ࡱ> 68345@ djbjbܡܡ *^l Q        QQQQQQQ,R T`Q     QXP   XPXPXP /  QXPJ QXPRXPQQ|{ 5LQQQQQWUXPWUQXPNov 08 16:13:21 --- ngaur gives channel operator status to fluffy Nov 08 16:13:43 y0 wowi :) Nov 08 16:13:53 hullo Nov 08 16:14:22 shall we give it another 5min? Nov 08 16:14:38 then begin with intros? Nov 08 16:14:47 --> fluff (cgiirc@bri-pr3.tpgi.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:14:49 can we wait till 7.20? Nov 08 16:14:52 yes.. we need some adelaide representation Nov 08 16:15:03 sure, i'm easy :) Nov 08 16:15:15 * wowi has no problems with that Nov 08 16:15:20 fluff: you might try a more stable client - change the software to pjirc Nov 08 16:16:20 * ferret dances with wowi Nov 08 16:16:47 I'm shaun from bimc. I want to know why my e-mail and requests to join the oceania list have been blocked. Nov 08 16:17:24 I want to know why kimk is allowed in oceania even though she is not in an imc, Nov 08 16:17:50 fluff: when this meeting was proposed, it was stated that bimc stuff would be last on the agenda if discussed at all Nov 08 16:17:50 and why takver and kimk can still discuss bimc in oceania but kimci got kicked out Nov 08 16:18:08 Not that it's not important, but there's a lot of other stuff Nov 08 16:18:34 * halo-mtg agrees with ngaur Nov 08 16:18:50 last? any idea how long? if you deal with my complaint first I'll get out of your hair? Nov 08 16:19:19 No guarantees. It's not the reason for this meeting Nov 08 16:19:36 * wowi agree with halo-mtg and ngaur and dances with ferret Nov 08 16:19:37 :) Nov 08 16:19:44 who's facilitating? Nov 08 16:20:01 not me, and not fluff ;-) Nov 08 16:20:12 not me :P Nov 08 16:20:19 hey.. aren't you saving babies!/ Nov 08 16:20:23 :) Nov 08 16:20:32 wowi, do you have the the url for the meeting agenda wiki? Nov 08 16:20:33 i will if needs be. Nov 08 16:20:41 yes.. Nov 08 16:20:48 my agenda item is on the wiki Nov 08 16:21:28 * halo-mtg wouldn't mind having a looksee Nov 08 16:21:32 http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaMeeting7 Nov 08 16:21:36 ta Nov 08 16:21:40 err, is there a link to it avail? Nov 08 16:21:42 np my dear :) Nov 08 16:21:48 thanx Nov 08 16:22:21 cool, why don't we follow it as posted, then? Nov 08 16:22:34 I read brisbane as at the end anyway Nov 08 16:22:50 sounds good Nov 08 16:23:16 ok then Nov 08 16:23:23 do people have a time-limit? Nov 08 16:23:26 I vote wowi for facilitator Nov 08 16:23:31 <-- fluffy has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 16:23:36 yay for me. Nov 08 16:23:43 * ferret grins Nov 08 16:23:51 report backs 2mins each Nov 08 16:23:59 --> kimk (cgiirc@c210-49-100-95.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:24:04 * halo-mtg proposes a break after an hour Nov 08 16:24:04 can i go first? Nov 08 16:24:12 halo-mtg: sounds good Nov 08 16:24:16 or, are there other sydney ppl here? Nov 08 16:24:18 --- pabs gives channel operator status to fluff kimk Nov 08 16:24:19 go please gdm-asb :) Nov 08 16:24:23 i;'m not sture how long i can stay Nov 08 16:24:28 go ahead. Nov 08 16:24:32 lets get started Nov 08 16:24:32 ahh, u want me to leave, wowi? Nov 08 16:24:38 <-- fluff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 16:24:40 hahah Nov 08 16:24:43 sydney: not had a meeting for quite a while... Nov 08 16:25:02 was thoughts of having one on irc as a number of ppl overseas/away Nov 08 16:25:08 --> fluff (cgiirc@bri-pr3.tpgi.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:25:09 that hasn't happened either yet... Nov 08 16:25:16 hi everyone, i'm a newbie at this so bear with... Nov 08 16:25:17 but next met might be next week Nov 08 16:25:20 aside from that, Nov 08 16:25:25 --> allan_X (~allanx@d220-236-98-240.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:25:32 made links with ppl for a venue for screenings Nov 08 16:25:35 i want to know why kimk is allowed in oceania when she is not in an imc. Nov 08 16:25:41 sydney: not had a meeting for quite a while... Nov 08 16:25:41 kimk: were doing imc report backs.. gdm-asb is speaking for sydney Nov 08 16:25:41 was thoughts of having one on irc as a number of ppl overseas/away Nov 08 16:25:42 --> fluff (cgiirc@bri-pr3.tpgi.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:25:42 that hasn't happened either yet... Nov 08 16:25:42 hi everyone, i'm a newbie at this so bear with... Nov 08 16:25:42 but next met might be next week Nov 08 16:25:43 aside from that, Nov 08 16:25:44 so should have fundraisers and newsreal screenings soon Nov 08 16:25:45 --> allan_X (~allanx@d220-236-98-240.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:25:52 fluffy, brisbane is last on the agenda Nov 08 16:25:56 greetings Nov 08 16:26:05 gdm-asb: type when you're done Nov 08 16:26:15 yeah, i'm waiting for popl to shut up Nov 08 16:26:17 i know that Nov 08 16:26:18 :) Nov 08 16:26:19 what has it got to do with brisbane? Nov 08 16:26:21 i know.. Nov 08 16:26:26 ok ok Nov 08 16:26:26 ferret: shuttup?! Nov 08 16:26:32 fluff: we're doing report backs Nov 08 16:26:38 rules: if you want to talk, type /me raise Nov 08 16:26:39 sorry: meant fluff ;-) Nov 08 16:26:44 --- pabs gives channel operator status to allan_X fluff Nov 08 16:26:44 * wowi asks that people fill in late comers in query Nov 08 16:26:45 then wowi can delegate Nov 08 16:26:57 ta halo-mtg Nov 08 16:26:59 ok, Nov 08 16:27:03 ic ontinue? Nov 08 16:27:08 yes please Nov 08 16:27:12 * shayne will be a little distant first hour btw. work Nov 08 16:27:14 sydney: meetings; films Nov 08 16:27:21 next up - codebase change Nov 08 16:27:23 * fluff raise Nov 08 16:27:29 there is still some discussion about this Nov 08 16:27:39 have decided on drupal at previous meeting Nov 08 16:27:40 <-- kimk has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 16:27:44 there is some work being made Nov 08 16:28:02 also another couple of codebases being looked at/set-up... Nov 08 16:28:11 partly for imc and partly for catalyst experimentation Nov 08 16:28:21 some features coming along Nov 08 16:28:22 --> kimk (cgiirc@c210-49-100-95.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:28:22 thats'about it Nov 08 16:28:25 Nov 08 16:28:28 fluff: unless it is related to sydney imc, can you pls speak after reportbacks? Nov 08 16:28:41 bimc is being bullied by MIMC and i am seeking support against their proposal to disaffiliate us. Nov 08 16:28:46 ok. Nov 08 16:28:53 --- ferret gives channel operator status to kimk Nov 08 16:28:54 * gdm-asb raises Nov 08 16:28:58 that is going to be discussed at length as an agenda item Nov 08 16:29:01 end Nov 08 16:29:08 gdm-asb Nov 08 16:29:16 don't worry Nov 08 16:29:26 ok.. melbourne? Nov 08 16:29:26 heya, sorry for my absence Nov 08 16:29:32 np :) Nov 08 16:29:42 ahh - sorry Nov 08 16:29:48 just wanna ask quicdly Nov 08 16:29:52 .. Nov 08 16:30:00 if ngaur/ferret wanna add tosydney report? Nov 08 16:30:07 sure Nov 08 16:30:10 if not, go on... Nov 08 16:30:28 not specifically on sydney Nov 08 16:30:40 ferret: ?? Nov 08 16:30:43 the code issues have some relevance to tasmedia Nov 08 16:30:57 not excatly an imc, but I could expand on that Nov 08 16:30:59 <-- fluff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 16:31:00 * ferret quietly watches proceedings from burrow Nov 08 16:31:03 shall we do a tasmedia report seperately, i'm sure and_ could add to that Nov 08 16:31:12 --> fluff (cgiirc@bri-pr3.tpgi.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:31:14 --> doll (~doll@ppp1439.adelaide.on.net.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:31:15 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to doll Nov 08 16:31:20 hi doll :) Nov 08 16:31:21 --- pabs gives channel operator status to fluff Nov 08 16:31:30 ok sydney done? Nov 08 16:31:34 yup Nov 08 16:31:41 "hi all...sorry to be late, adelaide just had its flesh mtg Nov 08 16:31:48 tasmedia then? Nov 08 16:31:54 np doll, welcome :) Nov 08 16:32:00 OK Nov 08 16:32:27 Tasmedia's been pretty quiet historically, but meeting more of late Nov 08 16:32:41 looking to change to drupal, mostly on the strength of sydney's decision Nov 08 16:33:03 which makes it a little frustrating when people are not entirely unified behind that direction Nov 08 16:33:30 --- wowi has changed the topic to: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaMeeting7 Nov 08 16:33:46 * shayne can help with drupal btw. I've got it sussed :) Nov 08 16:34:02 not too much else to say, but amongst the geeks, I think we need to get past deciding and start building a bit Nov 08 16:34:33 not too much else really. Tasmedia's pretty quiet Nov 08 16:34:42 and_: additions? Nov 08 16:34:58 umm.. sorry, someonce came and distracted me Nov 08 16:35:00 thanks ngaur :) Nov 08 16:35:02 i'm reading still Nov 08 16:36:41 ngaur: would an oceania geek meeting be something to propose? Nov 08 16:37:04 Maybe. I've also wondered about a drupal IMc development list Nov 08 16:37:25 i don't know anything about tasmedia Nov 08 16:37:28 drupal4imc or something like that. not an IMC itself Nov 08 16:37:51 ok.. i've written that idea down.. we shall wikify ;) Nov 08 16:37:54 perth: ? Nov 08 16:38:04 Yup. I've already made some module hacks. perth has been looking at drupal too Nov 08 16:38:12 http://drupal.perthimc.asn.au Nov 08 16:38:30 allan_X: did you have something ready? Nov 08 16:38:33 want perth report? Nov 08 16:38:36 yes please Nov 08 16:38:37 we had a recent adhoc film screening during artrage art festival - got more coming in december; had a fundraiser now halfway to a projector; lotsa features; attacked today by vicious trolls; perth indy recently been featured in AJA magazine; and forming affiliations with a Bunbury independent magazine [twot]; perth imc crew is crankin but needs more ourtreach; looks like a good affiliation to be made with ARTRAGE - a perth fringe-a Nov 08 16:39:03 lots more Nov 08 16:39:15 thats all i could think atm - got visitors Nov 08 16:39:24 anything to add pabs shayne ? Nov 08 16:39:26 Nov 08 16:39:29 :) Nov 08 16:39:58 * wowi asks that people ready their report back for pasting Nov 08 16:40:09 i'll add.. Nov 08 16:40:40 perth hasn't had a meeting for a while.. due to