have longer descriptions than before Jul 26 19:55:59 <andycat> some cities have changed - their <title> have longer descriptions than before Jul 26 19:56:01 <and_> er cool, i'm going to the pub i think Jul 26 19:56:06 <pabs> :) Jul 26 19:56:10 <and_> some one send the logs to the list? Jul 26 19:56:23 <pabs> yar Jul 26 19:56:54 <brain_fear> will do Jul 26 19:57:29 <gdm> can you stick it on the wiki page, too? Jul 26 19:57:38 <brain_fear> yep Jul 26 19:58:08 <pabs> andycat: which ones? Jul 26 19:58:22 <andycat> It seems to be aotearoa's RSS - has it changed recently does anybody know? Jul 26 19:58:48 <finn> features.1-0.drf? Jul 26 19:58:54 <zl2tod> might be related to the php4 chaos Jul 26 19:58:57 <brain_fear> http://oceania.indymedia.org/oceania.1-0.rss Jul 26 19:59:16 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 19:59:31 <pabs> andycat: nz uses the same rss for both long and short Jul 26 19:59:45 <brain_fear> must be Jul 26 19:59:49 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 19:59:55 <pabs> must be that hack i added Jul 26 20:00:11 <finn> eeek Jul 26 20:00:30 <brain_fear> luckily nz has a description tag Jul 26 20:01:01 <andycat> pabs: oh nothing changed expect that hack you added :))) Jul 26 20:01:37 <pabs> basically all the hack does is swap the description and title for nz's feed: Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> if($feed_url eq "http://indymedia.org.nz/"){ Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> my $tmp = $item->{'description'}; Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> $item->{'description'} = $item->{'title'}; Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> $item->{'title'} = $tmp; Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> } Jul 26 20:02:21 --- and_ is now known as wowi Jul 26 20:02:37 <wowi> hey crew! Jul 26 20:02:52 <wowi> so maaany virtual faces.. :) Jul 26 20:03:05 --- wowi is now known as and_ Jul 26 20:03:08 <pabs> hia wowi ! Jul 26 20:04:10 <brain_fear> hopefully darwin is added to the cities.inc file soon Jul 26 20:04:28 <pabs> hmm Jul 26 20:04:40 --- and_ is now known as wowi Jul 26 20:04:43 <andycat> pabs: why did you do that? Jul 26 20:05:04 * andycat waves at wowi Jul 26 20:05:14 <finn> hi wowi Jul 26 20:05:17 <pabs> because all the other feeds put the story title in description and the category in title for the short feeds Jul 26 20:06:33 <andycat> pabs: hmm, where did u put this code? is this on nz site, or in the perl aggregator stuff? Jul 26 20:06:49 * wowi waves Jul 26 20:06:50 <pabs> in aggregate_imc_rss.pl Jul 26 20:06:59 <wowi> ..and grins stupidly Jul 26 20:07:00 <andycat> i have to fix the xslt doing the right hand side column syndication on sydney imc Jul 26 20:07:31 <pabs> this must be a new record in this channel Jul 26 20:07:56 <pabs> ok, enuf of this boring long rss stuff, what next? Jul 26 20:08:56 <pabs> active.org.au, axxs/daves server, video stuff, moving away from active & activismo software that is maintained ?? Jul 26 20:09:10 <pabs> to something that is ... rather Jul 26 20:09:18 --- claremarie-afk is now known as claremarie Jul 26 20:10:12 <andycat> well rss was the first item on the ImcOceaniaConfTech wiki page, 2. is regional imc tech list - which is done Jul 26 20:10:12 <pabs> brb, pizza Jul 26 20:10:41 <shayne> hey wowi Jul 26 20:10:43 <andycat> 3. online meetings - like this one ... we didnt email out about it tho' . lists.cat.org.au was done for a while (still intermittent) sorry Jul 26 20:11:21 <andycat> so I guess we could set another time for the next (advertised) oceania indy IRC meeting... Jul 26 20:11:46 <gdm> yup Jul 26 20:11:52 <gdm> go fer it andy! Jul 26 20:11:56 <gdm> say, 2 weeks today? Jul 26 20:13:01 <finn> yep ok Jul 26 20:13:18 <finn> what was the active.org.au discussion? Jul 26 20:13:20 <wowi> hey shayne Jul 26 20:13:27 <finn> just the domain, or the software? Jul 26 20:13:32 <wowi> finn: i got anares bks :P Jul 26 20:13:38 <finn> cool Jul 26 20:13:43 <pabs> finn: some kind of direction Jul 26 20:13:49 <finn> ok Jul 26 20:14:06 <finn> i'm coding a replacement for our old active calendar Jul 26 20:14:16 <finn> using drupal as a base Jul 26 20:14:27 <finn> most of the work is done [by drupal] Jul 26 20:15:00 <finn> it's stuck on my laptop for now Jul 26 20:15:31 <finn> it'll have good rss + category support Jul 26 20:15:46 <zl2tod> tha calendar module in drupal was very painless Jul 26 20:15:58 <finn> so hopefully other nz websites will be able to import rss + html snippets that interest them Jul 26 20:16:05 <andycat> finn: maybe 7. from http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaConfTech -- ie focusing on moving existing sites away to a good, new replacement software Jul 26 20:16:54 * shayne sticks oceangirl - brisbane on the agenda Jul 26 20:16:58 <andycat> there is active.org.au cities (different focus to indymedia sites) - sydney.indymedia would be up for new software, as would global.indymedia.org .. brisbane too :) Jul 26 20:17:01 <shayne> (please) Jul 26 20:17:10 <gdm> edit the wiki pages!! Jul 26 20:17:13 <pabs> and perth please Jul 26 20:17:14 <gdm> i'm not doing it at present Jul 26 20:17:18 <gdm> pabs! Jul 26 20:17:22 <gdm> shayne! Jul 26 20:17:24 <gdm> ;-) Jul 26 20:18:58 <shayne> done Jul 26 20:19:13 <shayne> er... where are we. Jul 26 20:21:10 --- wowi is now known as wowi-pub Jul 26 20:21:21 <gdm> #oceania Jul 26 20:21:26 <wowi-pub> later.. Jul 26 20:21:31 <shayne> ok Jul 26 20:21:33 <pabs> cya Jul 26 20:21:36 * andycat wants to be at the pub too Jul 26 20:22:08 <shayne> Does anyone object to brisbane being put on the oceangirl system, and an oceangirlbot being left in #oceania-news? Jul 26 20:22:19 <wowi-pub> andy: GO GO GO!! Jul 26 20:22:30 <shayne> oceangirl btw is a bot created by perth that just tells us everytime a story is posted Jul 26 20:22:37 <shayne> makes it much more efficient to moderate Jul 26 20:22:38 <pabs> shayne: is it ready for multiple cities yet? Jul 26 20:22:44 <shayne> she always has been Jul 26 20:22:54 <pabs> oh? Jul 26 20:22:54 <shayne> one of the xml-rpc fields is city Jul 26 20:22:58 <pabs> ah, k Jul 26 20:23:25 * shayne turns up black flag Jul 26 20:23:25 <-- finn has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Jul 26 20:23:31 <andycat> what is the API for putting messages into an IRC channel.. ie what language, how much code, which libraries.. :) Jul 26 20:23:33 <shayne> rise above we gonna rise above Jul 26 20:23:37 <shayne> yeah yeah. Jul 26 20:24:32 <pabs> python, a tiny amount, python-irc & python xmlrpc Jul 26 20:24:42 <axxs> :) Jul 26 20:24:49 <pabs> actually, just a little bit of php Jul 26 20:24:51 <axxs> someone say python? Jul 26 20:24:58 <pabs> pythi\on on the server side Jul 26 20:25:05 <axxs> hehe Jul 26 20:25:09 <claremarie> oceangirl might be a good idea. will i be inundated with mail though? Jul 26 20:25:19 <pabs> you can have email off Jul 26 20:25:32 <andycat> pabs: so only php code on the active-server side? Jul 26 20:25:36 <pabs> yep Jul 26 20:25:45 <andycat> how much php do you need to add to make new_data-process.php3 add the msgs to an irc channel? Jul 26 20:26:05 <pabs> a few lines, plus