 are the dimc people interested in coming down? Mar 17 20:12:50 dunno, would be good tho Mar 17 20:13:14 pabs: how many people are in collective so far? Mar 17 20:13:17 *in the Mar 17 20:13:55 not sure, but there are maybe five or so i think, hmm Mar 17 20:14:08 i'd havta ask allan Mar 17 20:15:00 are they still in process or ? Mar 17 20:15:37 getting there, don't think they are in newimc yet Mar 17 20:15:52 site & email list are up tho Mar 17 20:16:12 shayne: do you know anything about configparser? Mar 17 20:17:11 are aus ppl gonna need fundraising to get down too? Mar 17 20:19:09 perthites hava general sos fundraising thing we can get into Mar 17 20:19:19 cool Mar 17 20:19:32 dunno abut adelaide, east coast Mar 17 20:19:44 i imagine darwin -> melb is a bit of a mission too Mar 17 20:20:16 ya, though they have a train like we do now Mar 17 20:20:24 darwin -> adelaide -> melb Mar 17 20:20:41 yeah the Ghan comes to melbourne Mar 17 20:20:42 that was a few hundred iirc Mar 17 20:21:16 * brain_fear sadly has a knowledge of trains and so on Mar 17 20:22:05 oww Mar 17 20:22:23 i hope they get free tranquilisers for the trip Mar 17 20:22:33 lol Mar 17 20:22:55 hehe Mar 17 20:23:22 the worst part was not being allowed to sleep in the lounge area Mar 17 20:25:42 anyone know if SoS rego is free for overseas ppl/organisers? Mar 17 20:26:02 yeah, that happens on the spirit of tassie too Mar 17 20:26:24 do not travel in the day time, so much sea Mar 17 20:27:07 finn: not sure, maybe james/takver will ask the sos people Mar 17 20:28:08 Comrade_J: ?// Mar 17 20:31:03 well, i'm off to have some more food, bbiab Mar 17 20:31:11 yeah, i will pass the message onto takver. Mar 17 20:31:27 he should know