slackness and collective members being swamped with global/oceania Nov 08 16:40:51 but we're going well i think :) Nov 08 16:41:00 and we're working toward a projector Nov 08 16:41:08 Nov 08 16:41:28 shayne + pabs: ? Nov 08 16:41:33 yeah. Nov 08 16:41:47 :) perth imc cranx Nov 08 16:41:50 still slow work on Activismo code, while keeping a check on the options. Nov 08 16:41:52 :) Nov 08 16:42:04 um. no major dramas other than todays troll attack Nov 08 16:42:08 fun. Nov 08 16:42:10 end Nov 08 16:42:19 ok.. melbourne? Nov 08 16:42:20 * ferret congratulates perth on troll killing Nov 08 16:42:30 good lil oceangirl Nov 08 16:42:30 melbourne has been working on getting an n30 party happening, most if it seems to have fallen through now so we are just going to do a screening on n30, show the newsreal and some seattle footage. Nov 08 16:42:31 hassling sf-active crew to get logins Nov 08 16:42:31 lots of features going up Nov 08 16:42:31 doing an indymedia 101 day in nov 20 Nov 08 16:42:31 talk of doing a radio show but it hasn't happened yet Nov 08 16:42:32 we are managing to meet regularly but meetins aren't huge 4-6 people. Nov 08 16:42:48 we've also been lookingh at getting an office Nov 08 16:42:56 but not enough energy at the moment perhaps Nov 08 16:43:02 maybe after summer Nov 08 16:43:15 /end i think Nov 08 16:43:24 * wowi adds quietly that perth radio is cranking Nov 08 16:43:24 no other melb people here as far as i can see Nov 08 16:43:38 ok adelaide? Nov 08 16:43:50 oh we also made lots of t-shirts last week, they look great :) Nov 08 16:43:55 /end Nov 08 16:43:59 * wowi wants one pleasee Nov 08 16:44:01 :) Nov 08 16:44:06 me too Nov 08 16:44:10 adelaide imc mtg ev 2 weeks .. 6-6 ppl ... twaeking the site .. Nov 08 16:44:52 ..er.,.4 to 6 ed/tech crew ... looking at getting anew calendar function as a way of promoting the site for use by local activista Nov 08 16:45:22 talk of a fundraiser next year towards asia.pacific needs Nov 08 16:45:28 Nov 08 16:45:55 ok, nz kids? Nov 08 16:45:57 aotearoa: rolling along in our usual fashion ;) dunedin has lost it's doco screening venue due to evil capitalists. auckland and wellington screenings regular though. been busy keeping fascist threats of the newswire, but succeeding. getting lots of site visitors. finn has been swamped patching code, which he wasn't too impressed about :( think he's done now though. yay! Nov 08 16:46:25 halo, anything to add? Nov 08 16:46:27 thanks finn! for adelaide patches Nov 08 16:46:34 umm yeah Nov 08 16:46:48 talk of a radio project here in dunedin Nov 08 16:46:55 finn's been doing drupal stuff too. Talk is of using it for a calendar for aotearoa Nov 08 16:47:16 also, we now have two public-access puters here in dunedin set up for people to use for indymedia Nov 08 16:47:25 Nov 08 16:47:27 :) Nov 08 16:47:38 hrm, anyone we've missed? Nov 08 16:47:48 brisbane? Nov 08 16:47:49 brisbane? Nov 08 16:47:53 OK Nov 08 16:48:02 oops.. caps Nov 08 16:48:07 we had our recent fundraiser sabotaged by kimk rallying support for her disaffiliation proposal. Nov 08 16:48:17 bullshit Nov 08 16:48:22 STOP Nov 08 16:48:27 * wowi asks that people raise Nov 08 16:48:31 let fluff speak. Nov 08 16:48:37 i am seeking support against MIMC's proposal Nov 08 16:48:48 [sorry add: addition to perthbtw - http://www.rtrfm.com.au streams tuesday midnight perth time] Nov 08 16:49:00 anything else to report fluff ? Nov 08 16:49:14 we'll deal with mimc's proposal as per the agenda Nov 08 16:49:15 we are constantly busy defending ourselves Nov 08 16:49:35 end? Nov 08 16:49:36 i consider all these attacks to be a form of harrassment Nov 08 16:49:43 this is not a report back. Nov 08 16:49:45 end Nov 08 16:49:49 thankyou :) Nov 08 16:49:55 kimk: additions? Nov 08 16:50:20 kimk is not in an imc! Nov 08 16:50:40 * ngaur raise Nov 08 16:50:43 ngaur: Nov 08 16:50:56 pls speak :) Nov 08 16:50:59 neither is tasmedia Nov 08 16:50:59 fluff: we'll get to the stuff you're itching for Nov 08 16:51:05 this is an oceania meeting. Nov 08 16:51:08 fluff: meanwhile Nov 08 16:51:11 shayne: pls raise Nov 08 16:51:16 how about telling us about the site? Nov 08 16:51:20 kimk is brisbane, let her speak Nov 08 16:51:23 editorial process? Nov 08 16:51:24 etc Nov 08 16:51:28 i'm here for the video newreal stuff. as far as BIMC is concerned, i support dissafiliation. Nov 08 16:51:42 * claremarie raise Nov 08 16:51:43 kimk: we are doing report backs. Nov 08 16:51:45 claremarie: Nov 08 16:52:11 lets keep brisbane stuff out Nov 08 16:52:21 it wasn't on agenda, at least Nov 08 16:52:23 [raise] Nov 08 16:52:25 * and_ agrees as per meeting proposal Nov 08 16:52:27 can we keep it to the end Nov 08 16:52:34 end Nov 08 16:52:37 allan_X: Nov 08 16:52:49 is it possible to spend a little time oin bris Nov 08 16:52:53 ok. Nov 08 16:52:53 all i can report is that process have asked for adisafiliation deadline and MICM has given one. is that what you mean? Nov 08 16:52:55 b4 goin on Nov 08 16:53:08 we have agreed to discuss brisbane last. Nov 08 16:53:19 ok Nov 08 16:53:21 ok fair enuff Nov 08 16:53:29 just its eating into the meet' Nov 08 16:53:31 does brisbane have anything else to report apart from conflict? Nov 08 16:53:51 allan_X: sure. lets just finish report backs. Nov 08 16:54:06 Nov 08 16:54:29 hell yeah! i've got two films to contribute 4 the newsreal Nov 08 16:54:31 i've given my report back. end Nov 08 16:54:37 great :) Nov 08 16:54:40 ok.. Nov 08 16:54:43 * ngaur applauds Nov 08 16:54:52 jakarta if i may say a few things Nov 08 16:54:53 * ferret cheers Nov 08 16:55:14 <-- gdm-asb has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Nov 08 16:55:18 is plugging away, they have a new collective member and a tech type Nov 08 16:55:31 <-- fluff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 16:55:47 they are looking for a non dada code base.. which means they'll need external tech support Nov 08 16:56:02 they are filming something for newsreel :) Nov 08 16:56:13 cool Nov 08 16:56:18 cool Nov 08 16:56:22 burma: is rocking! Nov 08 16:56:29 they need laptops asap.. Nov 08 16:56:40 * shayne raises. Nov 08 16:56:41 hrm i suppose we're in the realm of the next agenda item Nov 08 16:56:48 shayne yes? Nov 08 16:56:58 allan x raise Nov 08 16:57:05 if burma are going pretty well, can we get them on the oceania indy site syndication? Nov 08 16:57:11 end Nov 08 16:57:22 * and_ raises Nov 08 16:57:30 and_ yes? Nov 08 16:57:35 ooh sorry Nov 08 16:57:39 allan_X first Nov 08 16:57:41 darwin imc crew got locked up last week Nov 08 16:57:47 :) Nov 08 16:57:48 ah yes! Nov 08 16:57:51 any news? Nov 08 16:57:53 now released Nov 08 16:57:55 --> pariah (cgiirc@203-217-2-138.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:57:58 Nov 08 16:58:03 spewak of the devil! Nov 08 16:58:08 :) Nov 08 16:58:10 darwin imc crew got locked up last week Nov 08 16:58:11 :) Nov 08 16:58:11 ah yes! Nov 08 16:58:11 any news? Nov 08 16:58:11 now released Nov 08 16:58:11 * pariah has joined #oceania Nov 08 16:58:11 Nov 08 16:58:13 spewak of the devil! Nov 08 16:58:15 from what i have seen of burna site they are not really near that phase and as pabs was saying better not to direct traffic until they are ready Nov 08 16:58:31 ok. Nov 08 16:58:36 and_: we'll talk more on tha tin a minute.. Nov 08 16:58:40 but as they have already been approved as am imc as soon as they say they want to be part of it i think it is fine Nov 08 16:58:40 darwin report back? Nov 08 16:58:42 pariah is mick or garry? Nov 08 16:59:14 hi - yeh we're theyr out n sueing the State :-) mick Nov 08 16:59:25 --- wowi gives channel operator status to pariah Nov 08 16:59:32 do you have a report back for darwin imc? Nov 08 16:59:59 ? Nov 08 17:00:35 we're reporting back on imc stuff since last meeting Nov 08 17:00:47 anything to report? Nov 08 17:00:51 just whats happening in your woods. Nov 08 17:00:51 OK Nov 08 17:01:22 cool - arrests were annoying is all Nov 08 17:01:35 anything else? Nov 08 17:01:51 about the site, how is it going etc. Nov 08 17:01:52 site/fundraisers/collective? Nov 08 17:02:06 no - we are goin fine - just pluggin in as guests Nov 08 17:02:18 cool :) Nov 08 17:02:22 your agenda Nov 08 17:02:31 shall we move onto agenda item 2? Nov 08 17:02:36 * ngaur raise Nov 08 17:02:41 it's on the wiki see topic pariah Nov 08 17:02:45 ngaur: yep Nov 08 17:02:53 just before moving on Nov 08 17:03:15 I should have said that there's an Inddependent Online publishing panel thing hapeneing down here as part of the fringe Nov 08 17:03:19 http://www.active.org.au/hobart/calendar/?display=zoom&event=222 Nov 08 17:03:25 great :) Nov 08 17:03:33 re: burma... i heard from my burmese friend ying tzarm at SWAN that dave from imc-burma US met her yesterday and got the shan youth media group excited about imc. Nov 08 17:03:36 Not specifically a tasmedia event, but plenty of input Nov 08 17:03:58 and some melbourne indy input too Nov 08 17:04:04 kimk: lets talk about burma in a sec. Nov 08 17:04:21 ngaur: end? Nov 08 17:04:25 done Nov 08 17:04:29 cool. Nov 08 17:04:40 ok now, agenda item 2 is one i set.. Nov 08 17:04:47 Asia Solidarity Nov 08 17:04:53 and there's a few things in that. Nov 08 17:04:57 oops Nov 08 17:05:04 *Asia-Pacific Solidarity Nov 08 17:05:09 kimk: ? Nov 08 17:05:43 lets finish discussing burma first. Nov 08 17:05:44 wowi: go on.. Nov 08 17:05:53 burma has got 2 stories.. Nov 08 17:06:03 indeed the site is no ready, but it'll be any day now Nov 08 17:06:07 that all i have :) Nov 08 17:06:12 they have ALOT of ngo interest Nov 08 17:06:19 and are very organised Nov 08 17:06:20 cool Nov 08 17:06:25 what they need are laptops Nov 08 17:06:37 and kimk's camera ;) Nov 08 17:06:53 which leads conveniently into a projest i've been working on. Nov 08 17:06:55 http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaAsia-PacificSolidarity Nov 08 17:06:59 oh yeah, i'm gonn give them my digital camer, but flotillas ppl have it at the mo' Nov 08 17:07:06 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:07:13 kimk: cool.. we'll send it when you get it Nov 08 17:07:15 and_: yes Nov 08 17:07:35 has burma said