the php-xmplrpc libs Jul 26 20:26:07 <andycat> new libraries needed? Jul 26 20:26:09 <andycat> :) Jul 26 20:26:22 <andycat> kewl Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> <?php Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> include("xmllib/xmlrpc.inc"); Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> function reportbot($message) Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> { Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> $client=new xmlrpc_client("talker", "guild.murdoch.edu.au", 4321); Jul 26 20:26:29 <shayne> $msg=new xmlrpcmsg("talk",array(new xmlrpcval($message,"string"))); Jul 26 20:26:32 <shayne> $response=$client->send($msg); Jul 26 20:26:34 <shayne> } Jul 26 20:26:55 <shayne> That baby can be called anyware on the net and will cause oceangirlbot to send the message to the channel Jul 26 20:27:24 --> finn has joined #oceania Jul 26 20:27:52 <andycat> shanye: so your server is a "centralised" backend that then forwards the message to another irc server?, or would that code example need to be changed to say che.indymedia.org (the irc server here) Jul 26 20:28:01 <pabs> shayne: are u sure about that city field? i don't see any in the code - maybe you mean my rewrite? Jul 26 20:28:13 <shayne> Thats the generic message code. Jul 26 20:28:32 <shayne> theres another xml-rpc function that generates proper reports Jul 26 20:28:34 <pabs> andycat: publishserver -> xmplrpc server -> ircserver Jul 26 20:28:48 <pabs> andycat: conway -> perthimc -> che Jul 26 20:28:48 <andycat> ok Jul 26 20:28:51 <shayne> andy: I just tell oceangirl to sit in a channel and she does it Jul 26 20:28:59 <shayne> hold up Jul 26 20:29:55 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 20:30:12 <andycat> so your xmlrpc server is going to be always up & multiplexing .. so then .. i assume the xmlrpc api lets you specific the irc server and channel etc? Jul 26 20:30:15 <pabs> andycat: oceangirl lives in #oceania-news atm & reports perth's newswire Jul 26 20:30:41 <shayne> er.. I can set up new bots and all from the script Jul 26 20:30:46 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 20:31:02 <andycat> oceangirl specifically being a pyhton server which contains an irc bot ... ? Jul 26 20:31:21 <pabs> yep Jul 26 20:31:22 <andycat> the xmlrpc server is a gateway from somewhere to the oceangirl python server ... ? Jul 26 20:31:28 <axxs> pybot? Jul 26 20:31:44 <pabs> andycat: yep Jul 26 20:31:51 <pabs> pybot? Jul 26 20:32:11 <axxs> a python irc bot .. real easy to script Jul 26 20:32:29 <pabs> og uses this: http://python-irclib.sourceforge.net/ Jul 26 20:32:35 <axxs> was just asking :) Jul 26 20:32:52 <axxs> ahh yea .. Jul 26 20:33:14 <axxs> thought you had a bot in the channel my mistake Jul 26 20:33:41 <pabs> it lives in #oceania-news Jul 26 20:34:15 <zl2tod> anyone know who chillinchillin is ? Jul 26 20:34:48 <pabs> nasty filesharing robot is my guess Jul 26 20:35:53 <pabs> anyway, where were we? Jul 26 20:37:29 <shayne> hey pabs: where is og stashed on the guild server again? Jul 26 20:37:43 <pabs> /home/shayne/og iirc Jul 26 20:37:50 <shayne> ok Jul 26 20:38:20 <shayne> Do we have consensus that I add in an og hook into brissy code? Jul 26 20:38:28 <shayne> actually scrap that. Jul 26 20:38:43 <shayne> Pabs: mind if I use your account so I can have a nosy at the new-data-process code? Jul 26 20:39:34 <pabs> ah, just grab the code - active.org.au/source Jul 26 20:44:58 <pabs> andycat / shayne / all: do we agree that codebases that are not actively maintained need to be migrated away from? Jul 26 20:45:13 <pabs> ie no more active or activismo (even v2) Jul 26 20:47:07 <pabs> because there is not enough ppl to maintain them Jul 26 20:47:24 <shayne> activismo is still being maintaine dude Jul 26 20:47:53 * gdm agrees w/ pabs Jul 26 20:48:00 <pabs> well, imo its a sorry mess & I'd rather not bother any more - that leaves u shayne Jul 26 20:48:47 <pabs> codebases need to be collectively maintained, or else they die Jul 26 20:49:01 <pabs> one person is not enuf Jul 26 20:49:50 * gdm agrees again w/ pabs Jul 26 20:49:51 <shayne> hrmp Jul 26 20:49:55 <pabs> i know its yr baby, but it really needs an overhall Jul 26 20:49:56 <gdm> is anyone else working on it? Jul 26 20:50:15 <gdm> yeah.... we finally got that message thru to andycat (dig!) Jul 26 20:50:18 <pabs> a2 is good, but unfinished, and only u know the code Jul 26 20:50:41 <brain_fear> has anyone seen any docs relating to disk space and static files from codebases? Jul 26 20:50:59 <claremarie> see yas Jul 26 20:51:03 <pabs> cya claremarie Jul 26 20:51:05 <-- claremarie has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Jul 26 20:51:09 <axxs> on a tangent ... I'm working on a open-workflow (ope publishing) system for the Plone codebase .... a way away yet from a release tho .. another few weeks till it will usable as a base Jul 26 20:51:25 * pabs eeks at plone Jul 26 20:51:29 <brain_fear> axxs: is this pigs arse? Jul 26 20:51:43 <axxs> yea it's not up there yet tho ... Jul 26 20:52:55 <axxs> not far from release .. and the benefit is an active community around the 'extras' ... because most of the work is contained in custom workflows ... Jul 26 20:53:35 <axxs> the main codebase can be made anonymous .. its the logging etc thats the effort. ... and placement of posts Jul 26 20:54:08 <axxs> anyways don't want to jump the gun ;) will announce when its able to be tested Jul 26 20:55:09 <axxs> I'll import to cvs soon Jul 26 20:56:00 <gdm> btw, here's another 'quit' message: [Quit: how can u trust somebody called 'gates' who produces 'windows'?] Jul 26 20:56:13 <andycat> gdm: i knew that all along - i've never been resisting moving away from active - i've not had time to do it! its DIY around here remember Jul 26 20:56:44 <gdm> lol - was only winding you up!! Jul 26 20:56:59 <axxs> andycat, the best tool for the person doing the job before them Jul 26 20:57:18 <andycat> axxs: huh? Jul 26 20:57:55 <axxs> well the best code/os whatever that someone finds they are most productive on .. Jul 26 20:58:55 <halo> ooh full house tonight :) Jul 26 21:00:10 * shayne grabs a gun. Jul 26 21:00:18 <shayne> keep that plona away from mah server Jul 26 21:00:48 <shayne> also: I've done plenty fiddlin with drupal. Jul 26 21:01:08 --> takver has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:01:09 <zl2tod> heh - ok ... who HASN'T been playing with drupal ? Jul 26 21:01:10 <shayne> I can see it may indeed be possible to use it for an indy site, tho its a bit of a headfuck to configure Jul 26 21:02:48 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 21:03:04 <pabs> as far as choosing which server, i think it should be up to users of the site - a poll and a buncha test sites imo Jul 26 21:03:11 <pabs> which codebase i mena Jul 26 21:03:14 <pabs> mean Jul 26 21:03:43 <shayne> yeah but what if the plebs chose active? Jul 26 21:03:56 <shayne> wed then have to close up, light the server on fire and run Jul 26 21:04:05 <pabs> that wouldn't be one of the options, now would it Jul 26 21:04:05 <shayne> :) Jul 26 21:04:05 <gdm> agrees w/ shaynes first comment about headfuck Jul 26 