they would like to be syndicated on oceania? Nov 08 17:07:40 /end Nov 08 17:07:51 no. Nov 08 17:07:57 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:07:58 that is not what i'm talking about. Nov 08 17:08:01 yep Nov 08 17:08:09 oh, Nov 08 17:08:14 ? Nov 08 17:08:17 raise Nov 08 17:08:19 burma has not been asked Nov 08 17:08:20 i am geeting confused Nov 08 17:08:23 allan_X: yep Nov 08 17:08:24 can you ask them Nov 08 17:08:25 ? Nov 08 17:08:27 [gettin a burma imc is very massive - btw i have a little web cam they can have] Nov 08 17:08:27 sure Nov 08 17:08:33 great! Nov 08 17:08:34 ok.. Nov 08 17:08:34 that's all Nov 08 17:08:40 /end Nov 08 17:08:52 * ngaur raise Nov 08 17:08:52 oceania needs to consider it's role in relation to asia-pacific imcs Nov 08 17:08:55 ngaur: yep Nov 08 17:09:14 * wowi raises next Nov 08 17:09:21 If someone was to produce graphics, I might be able to line up some high profile advertising to get some donated gear Nov 08 17:09:34 end Nov 08 17:09:39 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:09:41 responses to that? Nov 08 17:09:41 for burma that is Nov 08 17:09:51 and_: response? Nov 08 17:09:57 can you explain more nguar? what do you mean by advertising? Nov 08 17:10:03 what kind of graphics? Nov 08 17:10:05 * wowi is interested too. Nov 08 17:10:13 * ferret too Nov 08 17:10:21 raise: Nov 08 17:10:25 I do the technical side of a business model independent news website Nov 08 17:10:36 what role do u mean specifically? Nov 08 17:10:37 I could probably slip something like that in Nov 08 17:10:42 i had luck getting ads in new internationalist for nothing a few times... Nov 08 17:10:51 allan_X: can people pls wait to speak. Nov 08 17:10:57 end Nov 08 17:10:57 [woops sorry about protocol] Nov 08 17:10:58 sorry al Nov 08 17:11:03 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:11:07 after all, theri refugees and i know NI is favoruable to that kind of thing Nov 08 17:11:24 kimk: pls raise Nov 08 17:11:31 sorry Nov 08 17:11:35 np ;) Nov 08 17:11:37 and_: ? Nov 08 17:11:39 ads for equipment nguar? Nov 08 17:11:41 /end Nov 08 17:11:55 yep Nov 08 17:12:06 sounds good :) Nov 08 17:12:09 basically just need a small graphic linked to some explanation somewhere Nov 08 17:12:20 any one interested in joining that project? Nov 08 17:12:30 * wowi will jot it down in the wiki. Nov 08 17:12:31 no rush. let me know. I'm often here Nov 08 17:12:41 ok. for later discussion Nov 08 17:12:56 * wowi would like to continue.. Nov 08 17:13:14 ngaur: please put that idea in the wiki when it's done Nov 08 17:13:18 * and_ also thinks it sounds good Nov 08 17:13:28 ok, there was an Asia-Pacific meeting called Nov 08 17:13:28 * halo-mtg too Nov 08 17:13:38 --> gdm (irc@localhost) has joined #oceania Nov 08 17:13:38 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to gdm Nov 08 17:13:43 for Sunday the 21st of Nov Nov 08 17:13:45 --- gdm is now known as gdm-asb Nov 08 17:14:23 raise Nov 08 17:14:30 from that meeting, imc's in that region will no doubt decide whether they want to continue with ocean syndication. Nov 08 17:14:39 or create a new network. Nov 08 17:14:43 wowi: times..? Nov 08 17:14:59 regardless oceania needs to work out it's role. Nov 08 17:15:04 http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaAsia-PacificSolidarity Nov 08 17:15:16 it's under the meeting heading ;) Nov 08 17:15:32 :P Nov 08 17:15:39 speaking with people in asian imc's autonomy is VERY important Nov 08 17:15:55 oceania in my opinion needs to work alongside them, and support them Nov 08 17:16:14 ie, i am delivering 2 comps to imc-manila Nov 08 17:16:24 raise Nov 08 17:16:39 oh ok. i'll talk about htat bit in a sec Nov 08 17:16:40 allan_X: Nov 08 17:16:47 i have another pc if they want it too but - is this what u meant by oceania role? Nov 08 17:17:08 it's more than stuff and $$, jakarta and burma need tach help Nov 08 17:17:10 just in mutual aid? Nov 08 17:17:20 solidarity :) Nov 08 17:17:26 yeh.. it's alot of things! Nov 08 17:17:29 ah ok Nov 08 17:17:35 is there a list for that? Nov 08 17:17:39 i need a decision from oceania on a few things.. Nov 08 17:17:52 what decision? Nov 08 17:17:55 1. do we want to make a solidarity list and endorse this project? Nov 08 17:18:26 email list? Nov 08 17:18:27 2. do we want to commit $500 to imc-manila providing they organise themselves to propose for it collectively Nov 08 17:18:32 yup :) Nov 08 17:18:56 * ngaur raise Nov 08 17:19:02 3. can i write a call to action on behalf of the network, to ask non imc groups expats etc to support the project Nov 08 17:19:06 ngaur: yup Nov 08 17:19:25 I'm concerned that that implies much of asia being somehow outside of oceania Nov 08 17:19:33 like solidatity with something outside Nov 08 17:19:39 * wowi nods Nov 08 17:19:42 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:19:45 oceania is the solidarity list Nov 08 17:19:52 end Nov 08 17:19:53 raise Nov 08 17:19:57 * wowi raises Nov 08 17:19:59 and_: ? Nov 08 17:20:04 * and_ supports a asia-pacific solidarity list but maybe wait till asia-pacific meeting Nov 08 17:20:12 /end Nov 08 17:20:38 i see ngaur pt, my apprehension to have a list is that there isn't any energy to consistently work on it. Nov 08 17:20:59 i am happy to use imc-oceania.. which would somewhat make a less distinct barrier Nov 08 17:21:12 dave joined our list for such a reason Nov 08 17:21:13 BUT. Nov 08 17:21:15 maybe things like oceania-finance. localised equivalents of what's currently done at a global scale Nov 08 17:21:24 we need to sort bimc disputes.. Nov 08 17:21:27 --- end :Unknown command Nov 08 17:21:31 end. Nov 08 17:21:41 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:21:48 we have and oceania-finance list.. pls JOIN! Nov 08 17:21:51 and_: ? Nov 08 17:22:07 nguar i don't think the oceania list is appropriate for what wowi is talking about Nov 08 17:22:20 there's a kind of a split personality Nov 08 17:22:22 * wowi raises Nov 08 17:22:30 if you were from burma and you had to sit through all the bimc stuff i don't think you'd get much solidarity happening Nov 08 17:22:34 between the aggregation content side of things Nov 08 17:22:41 and the regional coordination side Nov 08 17:22:42 i think it's a real turn off for solidarity Nov 08 17:22:46 it's more of a discussionlist Nov 08 17:22:49 * wowi agrees Nov 08 17:22:53 heh Nov 08 17:22:58 who do you agree with wowi? Nov 08 17:22:59 may i speak? Nov 08 17:23:04 /end Nov 08 17:23:13 * ferret agrees with and_ Nov 08 17:23:19 RAISE AGAIN Nov 08 17:23:43 i agree that alot of the traffic on the list does not concern someone from asia-pacific.. and is a waste of ltd net time they often have Nov 08 17:23:44 BUT Nov 08 17:23:54 to make a new list would require that people join it Nov 08 17:24:09 my worry is that if we take the issue off the main list Nov 08 17:24:17 we hide it from people's attention Nov 08 17:24:21 allan_X Nov 08 17:24:25 * and_ will join :0 Nov 08 17:24:26 :) Nov 08 17:24:36 i agree with and_ etc its a confusing topic and should be discussed on oceania list perhaps - and yes set up a oceania/asia list maybe - if u are concerned about nobody on it then do it individually /end Nov 08 17:24:38 * wowi and and_ are also on finance :) Nov 08 17:24:49 --> tonyo (~tonyo@202.163.230.142) has joined #oceania Nov 08 17:24:53 yay :) Nov 08 17:24:57 hoi tonyo Nov 08 17:25:06 elo wowi Nov 08 17:25:11 is the online mtg now over? Nov 08 17:25:12 kamusta? we are just talking about asia solidarity from oceania Nov 08 17:25:17 no no.. good timing Nov 08 17:25:21 ic Nov 08 17:25:24 good Nov 08 17:25:31 i agree with and_ etc its a confusing topic and should be discussed on oceania list perhaps - and yes set up a oceania/asia list maybe - if u are concerned about nobody on it then do it individually /end Nov 08 17:25:59 * wowi agrees with and_ that we cannot decide this till the asia-pacific meeting.. but good ideas :) Nov 08 17:26:27 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:26:40 yup Nov 08 17:26:58 ok Nov 08 17:27:01 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 17:27:08 and_: ? Nov 08 17:27:16 i was originally suggesting more of a communications lists rather than a discussion list but maybe after the asia-pacific meeting we'll have more idea. tonyo do you have any opinions on this? Nov 08 17:27:19 /end Nov 08 17:27:32 * wowi likes that idea. but WITHOUT delegates Nov 08 17:27:36 halo-mtg: ? Nov 08 17:27:45 i think all wowi's proposals are good ones, but i also agree that it's really something oceania should offer the new imcs at the asia-pacific meeting. Nov 08 17:27:53 having an ASIA PACIFIC list would be good Nov 08 17:28:08 tonyo: that would be for you guys to decide at the meeting Nov 08 17:28:09 or SOUTHEAST ASIA perhaps Nov 08 17:28:24 how do you feel about and asia pacific/oceania communications list Nov 08 17:28:25 offer? Nov 08 17:28:28 esp the solidarity letter/callout.. i like that :) Nov 08 17:28:35 .end Nov 08 17:28:42 for solidarity, mutual aid, and jt projects Nov 08 17:28:47 such as the newsreel Nov 08 17:29:00 wowi: maybe Jakarta, Manila and QC could come out with an email CALL TO ACTION, urging organizations and activists across the region to set up IMCs Nov 08 17:29:05 allan_X, if it's for them, then they should decide if they want it or not Nov 08 17:29:33 or if they'd rather do it themselves Nov 08 17:29:34 yeah Nov 08 17:29:38 (end) Nov 08 17:29:47 tonyo: great, i put that idea on the wiki. Nov 08 17:29:56 collaboratively would be good Nov 08 17:29:58 * gdm-asb raises Nov 08 17:30:11 gdm-asb: yes? Nov 08 17:30:11 Maybe the 3 or four IMCs in the region could initiate the list and call to action Nov 08 17:30:52 just wondered if anyone was taking notes or minutes anywhere - i've kinda lost the logs atm and went to look at the wiki page but there's nothing there apart from agenda. minutes anyone? Nov 08 17:31:02 tonyo: if you want to speak, type /me raises Nov 08 17:31:05 * ngaur is logging Nov 08 17:31:08 :) Nov 08 17:31:15 tonyo: i think consensus at the meeting would be necessary.. ? Nov 08 17:31:30 what about manila-imc's involvement? Nov 08 17:31:35 http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/AsiaPacificSolidarityCall this was the idea... Nov 08 17:31:44 yeah - i meant acutal minutes and not just logs... ? Nov 08 17:31:55 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:31:55 i am happy to help from oceania Nov 08 17:32:16 gdm-asg: i sorta am Nov 08 17:32:19 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 17:32:19 tonyo: ? Nov 08 17:32:52 * wowi asks someone to minute.. Nov 08 17:33:19 can't minuting happen afterwards? Nov 08 17:33:40 ok Nov 08 17:33:47 well: would be great if someone here couild write somethin up so that ppl not able to make it knows what happened Nov 08 17:33:48 tonyo: did you want to speak? Nov 08 17:33:55 QC is solidly for common, parallel efforts with all IMCs esp in building an East Asian/South East Asian network Nov 08 17:34:00 just - logs are *really* difficult to read thru if u weren't there Nov 08 17:34:00 If someone says "minute: message", that's easy to extract... Nov 08 17:34:05 gdm-asb: it's happening. Nov 08 17:34:14 kool - thanks :-) Nov 08 17:34:46 tonyo: ok. what is oceania's role in your opinon? Nov 08 17:35:35 wowi: it could join the efforts. it could endorse the call to all its friends in the regions. it could help by sharing its experience in forming imc-oceania as a regional syndicate. Nov 08 17:36:01 --> stacy (irc@localhost) has joined #oceania Nov 08 17:36:02 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to stacy Nov 08 17:36:12 hey stacy :) Nov 08 17:36:24 hi all... wha'd I miss? Nov 08 17:36:32 tonyo: as per the wiki doc.. Nov 08 17:36:37 hour and a half Nov 08 17:36:53 thanks ferret :| Nov 08 17:36:55 shall we colloboratively write a translated call to solidarity? Nov 08 17:37:00 and send it round? Nov 08 17:37:04 * halo-mtg raises again.. Nov 08 17:37:15 can someone query stacy to fill her in Nov 08 17:37:18 halo-mtg: ? Nov 08 17:37:26 i would be keen to contribute by distributing information/callouts around aotearoa networks. i'm also happy to help with drafting text for things if it's wanted. (that's a personal contribution.. i'll forward this stuff to the a-imc list to see what else aotearoa can help with) Nov 08 17:37:38 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:37:40 great :0 Nov 08 17:37:42 :) Nov 08 17:37:44 tonyo: ? Nov 08 17:38:05 --- halo-mtg gives channel operator status to tonyo Nov 08 17:38:16 hey you beat me :) Nov 08 17:38:17 hehe Nov 08 17:38:21 :) Nov 08 17:38:37 feminine intuittion ;) Nov 08 17:38:40 let's leave it to all the imc's to think things over especially how they intend to help, what steps they would take Nov 08 17:39:03 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 17:39:14 tonyo: do you feel that what asia-pacific imc's do is a separate issue to what oceania choose to do in solidarity? Nov 08 17:39:18 halo-mtg: ? Nov 08 17:40:01 i think it would be a good pre-emptive thing befor the asia-pacific meeting for imc's to brainstorm on things they could potentially offer Nov 08 17:40:12 ok.. Nov 08 17:40:15 like tonyo says :) Nov 08 17:40:20 there could be a two calls to action: one directed at IMCs and another for the mass organizations and movements outside of IMCs Nov 08 17:40:24 * allan_X raises Nov 08 17:40:27 woops Nov 08 17:40:28 :( no one responded to my email about it on oceania. Nov 08 17:40:36 * allan_X unraises Nov 08 17:40:43 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:41:06 <-- stacy has quit (Quit: Leaving) Nov 08 17:41:12 tonyo: yup, i was hoping to get an endorsement from arundhati roy and get the exiled/expat community in oceania helping, as well as ngo, community groups Nov 08 17:41:18 * halo-mtg apologises to wowi for being such a slackass Nov 08 17:41:21 tonyo: yup Nov 08 17:41:24 haha Nov 08 17:41:26 np :) Nov 08 17:42:07 wowi: let's give the IMCs you sent an email to some time to digest the contents of the email :) maybe they haven't thought about it or intend to put in on the agenda of a future meeting Nov 08 17:42:40 --> stacy (irc@localhost) has joined #oceania Nov 08 17:42:40 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to stacy Nov 08 17:42:49 sure, but i'm talking about oceania tonyo Nov 08 17:43:07 asia-pacific imcs are autonomous in their action, what can WE do? Nov 08 17:43:47 wowi: many things. endorse, support, urge, encourage, advise Nov 08 17:43:52 http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaAsia-PacificSolidarity ... Nov 08 17:44:09 so for starters.. as we need to come to consensus in this meeting Nov 08 17:44:24 as to what we can propose to asia-pacific imcs Nov 08 17:44:31 and discuss further on Oceania-imc Nov 08 17:44:32 * ngaur raise Nov 08 17:44:37 yup Nov 08 17:44:52 I think wowi you might be a bit ahead of most of us on this Nov 08 17:44:55 ok Nov 08 17:44:56 ok Nov 08 17:45:06 :) Nov 08 17:45:06 and perhaps a bit ahead of the imc's you propose to help too Nov 08 17:45:15 people need to respond to my emails! Nov 08 17:45:19 which is something to be careful of Nov 08 17:45:23 ok Nov 08 17:45:26 granted. Nov 08 17:45:36 shall we just agree on my small proposals then? Nov 08 17:45:47 the whole imc-process thing has value mostly because people need to take a lot of time to think about how they're going to do things themselves Nov 08 17:45:57 * wowi raises Nov 08 17:46:11 We should be ready to support, but perhaps people should come to us mostly? Nov 08 17:46:21 and we should advertise what we can do Nov 08 17:46:24 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 17:46:32 end Nov 08 17:46:57 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:47:01 ok.. Nov 08 17:47:04 me first :) Nov 08 17:47:20 i agree with ngaur, but we need to start thinking about what we can do Nov 08 17:47:27 so it's ready for when it's needed Nov 08 17:47:30 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:47:33 * allan_X raises Nov 08 17:47:37 * halo-mtg jumps up and down Nov 08 17:47:45 ok.. Nov 08 17:47:48 halo-mtg: ? Nov 08 17:47:55 proposal: that imc's in the oceania collective brainstorm about ways in which they can potentially contribute to the asia-pacific solidarity project, and bring these ideas to the a-p irc meeting Nov 08 17:48:29 * allan_X unraise Nov 08 17:48:33 halo-mtg: that meeting is really for asia-pacific imc's to get together and talk their stuff.. Nov 08 17:48:35 Nov 08 17:48:43 i mean we could do that... Nov 08 17:48:50 maybe on the next meeting? Nov 08 17:48:53 maybe on a list Nov 08 17:48:55 sorry Nov 08 17:48:59 or on the wiki perhaps? Nov 08 17:49:01 tonyo: pls speak Nov 08 17:49:03 YES!! Nov 08 17:49:13 * wowi has been waiting for someone to join in :)) Nov 08 17:49:45 i have a three-step proposal. Nov 08 17:49:57 * allan_X raises Nov 08 17:49:57 1. seek consensus among IMCs across oceania to support moves to form IMCs across east asia or southeast asia Nov 08 17:50:14 2. urge oceania imc's to write organizations and movements and activists in east asia/south east asia to form IMCs in their cities/countries Nov 08 17:50:25 Nov 08 17:50:25 3. oceania IMCs could offer the following: advise, support in new-imc and process lists, bandwidth and hosting, help initiate the EA/SEA/AP list (manila, qc, jakarta) etc. aside from moral support Nov 08 17:50:42 raise Nov 08 17:50:55 * and_ unraises Nov 08 17:51:09 allan_X: ? Nov 08 17:51:16 i support those 3 props, but asia-pac stuff should have an extra meeting for this proposal to develop sufficiently - i think anyway... [end] Nov 08 17:51:40 to flesh out stuff - its too broad for this meeting end Nov 08 17:51:43 * and_ raises Nov 08 17:52:06 doll: go ahead Nov 08 17:52:18 * doll worries that proposal 2 makes indys seem disturbingly missionary-like in their zeal for new members Nov 08 17:52:30 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:52:42 end Nov 08 17:52:43 * ngaur raise Nov 08 17:52:48 and_: yup Nov 08 17:52:56 * wowi raises Nov 08 17:52:59 bye all Nov 08 17:53:01 <-- gdm-asb has quit (Quit: leaving) Nov 08 17:53:52 oh sorry Nov 08 17:53:54 :) Nov 08 17:53:56 agree with allan Nov 08 17:54:02 ngaur: go ahead? Nov 08 17:54:04 i think we've been going for Nov 08 17:54:09 Providing for people in various areas to get in touch with each other is a big thing. Somewhere you can register your interest, followed by mailing list stuff, could go a long way Nov 08 17:54:19 a while now and we need to move onto other topics before we all get too tired Nov 08 17:54:33 and_: i was about to get to that thankyou. Nov 08 17:54:34 When aotearoa got started, there were at least 3 different groups working oin the idea unaware of each other Nov 08 17:54:35 i think we'll have a clearer picture during the asia-pacific meeting Nov 08 17:54:41 /end Nov 08 17:54:43 thankyou and. Nov 08 17:54:47 * allan_X raise Nov 08 17:54:50 setting up a mailing list and pulling people into it made it all start to move Nov 08 17:54:53 end Nov 08 17:55:18 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:55:23 * wowi is mindfull of the time and proposes that people write proposals and put it on imc-oceania Nov 08 17:55:24 * ferret raise Nov 08 17:55:27 great ideas :) Nov 08 17:55:33 i think the topic is a big one Nov 08 17:55:42 and PLEASE people.. talk on the list.. Nov 08 17:55:49 proposing proposals heheh Nov 08 17:55:59 i'll resend my email, pls put your proposals Nov 08 17:56:10 allan_X and ferret last words Nov 08 17:56:14 allan_X: go Nov 08 17:56:23 i reckon we're all gonna be into helping yr prop wowi - maybe send an email to all interested crew from this meeting and go from there - towards a mailing list at least and then flesh the props out more - i'm not on c-list anymore[end] Nov 08 17:56:28 * tonyo raises Nov 08 17:56:39 ferret: yup Nov 08 17:56:46 is there an action point to be gained for this topic? some clear end point of all this discussion? wait for the asia-pacific meeting, set up list? Nov 08 17:56:55 end Nov 08 17:56:56 there are many. Nov 08 17:57:10 i put 3 proposals at the start. i will put them on the list Nov 08 17:57:15 * allan_X raise Nov 08 17:57:27 i need an answer for imc-manila help asap. Nov 08 17:57:30 on list Nov 08 17:57:35 