21:04:46 <shayne> basically drupals reaaaly reaaaly reaaaly idiosyncratic Jul 26 21:05:52 <pabs> An unusual individual reaction to food or a drug? Jul 26 21:06:01 * gdm thinks conway's down again Jul 26 21:06:43 <andycat> well just went up again actually :) Jul 26 21:07:14 <andycat> I just updated http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 slightly Jul 26 21:07:24 <andycat> see : PROPOSAL : Oceania IMC IRC meeting - 9th August - same times. same channel. same caves. Jul 26 21:08:00 <andycat> basically I changed the section Jul 26 21:08:02 <andycat> review the conf minutes (tech notes, et al) Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> * from ImcOceaniaConfTech: Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> o long syndication is sorted Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> o oceania-tech list is sorted Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> o we need a more widely announced irc meet in 1-2 weeks Jul 26 21:08:05 <andycat> o PROPOSAL : Oceania IMC IRC meeting - 9th August - same times. same channel. same caves. Jul 26 21:08:08 <andycat> o indymedia.org.au email mailboxes : nothing done yet. Jul 26 21:08:10 <andycat> o internalisation on oceania indymedia : nothing done yet. Jul 26 21:08:11 <andycat> o global imc-tech and oceania tech collaboration. : no discussion Jul 26 21:08:18 <andycat> o upgrades to new codebases : need to move away from unmaintained codebases (eg active !) Jul 26 21:08:22 <gdm> kool thanks andycat Jul 26 21:08:55 <pabs> re email boxes: how easy is it to turn those off? Jul 26 21:11:37 <andycat> pabs: well - we can reject them by simply not having that domain in "locals" (/var/qmail/control ?) in the qmail system on conway Jul 26 21:11:59 <andycat> but there is a proposal to have regional aliases - eg brisbane@indymedia.org.au --> imc-brisbane-admin@lists.cat.org.au for exmaple Jul 26 21:12:09 <andycat> or sydney@indymedia.org.au to go to imc-sydney@lists.cat.org.au ... Jul 26 21:12:29 <pabs> it aint in /etc/qmail/locals Jul 26 21:12:48 <gdm> yeah, i think that's a great idea Jul 26 21:12:53 <andycat> locate locals :) Jul 26 21:12:53 <gdm> much easier to comprehend Jul 26 21:13:12 <andycat> gdm: which idea does thoust refer to ? Jul 26 21:13:23 <pabs> andycat: /etc/qmail/ rcpthosts & virtualdomains Jul 26 21:13:57 <andycat> gdm: r u going to link OceaniaTechMeet1 to somewhere? Jul 26 21:14:02 <gdm> yes Jul 26 21:14:12 <andycat> from somwhere i should say ? .. oh , where? Jul 26 21:14:15 <brain_fear> does anyone want to take over logging, i'm off to bed Jul 26 21:14:26 <gdm> idea = aliases sydney@indymedia.org.au ==> imc-sydney@lists... Jul 26 21:14:29 <pabs> i have been all along brain_fear, i can continue Jul 26 21:14:36 <gdm> i'm logging but also to bed soon Jul 26 21:14:42 <gdm> pabs may be better Jul 26 21:14:55 <brain_fear> pabs: are you going to post them on the wiki then? Jul 26 21:15:07 <pabs> yar Jul 26 21:15:15 <brain_fear> pabs: sounds good Jul 26 21:15:16 <brain_fear> nite all Jul 26 21:15:20 <-- brain_fear has quit () Jul 26 21:17:16 <andycat> pabs: yes for it to be done properly as virtual domain (in emailspace) thats where you'd start - then vadddomain etc (this stuff might be in the catfaq) Jul 26 21:17:34 <pabs> might also be in the riseup docs Jul 26 21:17:56 <gdm> does riseup have docs about stuff? Jul 26 21:18:46 <pabs> yep Jul 26 21:22:47 <andycat> I updated http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaConfTech with my new knowledge of wiki syntax Jul 26 21:23:12 <-- finn has quit (Quit: zzz) Jul 26 21:23:37 <-- axxs has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Jul 26 21:24:28 <gdm> hello Jul 26 21:24:30 <gdm> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaTech Jul 26 21:25:57 <gdm> pabs: they don't have manual pages type info, tho, do they? Jul 26 21:26:30 <pabs> riseup? i don't think so, more server admin type stuff i think Jul 26 21:26:47 <-- wowi-pub has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 26 21:27:38 <pabs> brb, refershmentest Jul 26 21:29:13 <gdm> hey peeps: comment by shaun at http://brisbane.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=12008&group=webcast Jul 26 21:34:05 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:34:24 --> wowi-pub has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:34:54 <doll-yoko> -quoll gd comment on briz to shaun's concerns Jul 26 21:35:08 <andycat> so how to do you link something in wiki from , eg Main, to Local .. eg i'm updating my Main/AndyCat page on wiki and want to link to IMcOceania page in Local Jul 26 21:35:24 <pabs> andycat: Main.AndyCat Jul 26 21:35:48 <pabs> or Local.ImcOceania Jul 26 21:41:21 <-- wowi-pub has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 26 21:48:46 --> wowi-pub has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:56:47 <gdm> and from here, i'm leaving Jul 26 21:57:07 <-- gdm has left #oceania Jul 26 21:59:15 <-- quoll has left #oceania Jul 26 22:02:33 <pabs> and to conclude the meeting, please read the following http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/26/music_poll_letters/ Jul 26 22:06:01 --- doll-yoko is now known as rumanian Jul 26 22:06:14 --- rumanian is now known as tiny Jul 26 22:06:21 --- tiny is now known as goth Jul 26 22:06:33 * goth vanishes into the music poll Jul 26 22:06:48 <-- goth has left #oceania (haunted) Jul 26 22:08:37 <andycat> checkyas Jul 26 22:08:40 <-- andycat has quit (Quit: Leaving) Jul 26 22:09:54 --- wowi-pub is now known as and

Jul 26 17:42:26 --> axxs has joined #oceania Jul 26 17:42:40 thanks for the email pabs Jul 26 17:49:29 no probs Jul 26 17:49:44 you know about the new oceania-tech list? Jul 26 17:50:00 yep anna signed me up on it :) Jul 26 17:50:06 coolies Jul 26 17:50:18 --> brain_fear has joined #oceania Jul 26 17:51:25 <-- brain_fear has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Jul 26 17:52:26 --> brain_fear has joined #oceania Jul 26 17:53:40 --> gdm has joined #oceania Jul 26 17:53:57 hi Jul 26 17:54:10 is the tech meeting here, and soon? or am i too early? Jul 26 17:54:33 in 5 min, here afaik Jul 26 17:54:50 kool Jul 26 17:56:37 --> doll has joined #oceania Jul 26 17:58:53 hia doll, brain_fear, all Jul 26 17:59:06 hmm, where's finn & andy Jul 26 18:00:32 just txted andy Jul 26 18:00:42 ok Jul 26 18:00:44 awaiting reply Jul 26 18:00:45 I've got logging on btw Jul 26 18:00:53 coolies Jul 26 18:01:34 ditto ;-) Jul 26 18:02:26 --> andycat has joined #oceania Jul 26 18:02:29 pabs: check your email! Jul 26 18:02:36 andycat: hello :-) Jul 26 18:02:49 andycat: check your email! Jul 26 18:03:55 hello Jul 26 18:03:55 yeah Jul 26 18:03:55 ? Jul 26 18:03:55 where the meeting? Jul 26 18:04:31 here Jul 26 18:04:41 waiting for finn atm Jul 26 18:04:47 right Jul 26 18:05:25 i'm just adding romans html truncating code to oceania atm Jul 26 18:06:01 --> doll-yoko has joined #oceania Jul 26 18:06:16 * shayne gotta cruise home in a tick and will be back in a while Jul 26 18:06:26 ok shayne Jul 26 18:06:34 c ya in a bit Jul 26 18:06:43 --- shayne is now known as shayneBOT Jul 26 18:07:17 <-- doll has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) Jul 