tonyo: yup Nov 08 17:57:44 sorry allan_X, tonyo is last speaker Nov 08 17:57:54 we're moving onto the next item Nov 08 17:58:05 on our side, QC could write to friends in other Phil cities plus friends in kuala lumpur and other south east asian countries. we would try to think of other more concrete steps. and we will support the future list Nov 08 17:58:06 :( wowi: put to list and also to all here who showed interest -coa i'm not on oceania list Nov 08 17:58:19 ok Nov 08 17:58:21 coa? Nov 08 17:58:23 * allan_X me shutup now Nov 08 17:58:27 :) Nov 08 17:58:33 coz Nov 08 17:58:38 = because Nov 08 17:58:39 ok, next item.. newsreel Nov 08 17:58:51 ok i think that's me Nov 08 17:58:57 any nz stuff been submitted yet? Nov 08 17:59:05 Sorry we gotta bail too - onna mission - we'll chase up Thailand via Matthew McDaniel - just inquiries :-) - lov n sol Nov 08 17:59:06 maybe i'll do a report of where stuff is up to Nov 08 17:59:14 tonyo: pls put qc's item on the imc-oceania list Nov 08 17:59:17 (sorry for jumping the gun) Nov 08 17:59:18 <-- pariah (cgiirc@203-217-2-138.dyn.iinet.net.au) has left #oceania Nov 08 17:59:25 ok wowi. i gtg Nov 08 17:59:30 bye folks! Nov 08 17:59:33 <-- tonyo (~tonyo@202.163.230.142) has left #oceania Nov 08 17:59:34 so near verything is up Nov 08 17:59:41 pariah: there is an asia=pcific meetign Nov 08 17:59:48 pls ask them to come!! Nov 08 17:59:52 but a couople of nights ago anna had here computer stolen from irene Nov 08 17:59:57 and so did grubbie Nov 08 18:00:07 so putting the whole thing up might be set back Nov 08 18:00:11 we'll see what we can do Nov 08 18:00:24 as soon as it's up will send a feature to www-features Nov 08 18:00:32 pariah: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/AsiaPacificSolidarityMeeting1 Nov 08 18:00:39 * allan_X raise Nov 08 18:00:39 at the moment we just need to re-edit the nz piece Nov 08 18:00:41 sorry and_ . Nov 08 18:00:54 and put the whole 1 hour up Nov 08 18:01:05 and then get more printed as we are out Nov 08 18:01:19 --> fluff (cgiirc@bri-pr3.tpgi.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 18:01:23 <-- fluff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 18:01:27 so i gues the other thing is getting more contributions Nov 08 18:01:38 we have a po box now in melb Nov 08 18:01:44 i'll put in on the wiki Nov 08 18:02:05 as no one else has volunteered to do compiole we'll keep doing itt for the moment Nov 08 18:02:21 but i'd be great if local imcs could hassle people to send stuff in Nov 08 18:02:28 end? Nov 08 18:02:33 micks gone wowi btw oceania newsreal went down well screend at artrage event last week "SOE" was a great lil peice. VBLG [film] and Ko vid might be able to get on the next one Nov 08 18:02:37 not sure of current status of video.indymedia Nov 08 18:02:41 yeah /end Nov 08 18:02:46 unless htere are questions? Nov 08 18:03:01 allan x: cool Nov 08 18:03:03 * wowi raises Nov 08 18:03:50 is it me.. have i missed anyone? Nov 08 18:03:54 u Nov 08 18:04:09 yay! Nov 08 18:04:10 ok Nov 08 18:04:12 --- doll is now known as doll-afk Nov 08 18:04:28 manila and qc said they could give me stuff when i'm there for the newsreel Nov 08 18:04:41 hopefully perth should have 3 decent pieces Nov 08 18:04:52 * and_ raises Nov 08 18:04:54 and as i said before jakarta shouold ahve stuff Nov 08 18:05:13 if needs be, can the deadline be bumped.. for some of the asian imc's? Nov 08 18:05:18 * allan_X raises Nov 08 18:05:21 there may be need to edit their stuff. Nov 08 18:05:24 and_: yeh Nov 08 18:05:29 can you make sure it is translated before we get it just cause we can't go that (i might be saying the obvious) Nov 08 18:05:49 ther deadline is flexible but meant to push people i guess ot get their shit toegther Nov 08 18:05:57 cool Nov 08 18:06:00 like anna said it depends what's out there Nov 08 18:06:06 i can get translations done, with more time. Nov 08 18:06:13 great :) Nov 08 18:06:14 if there isn't anything then better to wait Nov 08 18:06:15 allan_X: ? Nov 08 18:06:17 weve been workin/decorating an emppty in neast perth - just need a vid-cam to shoot a piece going up. will work well. when is deadline? Nov 08 18:06:23 than put somethin meiocre out Nov 08 18:06:26 /end Nov 08 18:06:34 jan? Nov 08 18:06:41 well anna said mid dec and i said mid jan Nov 08 18:06:47 ok Nov 08 18:06:47 so i 'd know Nov 08 18:06:58 the earlier stuff comes in the better Nov 08 18:07:01 --> fluff (pjirc@203-219-242-239-bri-ts9-2600.tpgi.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 18:07:01 ok might have to get onto it quick b4 they catch us Nov 08 18:07:04 allan_X: should that perhaps be put into the urban art doco? Nov 08 18:07:11 its open at moment Nov 08 18:07:17 but the sooner the better then we can get onto the next one Nov 08 18:07:20 /end Nov 08 18:07:22 yes and newsreal coz its art.politix Nov 08 18:07:23 cool.. i may be able to get a camera. Nov 08 18:07:30 ok.. Nov 08 18:07:30 good /end Nov 08 18:07:42 we have a food irradiation piece and a climate justice tour film i made. i've also got nnimmo bassey from nigeria at the BSF, he's a film in his own right :) Nov 08 18:07:57 nice Nov 08 18:08:00 cool Nov 08 18:08:02 oh sorry - ludlow too, and windarling Nov 08 18:08:05 send it in Nov 08 18:08:06 are you on the oceania-video list kimk ? Nov 08 18:08:17 i don't thnk so Nov 08 18:08:19 allan_X: yup, and poetry and aus funeral action Nov 08 18:08:26 kimk: join! :) Nov 08 18:08:43 ok Nov 08 18:08:54 http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/oceania-video Nov 08 18:09:03 ok any more on newsreel? Nov 08 18:09:09 and oceania video project? Nov 08 18:09:17 * wowi ducks out to the loo Nov 08 18:09:18 i think that's it, i'm putting up po box now on wiki Nov 08 18:09:40 obviously send stuff in and peolplke inthe list are working on charters etc for the project Nov 08 18:09:43 /end Nov 08 18:10:15 cool and_ Nov 08 18:10:30 next newsreal should be agoodn Nov 08 18:11:06 sorry, can u possibly send me a few copies? Nov 08 18:11:11 anyone have questions or anything or we move onto next topic? Nov 08 18:11:40 :) Nov 08 18:11:58 wahts next? Nov 08 18:11:59 ok finance.. Nov 08 18:12:00 <-- kimk has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 08 18:12:04 --> kimk (cgiirc@c210-49-100-95.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 18:12:05 a few things Nov 08 18:12:16 ew $$ Nov 08 18:12:23 i'm out for a bit Nov 08 18:12:42 1. is it ok by oceania to put up to $500 aside for manila imc, dependent on their proposal? Nov 08 18:12:43 hey Nov 08 18:12:48 --- ferret gives channel operator status to kimk Nov 08 18:12:50 --- allan_X is now known as allanx_nicofix Nov 08 18:12:50 * and_ raises Nov 08 18:12:53 do we want to have a quick break Nov 08 18:12:54 ? Nov 08 18:12:59 ok Nov 08 18:13:03 yeh lets Nov 08 18:13:03 before we start new topic? Nov 08 18:13:05 :) Nov 08 18:13:08 good idea! Nov 08 18:13:12 * wowi needs a smoke Nov 08 18:13:13 10min too long? Nov 08 18:13:15 --- stacy is now known as stacy-afk Nov 08 18:13:16 no no Nov 08 18:13:19 good :) Nov 08 18:13:27 cya in 10 people.. great work!! :) Nov 08 18:13:32 :) Nov 08 18:13:34 cool break Nov 08 18:13:36 i can eat Nov 08 18:13:55 --- and_ is now known as and_hunter-gatherer Nov 08 18:14:05 I've got very little idea how Oceania's finances work Nov 08 18:14:05 --- wowi gives channel operator status to fluff Nov 08 18:14:22 we'll talk about it in 10 ;) Nov 08 18:14:24 Not sure if I should just sit back for abit, or if someone wants to sum up how it works Nov 08 18:14:54 is it going to be an interruption? or do others need briefing too Nov 08 18:16:28 * ferret is curious, while others are breaking Nov 08 18:17:53 oceania is funded thru armed robbery and embezlement Nov 08 18:18:16 :) Nov 08 18:19:02 i thibk we raise funds individualy and feed to an acct Nov 08 18:19:10 for various projects Nov 08 18:19:17 do you think the troll attacks in perth were brisbane trolls? Nov 08 18:19:22 --- allanx_nicofix is now known as allan_x Nov 08 18:19:25 sorry all but i'm not feeling well, i'm gonna head off Nov 08 18:19:38 see ya cm Nov 08 18:19:44 --- claremarie is now known as claremarie-afk Nov 08 18:19:44 later clairmarie Nov 08 18:20:09 oh :( hope shes ok Nov 08 18:20:22 halo-mtg: give her a hug from perth! Nov 08 18:22:00 --- and_hunter-gatherer is now known as and_ Nov 08 18:22:01 --- ngaur is now known as ngaur-afk Nov 08 18:22:20 * and_ finished his not very apetizing pesto on toast Nov 08 18:22:52 yum Nov 08 18:23:14 no it wasn't i promise Nov 08 18:23:19 mmm pesto Nov 08 18:23:24 and neither is the cold tea :( Nov 08 18:23:29 --- ngaur-afk is now known as ngaur_fending_off_5_inch_ Nov 08 18:23:48 --- ngaur_fending_off_5_inch_ is now known as ngaur Nov 08 18:23:51 i had such a good breakfat this morning.. Nov 08 18:24:29 poached eggs, organic bread, spinach, red castello Nov 08 18:24:39 garlic and olive oil.. Nov 08 18:24:42 good parmesan Nov 08 18:24:44 :)) Nov 08 18:25:01 * ngaur was hungry before this conversation Nov 08 18:25:10 fuck yummmm Nov 08 18:25:29 :P Nov 08 18:25:30 * ferret thinks perth troll attcack were definitely bris trolls Nov 08 18:25:46 shall we resume? Nov 08 18:25:49 yep Nov 08 18:25:52 is everyone back? Nov 08 18:25:57 there's no such thing as good pamasan. all dairy are products of cruelty Nov 08 18:26:25 ha true still - a good smoothis goes down well Nov 08 18:26:34 * wowi just got asked out.. by someone standing behind her whilst she stared at a comp screen talking about eggs.... Nov 08 18:26:38 oh dear. Nov 08 18:26:47 mmmm.. spinach Nov 08 18:26:47 way to go wowi! Nov 08 18:26:49 hahah Nov 08 18:27:01 not quite. Nov 08 18:27:16 ok Nov 08 18:27:47 halo-mtg: yoo hoo? Nov 08 18:27:59 we re starting? Nov 08 18:28:03 finance? Nov 08 18:28:52 lets wait for halo-mtg :) Nov 08 18:28:58 here :) Nov 08 18:29:16 sorry.. making cheesebakedbeantoastypies Nov 08 18:29:25 :)) Nov 08 18:29:28 cheeeeeeeeeeeeese Nov 08 18:29:38 * wowi is going to buy a good brie on her way home Nov 08 18:29:43 * ferret likes dairy and rabbits for dinner Nov 08 18:29:59 HAHAH Nov 08 18:31:21 4 x afk. Nov 08 18:31:27 ok Nov 08 