26 18:13:25 doll-yoko: any idea if roman is coming? Jul 26 18:13:56 http://oceania.indymedia.org/long.php Jul 26 18:14:08 -pabs yes..i just saw him..he was gonna buy muffins and then go home and jping mtg Jul 26 18:14:23 coolies Jul 26 18:14:32 do people thing 200 characters per feature is enough? Jul 26 18:15:25 i reckon it gives the reader enuff of an idea whether they wanna keep reading more, or not Jul 26 18:15:40 andycat: does active produce long rss feeds? Jul 26 18:15:54 pabs: is this for the long rss? Jul 26 18:15:58 yeah Jul 26 18:16:05 http://oceania.indymedia.org/long.php Jul 26 18:16:34 pabs: looks good :) Jul 26 18:17:05 itz good haven more features on that page also..yeah,. looks xcellent Jul 26 18:18:12 its 15 features, 3 per imc max atm Jul 26 18:18:31 brain_fear: hmm, dada doesn't put images in its feeds either Jul 26 18:20:32 re the 3 max ..so...if addledbrain was really powering and wrote 4 features in 2 days yeah, right!) .. the first one published wd drop off oceania page, to be replaced with most recent? Jul 26 18:20:41 pabs: so only activismo does? Jul 26 18:20:48 doll-yoko: yep Jul 26 18:20:54 k Jul 26 18:20:56 brain_fear: activismo strips html atm Jul 26 18:21:00 all html Jul 26 18:24:41 pabs: not sure - dont think so.. Jul 26 18:25:36 ok Jul 26 18:27:44 wonder where finn is... Jul 26 18:27:49 gdm: sounds like a good idea to me, except there are only 2 ppl on that list Jul 26 18:28:15 yeah, i've written and asked others to join Jul 26 18:28:56 i'm about to do that now Jul 26 18:29:04 --- clare_afk is now known as claremarie Jul 26 18:29:12 kool :-) Jul 26 18:30:43 can you give me the link though? Jul 26 18:31:05 ttp://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/listinfo/imc-brisbane-admin Jul 26 18:31:14 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 18:31:20 didn't work for me Jul 26 18:31:30 hia roman Jul 26 18:31:39 http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imc-brisbane-admin Jul 26 18:31:40 (i know the h is missing above) Jul 26 18:31:51 hi, sorry I'm late... Jul 26 18:32:20 no probs, finn is too Jul 26 18:32:36 he said his net connection is quite bad atm Jul 26 18:33:07 bummr Jul 26 18:33:22 anyone wanna do wiki notes ;-) Jul 26 18:34:12 * shayneBOT back Jul 26 18:35:11 --- shayneBOT is now known as shayne Jul 26 18:35:17 quoll?! Jul 26 18:35:32 roman (quoll) here Jul 26 18:35:37 ah.. Jul 26 18:35:39 :) Jul 26 18:37:37 quoll: there is one bug in yr scriptage - it deleted a space after a link in one of the mlebourne features Jul 26 18:39:15 gdm, i've subscribed to the list Jul 26 18:39:47 and can help with list admin if needed Jul 26 18:40:04 kool Jul 26 18:40:11 i'll juar sort it now Jul 26 18:41:24 andycat: hmm, perth active on conway has reverted to aimcstatic, can u investigate? Jul 26 18:43:02 * shayne grumbles about retiring a-perth Jul 26 18:43:24 anyone feel like putting together an agenda? Jul 26 18:44:22 claremarie: did u get it? Jul 26 18:44:52 yes ;-) Jul 26 18:46:05 i'll add: migrating away from codebases with no development teams to support them Jul 26 18:46:07 this suppoused to be general meeting or tech meeting? Jul 26 18:46:12 has conway just gone down again? Jul 26 18:46:12 gdm offers cos an agenda is a bit like a wiki ;-) Jul 26 18:46:21 heh Jul 26 18:46:34 claremarie: was tech, but can be both Jul 26 18:46:40 i wuz asking if anyone ELSE wanted to do the wiki Jul 26 18:47:17 cant we just post the log ? Jul 26 18:47:24 gdm: i'm logging btw Jul 26 18:48:24 whoa, conway routing just went even more spaz Jul 26 18:48:30 gdm: yes the attech link just went down again. Jul 26 18:48:37 fucking hell. Jul 26 18:48:38 sorry but i'm too tired to hang round long, so can't do minutes Jul 26 18:48:43 yeah, really spaced out it is!! Jul 26 18:48:47 ok, i will Jul 26 18:49:01 just post the log. Jul 26 18:49:37 as long as it isn't another 6hr meeting, logs r fine, a quick summary would be good too Jul 26 18:49:47 ok Jul 26 18:50:44 an idea : just to review the conf minutes (tech notes, et al) & then just propose a more widely annoucement IRC meeting , say in 1-2 weeks -- keep it a short meeting since it seems the vibe is very relaxed, and this irc meeting wasnt widely announced (partly due to the lists.cat.org.au server being down) Jul 26 18:50:47 ahh fantastic: brain_fear you are working on ImcOceaniaTech and i just created the link from ImcOceania!! Jul 26 18:51:26 wow, the route to conway is back Jul 26 18:51:52 yeah, wouldn't mind adding brisbane onto the end if enough ppl are interested and still around Jul 26 18:51:55 --> finn has joined #oceania Jul 26 18:51:59 pabs: yup Jul 26 18:52:02 hey finn :) Jul 26 18:52:05 hi Jul 26 18:52:06 finn: welcome :-) Jul 26 18:52:16 Should we start? Jul 26 18:52:52 hia finn Jul 26 18:52:52 yes Jul 26 18:53:00 hi pabs Jul 26 18:53:06 gdm: If we do brisbane, can we do it in-camera? Jul 26 18:53:07 yep Jul 26 18:53:10 gdm: I cancelled it Jul 26 18:53:11 and just take jotty notes Jul 26 18:53:19 as others wish, shayne Jul 26 18:53:52 Ok. Whats first on the agenda? Jul 26 18:53:55 gdm: try again Jul 26 18:53:58 it's still locked by you, brain_fear Jul 26 18:54:33 finn: dada doesn't seem to put can you make another link from that page - just type: OceaniaTechMeet1 Jul 26 18:54:48 then i'll go and edit that page Jul 26 18:55:07 perhaps oceaniatechmeet26-7-04 Jul 26 18:55:24 what about linking it from the meetings page? Jul 26 18:56:04 can do that, too Jul 26 18:57:37 so, we starting then? Jul 26 18:57:38 gdm: I just save a blank page Jul 26 18:57:42 *saved Jul 26 18:57:47 k Jul 26 18:57:54 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 18:58:04 eek Jul 26 18:58:08 hah Jul 26 18:58:38 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 18:58:42 repeat after me: "i must always use free software" Jul 26 18:59:03 i must always use free software Jul 26 18:59:16 hehehe Jul 26 19:01:17 ok then - were discussing oceania Jul 26 19:01:29 pabs: do you wanna summarise for people only joined recently?? Jul 26 19:01:49 ok... Jul 26 19:02:04 ah, in 5 min Jul 26 19:02:07 brb Jul 26 19:02:43 --- gdm has changed the topic to: tech-meet: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 | bris: http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/imc- Jul 26 19:03:17 --- gdm has changed the topic to: tech-meet: docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 | bris: lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/imc-brisbane-admin Jul 26 19:05:58 * zl2tod returns Jul 26 19:12:13 IMC-Jakarta are looking to start new-imc process. perhaps we need to look at upping there site to dada or sf Jul 26 19:13:05 i reckon so Jul 26 19:13:06 there is a dev site up Jul 26 19:13:17 jakartadev.cat.org.au Jul 26 19:13:30 cool Jul 26 19:13:31 needs a minor update, redesign Jul 26 19:14:13 i've migrated a couple times now, so if the codebase is newish, i could get everything migrated over in a night Jul 26 19:14:29 the ed work is another story tho Jul 26 19:14:42 awesome, they are hosted on the pod tho aren't they? Jul 26 19:14:58 isn't cat.org.au offline at the moment? we're waiting to reach adelaidedev.cat.org.au to make a few changes Jul 26 19:15:07 [i won't have any decent net access for at least another week tho] Jul 26 19:15:36 pabs: for now, but we'll have to move them off Jul 26 19:15:50 eek fine,shayne: that box is offline, and is in gdm's cupboard! - but it is destined to go back online - max 2 weeks offline sorry :( Jul 26 19:15:55 eek fin,shayne: that box is offline, and is in gdm's cupboard! - but it is destined to go back online - max 2 weeks offline sorry :( Jul 26 19:16:06 eek finn,shayne: that box is offline, and is in gdm's cupboard! - but it is destined to go back online - max 2 weeks offline sorry :( Jul 26 19:16:08 :) Jul 26 19:16:26 it's all wired up and ready to go Jul 26 19:16:54 quoll: are there any concrete plans for an reopening party yet? Jul 26 19:17:06 update: oceania-tech list, http://oceania.indymedia.org/long.php - html truncation & bad character fixage now working - minor bugs, no feeds have images tho, we need a more widely announced irc meet in 1-2 weeks Jul 26 19:17:49 nice work Jul 26 19:17:57 the meeting tonight decided to delay Jul 26 19:17:57 "relaunch" until august 29th or thereabouts. We'd like to have the site up & about foir a couple of weeks b eforehand, though Jul 26 19:18:09 ok Jul 26 19:18:12 need to write sum features Jul 26 19:18:32 --- claremarie is now known as claremarie-afk Jul 26 19:18:39 you could just promote some articles Jul 26 19:19:14 pabs: what are the issues with features? Jul 26 19:19:19 theres enuff happening to write about..nuke dump, bali stuff, refugees, goldmining at kupa piti etc Jul 26 19:19:24 sorry .... images i mean Jul 26 19:19:44 basically none of the feeds have doll-yoko: ok cool Jul 26 19:19:51 :-) Jul 26 19:20:11 note that RSS feeds do *not* include images (except for channel image) normally; need to add content:encoded with images Jul 26 19:20:53 ah i see, all the tags are stripped Jul 26 19:21:50 night Jul 26 19:21:50 21:16 the ed work is another story tho Jul 26 19:21:50 21:16 awesome, they are hosted on the pod tho aren't they? Jul 26 19:21:59 quoll: some do - this for instance: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/rss/richb Jul 26 19:22:14 you leaving gdm ? Jul 26 19:22:18 basically, i removed all font tags and excess style/class properties, just keeping src and alt tags for images and anchors Jul 26 19:23:27 how do we want the long page linked from the front page? Jul 26 19:23:40 have a "summaries" link? Jul 26 19:24:16 pabs: nope, just fucking up Jul 26 19:24:18 (the home page for nz.indymedia.org is still not right for me - wants me to open it with a text editor in linux and doze) Jul 26 19:24:45 hmm. mime errors Jul 26 19:24:52 zl2tod: yep - freebsd+php brokeness Jul 26 19:25:07 last I saw ski thought he had fixed it Jul 26 19:25:28 it was broken again this afternoon Jul 26 19:25:33 everything else seems to work, just not the home page Jul 26 19:25:40 oh hmm Jul 26 19:26:19 pabs: that blog RSS basically used content:encoded in an rss 2 feed; most indymedia produces a simpler rss 1 summary feed rather than full content, hence no images Jul 26 19:26:53 ok Jul 26 19:27:27 http://indymedia.org.nz/index.php works, so it don't know how to serve the default page .. Jul 26 19:28:09 i thought the long page was gonna be the new front page..mebbe it wd make sense to have it as the first page sumone gets to, with the old front page with skimpier links lionked to it (jus an idea) Jul 26 19:28:44 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 19:29:07 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 19:29:14 lessons in proprietary software no. 1 Jul 26 19:29:32 Hey Pabs: Can we put Brisbane indy onto the oceangirl system to make this bris-moderation process a little easier Jul 26 19:29:49 (Ie, do you have access to brissy so we can throw in a hook in there? Jul 26 19:30:02 i agree with doll-yoko Jul 26 19:30:06 about long v. short Jul 26 19:30:35 i think that is actuallly lesson 2 for quoll, finn.... Jul 26 19:30:49 haha: http://fuc.kthe.us/ Jul 26 19:30:49 heh ok Jul 26 19:30:51 that way the reader immediately gets a taste of the substance of whats being written about in oceania worlds Jul 26 19:31:07 21:00 -!- quoll has quit [Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.] Jul 26 19:31:10 21:00 eek Jul 26 19:31:12 and a "more headlines link" ? Jul 26 19:31:13 21:00 hah Jul 26 19:31:15 21:00 -!- quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 19:31:18 21:00 repeat after me: "i must always use free software" Jul 26 19:31:22 -pabs yep Jul 26 19:31:33 just a "headlines only" link Jul 26 19:32:23 how about just "headlines" and put it in the top row of links? Jul 26 19:33:16 yes Jul 26 19:33:52 wass happening in the RH column? Jul 26 19:34:18 http://oceania.indymedia.org/index.php Jul 26 19:34:48 ah, we wre gonna do video feeds in the rh, yeah? Jul 26 19:35:13 kewl! Jul 26 19:35:44 link to the oceania wiki sumwhere? Jul 26 19:35:53 ah, hmm Jul 26 19:36:24 mebbe where the conference link is now? Jul 26 19:36:40 yeah, good idea :-) Jul 26 19:37:58 like that? Jul 26 19:38:24 yay! Jul 26 19:38:29 * shayne mumbles chaos at cats link Jul 26 19:39:26 shayne: yeah - attech link is up and down like yo-yo. up now, prbly averaging 1/2 hr up , 1/2 down :( Jul 26 19:40:23 exetel link seems fine (i'm on warehouse LAN which is using that link) - when 203.57.122.x routing is sorted (via extel.com.au not tpg.com.au) conway et al migrating to that. Jul 26 19:40:28 up atm Jul 26 19:41:08 can the topic have "http://" in their links - then in my irc client they are hyperlinked to mozilla and i dont have to cut-'n'paste :) Jul 26 19:41:17 peeps: check wiki page: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 Jul 26 19:41:21 if i'm missing anything Jul 26 19:41:36 andycat: http:// removed cos didn't all fit Jul 26 19:41:48 or any more to say? Jul 26 19:42:32 --- andycat has changed the topic to: tech-meet: | bris: lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/imc-brisbane-admin Jul 26 19:42:35 oops Jul 26 19:42:45 --- andycat has changed the topic to: tech-meet: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 | bris: lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/imc-brisban Jul 26 19:42:52 --- andycat has changed the topic to: tech-meet: docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 | bris: lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/imc-brisban Jul 26 19:43:51 --- andycat has changed the topic to: tech-meet: docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 | bris: lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/imc-brisbane-admin Jul 26 19:44:16 clearly i dont know what i am doing sorry :) Jul 26 19:44:24 lol Jul 26 19:44:30 an admission?! Jul 26 19:44:59 anyone got any more to say?? Jul 26 19:45:44 * zl2tod doesn't know what he's doing either Jul 26 19:46:14 * shayne just went thru the brissy admin stuff. nothing needin hiding in last day or 2 by the looks of it. Jul 26 19:46:19 yeah: i didn't record any of the stuff about nz messing up!! Jul 26 19:46:20 notes r comprehensive Jul 26 19:46:33 all c+p Jul 26 19:46:35 ..and diplomatic Jul 26 19:47:00 i actually just added names at the beginning