18:31:31 lets doit? Nov 08 18:32:04 yup Nov 08 18:32:09 I guess so Nov 08 18:32:38 the oceania-finance list was created from the last meeting to sus out a process Nov 08 18:32:39 said 10 minutes, and it's closer to 20 Nov 08 18:32:42 http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/oceania-finance Nov 08 18:32:46 ngaur, i think the 4 afk's are afk for a while Nov 08 18:32:51 mainly for mutual aid proposals Nov 08 18:32:59 (financial mutual aid) Nov 08 18:33:08 pls join anyone interested Nov 08 18:33:30 meh Nov 08 18:33:39 the main think we decided when making the list was that it needs to be ratified by imc-oceania Nov 08 18:33:41 * halo-mtg will Nov 08 18:33:45 first up. Nov 08 18:34:08 1. is oceania ok with giving up to $500 to Nov 08 18:34:18 manila imc, pending a collective proposal Nov 08 18:34:19 * and_ raises Nov 08 18:34:41 * ngaur raises Nov 08 18:34:41 and can i use some of that for the costs of bringing the comps over there.. Nov 08 18:34:57 --- stacy-afk is now known as stacy Nov 08 18:35:00 i'm happy to pay that, if it's not too pricey Nov 08 18:35:20 2. moderation money : and_ can speak on that Nov 08 18:35:23 if there is a solid proposal yes, but i think the proposal should come first but given qc got money it' only fair Nov 08 18:35:33 hrm.. Nov 08 18:35:33 can we deal with one at a time? Nov 08 18:35:36 ok Nov 08 18:35:37 re foe mediation queries onlist: the mediator never asked for money, kimci offered and of course she said yes 'if you can afford it' or words to that effect Nov 08 18:35:37 sure Nov 08 18:35:42 ok Nov 08 18:35:45 lets do 1. Nov 08 18:35:57 kimk can we stick on 1 first? Nov 08 18:36:00 kimk: we'll get to that in a bit.. pls have it for pasting Nov 08 18:36:04 yep Nov 08 18:36:05 hang on Nov 08 18:36:08 yes? Nov 08 18:36:18 sorry bad manners Nov 08 18:36:20 can we have some sort of overview of the finacnial situation? Nov 08 18:36:28 who raised money, with what in mind Nov 08 18:36:31 ok sure Nov 08 18:36:36 what other demands on it are there? Nov 08 18:36:37 good idea Nov 08 18:36:38 and_: you do that Nov 08 18:36:40 how much is there? Nov 08 18:36:47 $1400 Nov 08 18:36:52 left. Nov 08 18:37:15 we have $1400 dollars Nov 08 18:37:22 actually $1360 Nov 08 18:37:28 raised during oceania conf. Nov 08 18:38:16 burma will require aid, costs of sending equipment... and some funding toward papers for burma delegates to go to pga Nov 08 18:38:24 * and_ raises Nov 08 18:38:40 i have referred them to imc-finance.. for equipment $$ Nov 08 18:39:05 the amount is not enough to do very much but if there are things people need now we should give it to them and raise money as the needs arise Nov 08 18:39:07 and i have offered to fund them for pga myself, if needs be.. but plan to do a fundraiser next yr in sydny.. Nov 08 18:39:10 pls help!! Nov 08 18:39:19 and_: sure Nov 08 18:39:19 --> terry (cgiirc@222.126.50.67) has joined #oceania Nov 08 18:39:23 ok.. Nov 08 18:39:29 hi terry Nov 08 18:39:33 good timing :) Nov 08 18:39:37 hey terry Nov 08 18:39:39 kamusta? Nov 08 18:39:40 hey! Nov 08 18:39:42 --- wowi gives channel operator status to terry Nov 08 18:40:00 ok.we're in quezon province... Nov 08 18:40:04 terry: what is the status in manila imc's proposal for stuff Nov 08 18:40:20 we just send an email to oceania list... Nov 08 18:40:34 from the collective? Nov 08 18:40:44 from mark.he wrote it. Nov 08 18:41:07 it needs to be endorsed by the collective Nov 08 18:41:08 is ita/ Nov 08 18:41:13 *is it? Nov 08 18:41:21 (that is if it's a proposal) Nov 08 18:41:22 its not a proposal... Nov 08 18:41:25 oh ok Nov 08 18:41:26 sorry Nov 08 18:41:32 is this a meeting? Nov 08 18:41:38 when will you guys have a proposal done? Nov 08 18:41:51 * wowi cant find mark's email Nov 08 18:42:05 terry: yup Nov 08 18:42:19 we're about 2 hours into it Nov 08 18:42:25 oh...sorry. Nov 08 18:42:36 noooo you should stay :D Nov 08 18:42:36 i forward that email a couple of mins. ago. Nov 08 18:42:40 np Nov 08 18:42:41 ok Nov 08 18:42:54 i got an email from jong saying that jay would do the proposal now Nov 08 18:42:59 sorry about your mum terry Nov 08 18:43:21 yeah... Nov 08 18:43:36 that hasn't been discussed at all. no consensus. Nov 08 18:43:55 so, jong has proposed that we hold back on $$ till you guys sort bank accts and proposals Nov 08 18:44:00 that solves that.. Nov 08 18:44:26 it was just jhong who posted that without us knowing it... Nov 08 18:44:49 ok.. he did post as an idividual Nov 08 18:44:49 doesn't sound like there's any dispute over the money, so we can probably say there's in principle agreement, pending accounts, etc Nov 08 18:44:56 we have problems with that. jay didn't returned the manila-infoshop materials. Nov 08 18:44:59 ngaur: not so Nov 08 18:45:03 he asked us to beg for it. Nov 08 18:45:08 ? Nov 08 18:45:35 you should read mark's email and participate on this one Nov 08 18:45:37 terry i've heard different.. perhaps you you guys should come back once you've reached consensus Nov 08 18:45:47 * wowi is not in manila-imc Nov 08 18:46:05 you guys need to sort this together :) Nov 08 18:46:12 the $$ will always be here.. Nov 08 18:46:12 yeah.. Nov 08 18:46:21 * halo-mtg just read the email.. ouch.. Nov 08 18:46:47 so, as far as the $$ for me to take the 2 computers perth imc has donated? Nov 08 18:46:51 the problem is jay is making things worse and difficult, they aren't doin anything on manila-imc, while we are so busy organizing activites and actions. Nov 08 18:47:07 he and randy is so busy with their NGO works. Nov 08 18:47:18 terry: i have heard the opposite.. you guys need to talk about this with eachother Nov 08 18:47:38 we cant believe any individual over another :) it would be wrong Nov 08 18:48:05 yeah but when jay be sending oceania the proposal Nov 08 18:48:14 hrm.. Nov 08 18:48:35 you know that we protested against that- there hasnt been a concensus Nov 08 18:48:45 shall we leave this discussion for another time terry ? Nov 08 18:48:51 perhaps in #manila? Nov 08 18:49:05 maybe with jong and jay and mark present Nov 08 18:49:13 there is a dispute and manila is going to be another brisbane Nov 08 18:49:24 in manila # ok. Nov 08 18:49:48 but we can't stay long Nov 08 18:49:52 perhaps organise an online manila meeting .. Nov 08 18:50:00 yeah...that will help Nov 08 18:50:02 with jong Nov 08 18:50:04 ok Nov 08 18:50:09 so.. Nov 08 18:50:21 back to oceania finance Nov 08 18:50:41 1. $$ (if needed) for excess bagage costs? Nov 08 18:50:47 for comps? Nov 08 18:51:02 wowi: would it be cheaper to just freight them? Nov 08 18:51:19 sure.. if that's cool with oceania Nov 08 18:51:31 or i know a filipino guy who delivers Nov 08 18:51:38 * wowi can deliver too :) Nov 08 18:52:07 wouldn't it be cheapr to just get laptops inthat case? Nov 08 18:52:12 we wont need the computers until the dispute is over and our materials returned Nov 08 18:52:21 ?? Nov 08 18:52:26 we have computers! Nov 08 18:52:33 why get laptops! Nov 08 18:52:37 give them to burma Nov 08 18:52:51 we have 10 macs here Nov 08 18:52:52 yes they need that most Nov 08 18:52:55 g3's Nov 08 18:53:08 terry: so you dont want me to bring them? Nov 08 18:53:18 we wont need the computers until the dispute is over and our materials returned Nov 08 18:53:21 * wowi will ask imc-manila list Nov 08 18:53:23 ok Nov 08 18:53:36 so that's settled for 1. Nov 08 18:53:38 ok Nov 08 18:53:44 terry: how long has this business with the materials been going on? Nov 08 18:53:57 ngaur: it is not just about the materials. Nov 08 18:54:07 jong and jay have another side of the story. Nov 08 18:54:13 * and_ notes that he is waning and might have to leave soon Nov 08 18:54:30 * halo-mtg feels it may be inappropriate to discuss this here and now Nov 08 18:54:37 ok. leave it Nov 08 18:54:38 indeed Nov 08 18:54:41 ok.. Nov 08 18:54:43 2. Nov 08 18:54:47 you decide who to believe but they acted already withour our consent Nov 08 18:54:50 and_ and kimk? Nov 08 18:55:06 terry: i dont know who to believe.. this is for manila imc to sort out Nov 08 18:55:14 oh my... Nov 08 18:55:16 i'm not there :) so i believe all of you. Nov 08 18:55:18 confusion over mediation money for BIMC here - http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/oceania-finance/2004-November/000029.htm Nov 08 18:55:18 * allan_x raise Nov 08 18:55:21 this has a deja feeling to it. Nov 08 18:55:36 shayne: not appropriate bud Nov 08 18:55:38 allan_x: yup Nov 08 18:55:44 bad vibes please chill - change subject Nov 08 18:55:48 * halo-mtg gives shayne a don't-even-start look Nov 08 18:55:48 we have Nov 08 18:56:01 were onto bimc mediation money Nov 08 18:56:05 and_: anything to say? Nov 08 18:56:18 until the dispute here is over then we can propose for materials and stuff Nov 08 18:56:19 i think kimk was going to say stuff about the foe money Nov 08 18:56:20 * wowi pts to kimk 's link Nov 08 18:56:34 terry: i think you and jong and jay all agree on that :) Nov 08 18:57:03 and_: can you elaborate on your post to oceania-finance? Nov 08 18:57:05 yeah without consensus... no consultations nor meetings Nov 08 18:57:12 or is it not relevant Nov 08 18:57:49 terry: talk with eachother and find consensus.. the $$ and computers are always goiong to be here for you guys Nov 08 18:58:05 the most important thing is that you guys work it out together ;) Nov 08 18:58:20 * stacy raises Nov 08 18:58:23 and_: is it worth discussing here? Nov 08 18:58:26 stacy: yup Nov 08 18:58:28 i thought we owed foe money ffor mediation kimk says no Nov 08 18:58:32 pardon, i think the mediator is not a foe employee/volunteer. she didn't ask us for money at t the time and to my knowledge hasn't. Nov 08 18:58:33 yeah we know.. we have to settle everything first. im leaving mark ios gonna stay here. Nov 08 18:58:34 ah.. Nov 08 18:58:36 are we entitled to a report from the brisbane mediator? Nov 08 18:58:56 terry: ok :) ingat.. dont worry too much! Nov 08 18:58:59 do you have a contact for the person kimk so we can find out? Nov 08 18:59:19 I think it would be reasonable to pay for it if we can get a report Nov 08 18:59:25 <-- terry (cgiirc@222.126.50.67) has left #oceania Nov 08 18:59:53 i can ask them, just searching for a name. Nov 08 19:00:07 but if they don't actaually want money then we could spend the money on other projects like asia solidaroty Nov 08 19:00:15 like burma!! Nov 08 19:00:16 :) Nov 08 19:00:24 absolutely, just trying to be reasonable :) Nov 08 19:00:29 who want to go to pga :) Nov 08 19:00:30 is jong pretty neutral in that debate? Nov 08 19:00:36 maybe we wait, get the actual contact and talk to them, i am happ yo to that Nov 08 19:00:37 or to part fund delegates for pga ;) Nov 08 19:00:45 shayne: can we saty on topic? Nov 08 19:00:45 and_: cool Nov 08 19:00:48 cool Nov 08 19:00:50 end Nov 08 19:01:00 i'd rather see burma get it. the mediator was very nice, but she does do industry mediation rather well paid she says. Nov 08 19:01:07 shayne: yes, he's been working on it Nov 08 19:01:08 so shall we leave that till we actually talk to the person doing th mediation? Nov 08 19:01:15 * shayne nods Nov 08 19:01:15 can you send me the contact kimk? Nov 08 19:01:19 * wowi nods Nov 08 19:01:52 next then? Nov 08 19:02:05 i think i'll have to ask steh at foe. i've deleted the emails... sorry, memory issues (computer that is) Nov 08 19:02:17 ok, send it when you find it Nov 08 19:02:20 i think oceania needs to leave manila's dispute as much as possible.. i've heard alot of it in detail and have known about it for a while.. but have not raised it for the reason that i feel it is important that we respect their autonomy. Nov 08 19:02:28 (sorry to be off topic) Nov 08 19:02:39 what's next? Nov 08 19:02:52 * wowi does not want to see oceania 'mediate' something they dont know about Nov 08 19:02:52 * stacy cracks the whip Nov 08 19:02:56 hahah Nov 08 19:03:15 ok Nov 08 19:03:20 finance is done i think.. Nov 08 19:03:25 any questions? Nov 08 19:03:48 just a note that it would be grea if people can do fundraisers Nov 08 19:04:00 * wowi has said she will Nov 08 19:04:07 hooray for wowi Nov 08 19:04:10 in sydney.. nudge nudge sydney peeps Nov 08 19:04:15 * ferret votes we skip next item and end meeting before blood starts flowing..... Nov 08 19:04:16 :) Nov 08 19:04:26 specifically for pga though Nov 08 19:04:32 and asia-solidarity Nov 08 19:04:33 ok Nov 08 19:04:48 * stacy whistles and looks off in the distance Nov 08 19:04:48 ngaur: did you want to know anything more on finance? Nov 08 19:04:53 :) Nov 08 19:05:00 no, that's ok Nov 08 19:05:04 cool Nov 08 19:05:06 ok Nov 08 19:05:09 last topic Nov 08 19:05:09 <-- doll-afk has quit (Quit: doll yoko drifts back to the pond of dead girls) Nov 08 19:05:16 ew Nov 08 19:05:35 ' list moderators abusing their role and blocking posts and requests to join the oceania e-mail list without explanation.' Nov 08 19:05:37 :) Nov 08 19:06:00 well shauns post didn't go through to list as it was after people had decided to stop the "no more he said she said" Nov 08 19:06:05 so it didn't go through Nov 08 19:06:40 i know there was an agreement on 2 proposals Nov 08 19:06:46 umm Nov 08 19:06:48 one was to remove kimci Nov 08 19:06:56 kimk and takver are allowed to post whatever they want about bimc Nov 08 19:06:59 and the other was to stop shitfights.. Nov 08 19:07:03 seeing as this was put forward by fluff, maybe he wants to elaborate Nov 08 19:07:08 ok Nov 08 19:07:08 but kimci gets kicked Nov 08 19:07:09 :) Nov 08 19:07:17 2. due to pabs and my slackness shaun has not yet been approve to join list, we were going to check with the list first to see if they wanted it to happen Nov 08 19:07:29 why? Nov 08 19:07:32 i tried to discuss my concerns about kimci being kicked and was blocked without explanation. Nov 08 19:07:43 i tried to join the list and was blocked without explanation. Nov 08 19:07:56 this is so obviously silencing dissent Nov 08 19:07:56 and_: is it usual that the list is asked if someone can join? Nov 08 19:07:58 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 19:08:03 you haven't been blocked Nov 08 19:08:04 i want the oceania list moderated stood down and for oceania to acknowledge the fact that they Nov 08 19:08:07 halo-mtg: go ahead Nov 08 19:08:14 hang on.. Nov 08 19:08:16 who moderates the oceania list? Nov 08 19:08:20 are abusing their role as moderators to silence dissent. Nov 08 19:08:22 wowi, it hasn't happend before Nov 08 19:08:25 ok Nov 08 19:08:28 unf Nov 08 19:08:32 ok Nov 08 19:08:33 halo pabs and i Nov 08 19:08:35 fluff end? Nov 08 19:08:35 * shayne shayne_afk Nov 08 19:08:40 I vote that brisbane pple have kicking priveliges revoked for this discussion Nov 08 19:08:43 * ngaur raise Nov 08 19:08:46 * allan_x vibes watch alert RED Nov 08 19:08:47 --- shayne is now known as shayne_afk Nov 08 19:08:57 ngaur: Nov 08 19:09:10 hey hangon Nov 08 19:09:13 * wowi asks that people please keep the comments constructive Nov 08 19:09:14 why was i blocked without explanation? why was my list subscription rejected without explanation? Nov 08 19:09:21 there has been a pretty clear concensus decision to 'silence disent' on this topic Nov 08 19:09:26 pls raise!!! people Nov 08 19:09:28 one at a time Nov 08 19:09:29 one at a time. Nov 08 19:09:30 your list subscription has not been rejected Nov 08 19:09:37 so it's pretty much the moderator's job to do it at that point Nov 08 19:09:49 * stacy raises Nov 08 19:09:52 stacy: Nov 08 19:09:52 * halo-mtg repeats her question that she asked after she raised Nov 08 19:09:56 end Nov 08 19:09:57 who moderates the oceania list? Nov 08 19:10:00 i tried to join the list last week Nov 08 19:10:04 pabs and and_ Nov 08 19:10:09 thankyou Nov 08 19:10:13 and_ are you saying you will reinstate shaun's subscription? Nov 08 19:10:17 and someone from nz Nov 08 19:10:25 hi pabs :) Nov 08 19:10:34 * allan_x please ALL STOP - and observe the protocols Nov 08 19:10:44 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:10:44 end Nov 08 19:11:02 and_: go ahead Nov 08 19:11:10 shaun's subscription was never revoked, he was not on the list Nov 08 19:11:21 he is applying to get on the list Nov 08 19:11:31 * stacy raises Nov 08 19:11:34 we thought we should ask the list Nov 08 19:11:49 i admit having been slack about it Nov 08 19:11:51 shaun has says he didn't agree to be part of oceania . has he changed his mind? Nov 08 19:12:08 because you blocked my post and list subscription last week, knowing that i wanted to discuss kimci's banning. Nov 08 19:12:24 stacy: go ahead Nov 08 19:12:31 sorry was looking in the archive Nov 08 19:12:40 fluff you post was bloacked becuase there was a decision to ewnd the no more he says she says crap that was going on Nov 08 19:12:56 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:13:00 unless it's by kimk or takver? Nov 08 19:13:04 stacy: please talk Nov 08 19:13:08 * stacy unraises Nov 08 19:13:10 sorry Nov 08 19:13:12 fluff: pls raise and let others speak Nov 08 19:13:19 np :) Nov 08 19:13:25 and_: go ahead Nov 08 19:13:39 are there people here who object to shaun being on the list? Nov 08 19:13:46 * fluff raises Nov 08 19:13:53 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 19:13:55 * allan_x please OBSERVE PROTOCOLS or this discussion is futile and redundant. what is the agenda, topoic etc Nov 08 19:14:23 fluff: go ahead Nov 08 19:14:34 again i point out that the moderation does not apply to takver or kimk Nov 08 19:14:38 i want to know why kimk is allowed in oceania when she is not in an imc. Nov 08 19:14:43 * wowi asks people to consider and_ 's question in the meantime.. Nov 08 19:14:46 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:14:46 is oceania open to anybody at all, regardless of whether they are in an imc? Nov 08 19:15:01 * allan_x raises Nov 08 19:15:01 you're all behaving as though kimk is the "real brisbane indymedia". how offensive! Nov 08 19:15:02 halo-mtg: go ahead Nov 08 19:15:06 * ngaur raises Nov 08 19:15:18 --> arm_da_spirit (cgiirc@202.155.147.241) has joined #oceania Nov 08 19:15:32 wasn't there a proposal to shift the bribane/oceania discussion off the list and onto wiki? it was agreed on by everyone including kimci. i have no objection to shaun being on the list as long as this proposal is enforced on *all* list members Nov 08 19:15:35 * pabs raises Nov 08 19:15:39 fluff: yes oceania is open to all Nov 08 19:15:45 fuck this is stupid Nov 08 19:15:48 <-- allan_x has quit (Quit: offtodestroy2000yrsofculture...azadi) Nov 08 19:16:08 it's one rule for the "dedicated indy crew" and another if you're not popular. Nov 08 19:16:30 double standards are the new standard. Nov 08 19:16:32 ngaur: ? Nov 08 19:16:43 fluff: speak in turn pls.. so people can respond to you Nov 08 19:16:51 give me a sec Nov 08 19:17:05 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 19:17:06 sorry i think and_ was first anywyas.. Nov 08 19:17:07 fluff: that item posted was fairly extraordinary Nov 08 19:17:09 ok, i am going to put a post out to the oceania list now asking if there are objections to shaun being on the list unless anyone objects Nov 08 19:17:11 i agree with halo-mtg Nov 08 19:17:17 it's basically going to imc-process. Nov 08 19:17:27 it is at imc-process level Nov 08 19:17:31 right now. Nov 08 19:17:33 oceania is still figuring out where it stands on that sort of proposal Nov 08 19:17:43 clara has commented at length in #oceania. Nov 08 19:17:50 there's a need for people to be in the loop about what's being said Nov 08 19:17:57 hrm. Nov 08 19:17:59 ok. Nov 08 19:18:04 it's a hard one to judge Nov 08 19:18:07 stop for a second everyone.. Nov 08 19:18:11 breathe :) Nov 08 19:18:18 lets do this one item at a time Nov 08 19:18:32 1. shaun being on imc-oceania Nov 08 19:18:47 2.kimci being on imc-oceania Nov 08 19:19:13 kimk being on imc-oceania? Nov 08 19:19:24 sure Nov 08 19:19:26 that's 3. Nov 08 19:19:37 4. mimc proposal.. (not an agenda item which perhaps may need to em left) Nov 08 19:19:40 *be Nov 08 19:19:44 1. Nov 08 19:19:45 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:19:49 and_: go ahead Nov 08 19:19:53 5. list moderation Nov 08 19:19:58 4.takver and kimk posting bimc allegations to oceania Nov 08 19:20:11 cool Nov 08 19:20:18 for me 2 and 3 are already