as to who was present Jul 26 19:47:38 did kimci turn up? Jul 26 19:47:47 not yet Jul 26 19:47:58 he's on imc-process list, tho ;-) Jul 26 19:48:09 oh gawd. Jul 26 19:49:01 well the mods seemed to have hardened up a lot during the belgium shitfight Jul 26 19:49:15 damn right Jul 26 19:49:17 ok, i am turning on the cron script to generate the front page Jul 26 19:49:22 of oceania Jul 26 19:49:23 all posts are moderated at present Jul 26 19:49:24 cool Jul 26 19:49:31 cool :0 Jul 26 19:49:57 done Jul 26 19:50:40 I think its worth noting to imc-process that the brisbane admin thing is not a proposal to process, but simply for noting. Jul 26 19:50:43 single quotes are escaped Jul 26 19:51:19 brain_fear: i don't understand Jul 26 19:51:29 Actually regardless, kimci cant block since it cant be substantiated that hes a recallable delegate with consensus powers. Jul 26 19:51:31 what's that in relation to? Jul 26 19:51:46 Live Report: The People\'s State of the Nation Jul 26 19:51:48 i don't think anyone will really wanna get involved tho Jul 26 19:51:57 oh Jul 26 19:52:14 doesnt need to go in the minutes, then ;-) Jul 26 19:52:43 yeah, I was just stating it Jul 26 19:54:13 did the url http://oceania.indymedia.org/oceania.1-0.rss change during the "long" rss proces?? Jul 26 19:54:40 Somebody wouldnt break backwards compat. like that would they ? :) Jul 26 19:54:42 shouldn't have - long features are oceania-long.1-0.rss Jul 26 19:54:48 andycat: its the same Jul 26 19:55:15 --> and_ has joined #oceania Jul 26 19:55:34 evening and_ Jul 26 19:55:39 wow, there's a lot of yuz in here tonight Jul 26 19:55:45 tech meetin! Jul 26 19:55:47 some cities have changes - their have longer descriptions than before Jul 26 19:55:59 <andycat> some cities have changed - their <title> have longer descriptions than before Jul 26 19:56:01 <and_> er cool, i'm going to the pub i think Jul 26 19:56:06 <pabs> :) Jul 26 19:56:10 <and_> some one send the logs to the list? Jul 26 19:56:23 <pabs> yar Jul 26 19:56:54 <brain_fear> will do Jul 26 19:57:29 <gdm> can you stick it on the wiki page, too? Jul 26 19:57:38 <brain_fear> yep Jul 26 19:58:08 <pabs> andycat: which ones? Jul 26 19:58:22 <andycat> It seems to be aotearoa's RSS - has it changed recently does anybody know? Jul 26 19:58:48 <finn> features.1-0.drf? Jul 26 19:58:54 <zl2tod> might be related to the php4 chaos Jul 26 19:58:57 <brain_fear> http://oceania.indymedia.org/oceania.1-0.rss Jul 26 19:59:16 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 19:59:31 <pabs> andycat: nz uses the same rss for both long and short Jul 26 19:59:45 <brain_fear> must be Jul 26 19:59:49 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 19:59:55 <pabs> must be that hack i added Jul 26 20:00:11 <finn> eeek Jul 26 20:00:30 <brain_fear> luckily nz has a description tag Jul 26 20:01:01 <andycat> pabs: oh nothing changed expect that hack you added :))) Jul 26 20:01:37 <pabs> basically all the hack does is swap the description and title for nz's feed: Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> if($feed_url eq "http://indymedia.org.nz/"){ Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> my $tmp = $item->{'description'}; Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> $item->{'description'} = $item->{'title'}; Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> $item->{'title'} = $tmp; Jul 26 20:01:45 <pabs> } Jul 26 20:02:21 --- and_ is now known as wowi Jul 26 20:02:37 <wowi> hey crew! Jul 26 20:02:52 <wowi> so maaany virtual faces.. :) Jul 26 20:03:05 --- wowi is now known as and_ Jul 26 20:03:08 <pabs> hia wowi ! Jul 26 20:04:10 <brain_fear> hopefully darwin is added to the cities.inc file soon Jul 26 20:04:28 <pabs> hmm Jul 26 20:04:40 --- and_ is now known as wowi Jul 26 20:04:43 <andycat> pabs: why did you do that? Jul 26 20:05:04 * andycat waves at wowi Jul 26 20:05:14 <finn> hi wowi Jul 26 20:05:17 <pabs> because all the other feeds put the story title in description and the category in title for the short feeds Jul 26 20:06:33 <andycat> pabs: hmm, where did u put this code? is this on nz site, or in the perl aggregator stuff? Jul 26 20:06:49 * wowi waves Jul 26 20:06:50 <pabs> in aggregate_imc_rss.pl Jul 26 20:06:59 <wowi> ..and grins stupidly Jul 26 20:07:00 <andycat> i have to fix the xslt doing the right hand side column syndication on sydney imc Jul 26 20:07:31 <pabs> this must be a new record in this channel Jul 26 20:07:56 <pabs> ok, enuf of this boring long rss stuff, what next? Jul 26 20:08:56 <pabs> active.org.au, axxs/daves server, video stuff, moving away from active & activismo software that is maintained ?? Jul 26 20:09:10 <pabs> to something that is ... rather Jul 26 20:09:18 --- claremarie-afk is now known as claremarie Jul 26 20:10:12 <andycat> well rss was the first item on the ImcOceaniaConfTech wiki page, 2. is regional imc tech list - which is done Jul 26 20:10:12 <pabs> brb, pizza Jul 26 20:10:41 <shayne> hey wowi Jul 26 20:10:43 <andycat> 3. online meetings - like this one ... we didnt email out about it tho' . lists.cat.org.au was done for a while (still intermittent) sorry Jul 26 20:11:21 <andycat> so I guess we could set another time for the next (advertised) oceania indy IRC meeting... Jul 26 20:11:46 <gdm> yup Jul 26 20:11:52 <gdm> go fer it andy! Jul 26 20:11:56 <gdm> say, 2 weeks today? Jul 26 20:13:01 <finn> yep ok Jul 26 20:13:18 <finn> what was the active.org.au discussion? Jul 26 20:13:20 <wowi> hey shayne Jul 26 20:13:27 <finn> just the domain, or the software? Jul 26 20:13:32 <wowi> finn: i got anares bks :P Jul 26 20:13:38 <finn> cool Jul 26 20:13:43 <pabs> finn: some kind of direction Jul 26 20:13:49 <finn> ok Jul 26 20:14:06 <finn> i'm coding a replacement for our old active calendar Jul 26 20:14:16 <finn> using drupal as a base Jul 26 20:14:27 <finn> most of the work is done [by drupal] Jul 26 20:15:00 <finn> it's stuck on my laptop for now Jul 26 20:15:31 <finn> it'll have good rss + category support Jul 26 20:15:46 <zl2tod> tha calendar module in drupal was very painless Jul 26 20:15:58 <finn> so hopefully other nz websites will be able to import rss + html snippets that interest them Jul 26 20:16:05 <andycat> finn: maybe 7. from http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaConfTech -- ie focusing on moving existing sites away to a good, new replacement software Jul 26 20:16:54 * shayne sticks oceangirl - brisbane on the agenda Jul 26 20:16:58 <andycat> there is active.org.au cities (different focus to indymedia sites) - sydney.indymedia would be up for new software, as would global.indymedia.org .. brisbane too :) Jul 26 20:17:01 <shayne> (please) Jul 26 20:17:10 <gdm> edit the wiki pages!! Jul 26 20:17:13 <pabs> and perth please Jul 26 20:17:14 <gdm> i'm not doing it at present Jul 26 20:17:18 <gdm> pabs! Jul 26 20:17:22 <gdm> shayne! Jul 26 20:17:24 <gdm> ;-) Jul 26 20:18:58 <shayne> done Jul 26 20:19:13 <shayne> er... where are we. Jul 26 20:21:10 --- wowi is now known as wowi-pub Jul 26 20:21:21 <gdm> #oceania Jul 26 20:21:26 <wowi-pub> later.. Jul 26 20:21:31 <shayne> ok Jul 26 20:21:33 <pabs> cya Jul 26 20:21:36 * andycat wants to