resolved and there is no problem, it's not a imc only llist Nov 08 19:20:25 .. while kimci gets kicked for it. Nov 08 19:20:29 1. i'll send am email to oceania Nov 08 19:20:29 ok.. Nov 08 19:20:35 pls raise or i will kick Nov 08 19:20:36 grr Nov 08 19:20:41 and that's it Nov 08 19:20:46 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 19:20:50 --- ferret gives channel operator status to arm_da_spirit Nov 08 19:20:51 i'm not interested in engaging in shaun's childishness Nov 08 19:20:52 sorry i forgot pabs Nov 08 19:20:55 * halo-mtg raises for #5 Nov 08 19:20:58 ok Nov 08 19:20:59 so i am out of here soon Nov 08 19:21:00 * pabs just wanted to say that there are 52 email addresses subscribed to imc-oceania, do we want to subject them all to scrutiny as to whether thay can stay on the list Nov 08 19:21:04 /end Nov 08 19:21:09 <>end Nov 08 19:21:09 :) Nov 08 19:21:15 halo-mtg: go ahead Nov 08 19:21:26 if there is question over the impartiality of the list moderators, then would it be possible to have a rotating responsibility for list moderation of some sort? i wouldn't mind doing it for a bit.. Nov 08 19:21:38 <-- claremarie-afk has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Nov 08 19:21:43 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:21:45 * fluff raises Nov 08 19:21:55 end Nov 08 19:21:59 halo-mtg: sounds like a good proposal Nov 08 19:22:05 pls send it to imc-oceania Nov 08 19:22:10 oaky Nov 08 19:22:20 and_: Nov 08 19:22:28 * shayne_afk raises and then says: fluff. what the fuck is up with you abusing perth on brisbanes wire. Nov 08 19:22:42 fuck this. I support disafiliation and I'm out of this meeting. Nov 08 19:22:49 pissed off Nov 08 19:22:51 <-- shayne_afk (shayne@guildpc7.murdoch.edu.au) has left #oceania Nov 08 19:22:52 shayne_afk: i was about to kick for that one.. Nov 08 19:22:54 i am happy for oration to occue Nov 08 19:23:06 * ferret raises Nov 08 19:23:12 fluff: go ahead Nov 08 19:23:16 sorry rotation Nov 08 19:23:17 i have raised legit concerns abouts And's neutrality. he is abusing his role as list moderator. Nov 08 19:23:29 i am supposed to receive a response Nov 08 19:23:34 fluff: noted, would rotation suit you? Nov 08 19:23:49 i wanted to discuss kimci being kicked BEFORE he got kicked Nov 08 19:23:55 ok.. Nov 08 19:24:01 nd Nov 08 19:24:03 end Nov 08 19:24:05 we'll get onto that in a minute.. Nov 08 19:24:10 ferret: go ahead Nov 08 19:24:26 and is one of three moderators. are they all in question? Nov 08 19:24:31 * ferret wanted to ask that sewaring be kept out of meeting Nov 08 19:24:35 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:24:44 not useful. end Nov 08 19:24:47 :) Nov 08 19:24:49 * stacy raises Nov 08 19:24:58 and_: go ahead Nov 08 19:25:18 i will not rotate cause shaun wants me to but beacuse people on the list do and as kimk says it's not all my responsibility to let or not let mesgs through Nov 08 19:25:36 /end Nov 08 19:25:39 * pabs raises Nov 08 19:25:57 you're supposed to RESPOND. not just ignore me! Nov 08 19:26:14 * ngaur raises Nov 08 19:26:39 fluff: you got your response just then, it is being put to the list for discussion. And_ has acknowledged his error. Does that answer your question? Nov 08 19:27:02 * stacy thinks wowi is asleep Nov 08 19:27:10 and halo sugested a moderation rotation to solve it Nov 08 19:27:13 this is so obviously an example of silencing dissent. It is so obviously personal. Nov 08 19:27:24 sorry stacy i am talking to manila imc people... another fight Nov 08 19:27:29 fluff: try asking a question Nov 08 19:27:39 please raise stacy Nov 08 19:27:43 pabs: go Nov 08 19:27:50 oh sorry you did Nov 08 19:27:55 my bad. Nov 08 19:28:16 * pabs would be glad to defer the spam discarding to some other people Nov 08 19:28:36 Nov 08 19:28:38 * fluff raises Nov 08 19:28:41 if you ask questions, fluff, we can try to answer them. end Nov 08 19:29:07 cut n paste not working Nov 08 19:29:08 fluff: go ahead Nov 08 19:29:09 wowi's busy Nov 08 19:29:17 can I just speak? Nov 08 19:29:21 if oceania couldn't reach consensus to reccomend brisbane's delisting, Nov 08 19:29:27 ngaur: i'm being told off atm sorry. ;0 Nov 08 19:29:30 ;) Nov 08 19:29:34 why will none of you Nov 08 19:29:38 fluff: whydo you care? Nov 08 19:29:38 hrm Nov 08 19:29:42 hang on. Nov 08 19:29:44 oppose MIMC's proposal? there is no new evidence against us. Nov 08 19:29:45 off topice Nov 08 19:29:50 * wowi will kick Nov 08 19:29:52 why not just do your own thing Nov 08 19:29:59 that is that last thing we'll discuss Nov 08 19:30:00 ok.. Nov 08 19:30:07 * and_ is not enagaging in a whole brisbane discussion now, it's late Nov 08 19:30:12 and_: will shaun be added? Nov 08 19:30:13 why do you want oceania to take sides Nov 08 19:30:25 i sent it to the list wowi Nov 08 19:30:45 fluff: kimci was removed from the list, as proposed by andy and consensed upon by oceania Nov 08 19:30:48 and_: cool Nov 08 19:31:01 * and_ raises Nov 08 19:31:12 halo-mtg is proposing a rotating moderation. Nov 08 19:31:17 and_: yep Nov 08 19:31:31 because you didn't like his arguments? Nov 08 19:31:38 no problem with rotating moderation, propose it to the lsit and look for volunteers Nov 08 19:31:56 fluff: pls read the email. Nov 08 19:32:11 rotation may be no bad thing in various ways, but I don't see it solving the matter at hand Nov 08 19:32:11 deadline re bris dissfiliation will be sent through soon, can people take it to their collectivs and adopt a position please Nov 08 19:32:15 /end Nov 08 19:32:38 the proposal was because of his repeated abuse. and consensed upon. thus there is no point to debate it further Nov 08 19:32:39 i have read it. i still don't understand why kimci was kicked, and i was blocked from the discussion Nov 08 19:32:49 he was abusive repeatedly Nov 08 19:33:05 and he himself declared that he did not want to be involved/affiliated with oceania Nov 08 19:33:06 now that kind of behaviour is not consistent with the PoU, is it? Nov 08 19:33:07 * halo-mtg raises Nov 08 19:33:19 fluff: indeed. that is why he was removed Nov 08 19:33:28 ok, i think we don't need to go over this anymore Nov 08 19:33:36 halo-mtg: go ahead Nov 08 19:33:42 * wowi agrees with and_ Nov 08 19:33:46 you're all clutching at straws to justify your lynch mob mentality Nov 08 19:33:50 nope. Nov 08 19:34:02 ngaur, rotation was suggested to help diffuse feelings of impartiality on the part of current moderators Nov 08 19:34:08 we made a decision as a network. it was consensed upon. Nov 08 19:34:15 (sorry about the funny wording of that..) Nov 08 19:34:18 end Nov 08 19:34:26 no i liked the wording ;) Nov 08 19:34:35 ngaur: any response? Nov 08 19:34:38 consensed without me 'cause And blocked my e-mail!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 08 19:34:43 not sure Nov 08 19:35:05 It seems like the ring of people being abused by bimc members grows ever wider Nov 08 19:35:06 * and_ is not participating in this discussion now and suggest topic be closed but that we have a proper bris discussion in the future Nov 08 19:35:07 --> shayne_afk (shayne@guildpc7.murdoch.edu.au) has joined #oceania Nov 08 19:35:07 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to shayne_afk Nov 08 19:35:13 fluff: nevertheless consensed upon. Nov 08 19:35:19 ok Nov 08 19:35:21 no Nov 08 19:35:33 shayne_afk: you swear again i kick as requested by ferret ;) Nov 08 19:35:34 i can't believe you just said that! Nov 08 19:36:07 fluff: the support was overwhelming Nov 08 19:36:16 i had no idea you weren't on the list. Nov 08 19:36:18 BUT. Nov 08 19:36:36 * pabs raises Nov 08 19:36:41 oceania in the past ahs agreed on one week bans for abusive posts Nov 08 19:36:42 --- gdm-afk is now known as gdm Nov 08 19:36:52 and then a continuation of that being an indefinite ban Nov 08 19:37:06 the proposal is ont eh wiki under etiquite. Nov 08 19:37:11 so it was not a conspiracy Nov 08 19:37:27 but inline with wwhat we had agreed on for a respectfull online workspace Nov 08 19:37:31 pabs: go ahead Nov 08 19:37:33 * pabs just wonders why fluff was not on the list at the time he send an the email in question Nov 08 19:37:39 the reason? Nov 08 19:37:50 * ngaur has to go very soon Nov 08 19:38:03 it was requested that brisbane people stay off the list Nov 08 19:38:16 <-- and_ (~and_@c211-28-79-145.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has left #oceania (Leaving) Nov 08 19:38:30 then kimci got kicked, but kimk is allowed to remain. Nov 08 19:38:43 kimk was not abusive Nov 08 19:38:47 kimci was. Nov 08 19:38:49 */me raise Nov 08 19:38:50 repeatedly Nov 08 19:38:58 gdm: go ahead Nov 08 19:38:58 * gdm raises Nov 08 19:39:09 reiterate what u said, wowi Nov 08 19:39:19 also, kimk is actively contributing to stuff Nov 08 19:39:28 eg, video, a-p solidarity Nov 08 19:39:30 itwas proposed to stop discussing bimc. kimci was kicked, but kimk and takver are posting one side of the story. where is our opportunity to reply? Nov 08 19:39:40 kimk also said she's no longer in bris imc Nov 08 19:39:58 this is a show trial. oceania is supposed to made up of imc members Nov 08 19:40:09 may i finish? Nov 08 19:40:34 their posts have primarily gone to imc-process with copies to oceania for information, *not* for discussion Nov 08 19:40:46 i have finished now ;-) Nov 08 19:40:48 Nov 08 19:40:50 fluff: to clarify, takver simply ccd a post to imc-process from MIMC Nov 08 19:40:59 he is the process liason for MIMC Nov 08 19:41:13 kimci as i understan is on imc-process. Nov 08 19:41:42 yeh what gdm said :) Nov 08 19:41:47 ok. Nov 08 19:41:50 are we done then? Nov 08 19:41:58 * gdm raises again Nov 08 19:42:15 gdm: go on Nov 08 19:42:17 repeat reminder/request for someone to post some minutes please :-) Nov 08 19:42:27 and also the logs Nov 08 19:42:31 please :) Nov 08 19:42:31 i - and i guess others - missed a lot of the meeting Nov 08 19:42:51 but minutes especially cos not everyone has time to go thru the logs dBh=k k  y l   J ~ K v Bh=k k  y l   J ~ K v Rp6t$l=w ^ /k(HiD'Ek:X'_ : J!!! "A"""""#R#o#dv Rp6t$l=w R~==GR}(7= ^ /k((HiD'Ek:X'_ : J!!!! 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