be at the pub too Jul 26 20:22:08 <shayne> Does anyone object to brisbane being put on the oceangirl system, and an oceangirlbot being left in #oceania-news? Jul 26 20:22:19 <wowi-pub> andy: GO GO GO!! Jul 26 20:22:30 <shayne> oceangirl btw is a bot created by perth that just tells us everytime a story is posted Jul 26 20:22:37 <shayne> makes it much more efficient to moderate Jul 26 20:22:38 <pabs> shayne: is it ready for multiple cities yet? Jul 26 20:22:44 <shayne> she always has been Jul 26 20:22:54 <pabs> oh? Jul 26 20:22:54 <shayne> one of the xml-rpc fields is city Jul 26 20:22:58 <pabs> ah, k Jul 26 20:23:25 * shayne turns up black flag Jul 26 20:23:25 <-- finn has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Jul 26 20:23:31 <andycat> what is the API for putting messages into an IRC channel.. ie what language, how much code, which libraries.. :) Jul 26 20:23:33 <shayne> rise above we gonna rise above Jul 26 20:23:37 <shayne> yeah yeah. Jul 26 20:24:32 <pabs> python, a tiny amount, python-irc & python xmlrpc Jul 26 20:24:42 <axxs> :) Jul 26 20:24:49 <pabs> actually, just a little bit of php Jul 26 20:24:51 <axxs> someone say python? Jul 26 20:24:58 <pabs> pythi\on on the server side Jul 26 20:25:05 <axxs> hehe Jul 26 20:25:09 <claremarie> oceangirl might be a good idea. will i be inundated with mail though? Jul 26 20:25:19 <pabs> you can have email off Jul 26 20:25:32 <andycat> pabs: so only php code on the active-server side? Jul 26 20:25:36 <pabs> yep Jul 26 20:25:45 <andycat> how much php do you need to add to make new_data-process.php3 add the msgs to an irc channel? Jul 26 20:26:05 <pabs> a few lines, plus the php-xmplrpc libs Jul 26 20:26:07 <andycat> new libraries needed? Jul 26 20:26:09 <andycat> :) Jul 26 20:26:22 <andycat> kewl Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> <?php Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> include("xmllib/xmlrpc.inc"); Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> function reportbot($message) Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> { Jul 26 20:26:27 <shayne> $client=new xmlrpc_client("talker", "guild.murdoch.edu.au", 4321); Jul 26 20:26:29 <shayne> $msg=new xmlrpcmsg("talk",array(new xmlrpcval($message,"string"))); Jul 26 20:26:32 <shayne> $response=$client->send($msg); Jul 26 20:26:34 <shayne> } Jul 26 20:26:55 <shayne> That baby can be called anyware on the net and will cause oceangirlbot to send the message to the channel Jul 26 20:27:24 --> finn has joined #oceania Jul 26 20:27:52 <andycat> shanye: so your server is a "centralised" backend that then forwards the message to another irc server?, or would that code example need to be changed to say che.indymedia.org (the irc server here) Jul 26 20:28:01 <pabs> shayne: are u sure about that city field? i don't see any in the code - maybe you mean my rewrite? Jul 26 20:28:13 <shayne> Thats the generic message code. Jul 26 20:28:32 <shayne> theres another xml-rpc function that generates proper reports Jul 26 20:28:34 <pabs> andycat: publishserver -> xmplrpc server -> ircserver Jul 26 20:28:48 <pabs> andycat: conway -> perthimc -> che Jul 26 20:28:48 <andycat> ok Jul 26 20:28:51 <shayne> andy: I just tell oceangirl to sit in a channel and she does it Jul 26 20:28:59 <shayne> hold up Jul 26 20:29:55 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 20:30:12 <andycat> so your xmlrpc server is going to be always up & multiplexing .. so then .. i assume the xmlrpc api lets you specific the irc server and channel etc? Jul 26 20:30:15 <pabs> andycat: oceangirl lives in #oceania-news atm & reports perth's newswire Jul 26 20:30:41 <shayne> er.. I can set up new bots and all from the script Jul 26 20:30:46 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 20:31:02 <andycat> oceangirl specifically being a pyhton server which contains an irc bot ... ? Jul 26 20:31:21 <pabs> yep Jul 26 20:31:22 <andycat> the xmlrpc server is a gateway from somewhere to the oceangirl python server ... ? Jul 26 20:31:28 <axxs> pybot? Jul 26 20:31:44 <pabs> andycat: yep Jul 26 20:31:51 <pabs> pybot? Jul 26 20:32:11 <axxs> a python irc bot .. real easy to script Jul 26 20:32:29 <pabs> og uses this: http://python-irclib.sourceforge.net/ Jul 26 20:32:35 <axxs> was just asking :) Jul 26 20:32:52 <axxs> ahh yea .. Jul 26 20:33:14 <axxs> thought you had a bot in the channel my mistake Jul 26 20:33:41 <pabs> it lives in #oceania-news Jul 26 20:34:15 <zl2tod> anyone know who chillinchillin is ? Jul 26 20:34:48 <pabs> nasty filesharing robot is my guess Jul 26 20:35:53 <pabs> anyway, where were we? Jul 26 20:37:29 <shayne> hey pabs: where is og stashed on the guild server again? Jul 26 20:37:43 <pabs> /home/shayne/og iirc Jul 26 20:37:50 <shayne> ok Jul 26 20:38:20 <shayne> Do we have consensus that I add in an og hook into brissy code? Jul 26 20:38:28 <shayne> actually scrap that. Jul 26 20:38:43 <shayne> Pabs: mind if I use your account so I can have a nosy at the new-data-process code? Jul 26 20:39:34 <pabs> ah, just grab the code - active.org.au/source Jul 26 20:44:58 <pabs> andycat / shayne / all: do we agree that codebases that are not actively maintained need to be migrated away from? Jul 26 20:45:13 <pabs> ie no more active or activismo (even v2) Jul 26 20:47:07 <pabs> because there is not enough ppl to maintain them Jul 26 20:47:24 <shayne> activismo is still being maintaine dude Jul 26 20:47:53 * gdm agrees w/ pabs Jul 26 20:48:00 <pabs> well, imo its a sorry mess & I'd rather not bother any more - that leaves u shayne Jul 26 20:48:47 <pabs> codebases need to be collectively maintained, or else they die Jul 26 20:49:01 <pabs> one person is not enuf Jul 26 20:49:50 * gdm agrees again w/ pabs Jul 26 20:49:51 <shayne> hrmp Jul 26 20:49:55 <pabs> i know its yr baby, but it really needs an overhall Jul 26 20:49:56 <gdm> is anyone else working on it? Jul 26 20:50:15 <gdm> yeah.... we finally got that message thru to andycat (dig!) Jul 26 20:50:18 <pabs> a2 is good, but unfinished, and only u know the code Jul 26 20:50:41 <brain_fear> has anyone seen any docs relating to disk space and static files from codebases? Jul 26 20:50:59 <claremarie> see yas Jul 26 20:51:03 <pabs> cya claremarie Jul 26 20:51:05 <-- claremarie has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Jul 26 20:51:09 <axxs> on a tangent ... I'm working on a open-workflow (ope publishing) system for the Plone codebase .... a way away yet from a release tho .. another few weeks till it will usable as a base Jul 26 20:51:25 * pabs eeks at plone Jul 26 20:51:29 <brain_fear> axxs: is this pigs arse? Jul 26 20:51:43 <axxs> yea it's not up there yet tho ... Jul 26 20:52:55 <axxs> not far from release .. and the benefit is an active community around the 'extras' ... because most of the work is contained in custom workflows ... Jul 26 20:53:35 <axxs> the main codebase can be made anonymous .. its the logging etc thats the effort. ... and placement of posts Jul 26 20:54:08 <axxs> anyways don't want to jump the gun ;) will announce when its able to be tested Jul 26 20:55:09 <axxs> I'll import to cvs soon Jul 26 20:56:00 <gdm> btw, here's another 'quit' message: [Quit: how can u trust somebody called 'gates' who produces 'windows'?] Jul 26 20:56:13 <andycat> gdm: i knew that all along - i've never been resisting moving away from active - i've not had time to do it! its DIY around here remember Jul 26 20:56:44 <gdm> lol - was only winding you up!! Jul 26 20:56:59 <axxs> andycat, the best tool for the person doing the job before them Jul 26 20:57:18 <andycat> axxs: huh? Jul 26 20:57:55 <axxs> well the best code/os whatever that someone finds they are most productive on .. Jul 26 20:58:55 <halo> ooh full house tonight :) Jul 26 21:00:10 * shayne grabs a gun. Jul 26 21:00:18 <shayne> keep that plona away from mah server Jul 26 21:00:48 <shayne> also: I've done plenty fiddlin with drupal. Jul 26 21:01:08 --> takver has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:01:09 <zl2tod> heh - ok ... who HASN'T been playing with drupal ? Jul 26 21:01:10 <shayne> I can see it may indeed be possible to use it for an indy site, tho its a bit of a headfuck to configure Jul 26 21:02:48 <-- quoll has quit (Quit: Snak 4.11 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.) Jul 26 21:03:04 <pabs> as far as choosing which server, i think it should be up to users of the site - a poll and a buncha test sites imo Jul 26 21:03:11 <pabs> which codebase i mena Jul 26 21:03:14 <pabs> mean Jul 26 21:03:43 <shayne> yeah but what if the plebs chose active? Jul 26 21:03:56 <shayne> wed then have to close up, light the server on fire and run Jul 26 21:04:05 <pabs> that wouldn't be one of the options, now would it Jul 26 21:04:05 <shayne> :) Jul 26 21:04:05 <gdm> agrees w/ shaynes first comment about headfuck Jul 26 21:04:46 <shayne> basically drupals reaaaly reaaaly reaaaly idiosyncratic Jul 26 21:05:52 <pabs> An unusual individual reaction to food or a drug? Jul 26 21:06:01 * gdm thinks conway's down again Jul 26 21:06:43 <andycat> well just went up again actually :) Jul 26 21:07:14 <andycat> I just updated http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/OceaniaTechMeet1 slightly Jul 26 21:07:24 <andycat> see : PROPOSAL : Oceania IMC IRC meeting - 9th August - same times. same channel. same caves. Jul 26 21:08:00 <andycat> basically I changed the section Jul 26 21:08:02 <andycat> review the conf minutes (tech notes, et al) Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> * from ImcOceaniaConfTech: Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> o long syndication is sorted Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> o oceania-tech list is sorted Jul 26 21:08:03 <andycat> o we need a more widely announced irc meet in 1-2 weeks Jul 26 21:08:05 <andycat> o PROPOSAL : Oceania IMC IRC meeting - 9th August - same times. same channel. same caves. Jul 26 21:08:08 <andycat> o indymedia.org.au email mailboxes : nothing done yet. Jul 26 21:08:10 <andycat> o internalisation on oceania indymedia : nothing done yet. Jul 26 21:08:11 <andycat> o global imc-tech and oceania tech collaboration. : no discussion Jul 26 21:08:18 <andycat> o upgrades to new codebases : need to move away from unmaintained codebases (eg active !) Jul 26 21:08:22 <gdm> kool thanks andycat Jul 26 21:08:55 <pabs> re email boxes: how easy is it to turn those off? Jul 26 21:11:37 <andycat> pabs: well - we can reject them by simply not having that domain in "locals" (/var/qmail/control ?) in the qmail system on conway Jul 26 21:11:59 <andycat> but there is a proposal to have regional aliases - eg brisbane@indymedia.org.au --> imc-brisbane-admin@lists.cat.org.au for exmaple Jul 26 21:12:09 <andycat> or sydney@indymedia.org.au to go to imc-sydney@lists.cat.org.au ... Jul 26 21:12:29 <pabs> it aint in /etc/qmail/locals Jul 26 21:12:48 <gdm> yeah, i think that's a great idea Jul 26 21:12:53 <andycat> locate locals :) Jul 26 21:12:53 <gdm> much easier to comprehend Jul 26 21:13:12 <andycat> gdm: which idea does thoust refer to ? Jul 26 21:13:23 <pabs> andycat: /etc/qmail/ rcpthosts & virtualdomains Jul 26 21:13:57 <andycat> gdm: r u going to link OceaniaTechMeet1 to somewhere? Jul 26 21:14:02 <gdm> yes Jul 26 21:14:12 <andycat> from somwhere i should say ? .. oh , where? Jul 26 21:14:15 <brain_fear> does anyone want to take over logging, i'm off to bed Jul 26 21:14:26 <gdm> idea = aliases sydney@indymedia.org.au ==> imc-sydney@lists... Jul 26 21:14:29 <pabs> i have been all along brain_fear, i can continue Jul 26 21:14:36 <gdm> i'm logging but also to bed soon Jul 26 21:14:42 <gdm> pabs may be better Jul 26 21:14:55 <brain_fear> pabs: are you going to post them on the wiki then? Jul 26 21:15:07 <pabs> yar Jul 26 21:15:15 <brain_fear> pabs: sounds good Jul 26 21:15:16 <brain_fear> nite all Jul 26 21:15:20 <-- brain_fear has quit () Jul 26 21:17:16 <andycat> pabs: yes for it to be done properly as virtual domain (in emailspace) thats where you'd start - then vadddomain etc (this stuff might be in the catfaq) Jul 26 21:17:34 <pabs> might also be in the riseup docs Jul 26 21:17:56 <gdm> does riseup have docs about stuff? Jul 26 21:18:46 <pabs> yep Jul 26 21:22:47 <andycat> I updated http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaConfTech with my new knowledge of wiki syntax Jul 26 21:23:12 <-- finn has quit (Quit: zzz) Jul 26 21:23:37 <-- axxs has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Jul 26 21:24:28 <gdm> hello Jul 26 21:24:30 <gdm> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaTech Jul 26 21:25:57 <gdm> pabs: they don't have manual pages type info, tho, do they? Jul 26 21:26:30 <pabs> riseup? i don't think so, more server admin type stuff i think Jul 26 21:26:47 <-- wowi-pub has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 26 21:27:38 <pabs> brb, refershmentest Jul 26 21:29:13 <gdm> hey peeps: comment by shaun at http://brisbane.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=12008&group=webcast Jul 26 21:34:05 --> quoll has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:34:24 --> wowi-pub has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:34:54 <doll-yoko> -quoll gd comment on briz to shaun's concerns Jul 26 21:35:08 <andycat> so how to do you link something in wiki from , eg Main, to Local .. eg i'm updating my Main/AndyCat page on wiki and want to link to IMcOceania page in Local Jul 26 21:35:24 <pabs> andycat: Main.AndyCat Jul 26 21:35:48 <pabs> or Local.ImcOceania Jul 26 21:41:21 <-- wowi-pub has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 26 21:48:46 --> wowi-pub has joined #oceania Jul 26 21:56:47 <gdm> and from here, i'm leaving Jul 26 21:57:07 <-- gdm has left #oceania Jul 26 21:59:15 <-- quoll has left #oceania Jul 26 22:02:33 <pabs> and to conclude the meeting, please read the following http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/26/music_poll_letters/ Jul 26 22:06:01 --- doll-yoko is now known as rumanian Jul 26 22:06:14 --- rumanian is now known as tiny Jul 26 22:06:21 --- tiny is now known as goth Jul 26 22:06:33 * goth vanishes into the music poll Jul 26 22:06:48 <-- goth has left #oceania (haunted) Jul 26 22:08:37 <andycat> checkyas Jul 26 22:08:40 <-- andycat has quit (Quit: Leaving) Jul 26 22:09:54 --- wowi-pub is now known as and_