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[Imc-jakarta] Re: [New-imc] JAKARTA (decision deadline, May 27, 22:00 GMT)
boud new-imc at indymedia.org
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:06:32 +0200 (CEST)
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Jay,
[en]
i think the 27 May new-imc deadline has long passed :) i think
IMC Jakarta should be passed on to imc-process with the standard
7 day deadline?
(imc-australasia people: this means that unless someone objects at
imc-process, IMC Jakarta will be official 7 days from when
the proposal is posted to imc-process)
[id]
Aku pikir bahwa sekarang akan hanya seminggu sebelum IMC Jakarta
menjadi "resmi" - akan ada pengusulan di daftar imc-process
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2002-June/
[en]
Here is the proposal with the 27 May deadline:
[id]
Di sini pengusulan di new-imc dengan pembatasan waktu 27 maj:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003565.html
[en]
Further developments since:
(1) The imc-jakarta list is now public :) i think this is good for
everyone:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-jakarta
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-jakarta/
(2) If i understood correctly, on 24 May Andy proposed (implicitly)
that IMC Jakarta be regionally approved by the regional (implicit)
new-imc process:
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-australasia/2002-May/000064.html
but of the regional sites, only Adelaide seems to have added in Jakarta
to the left column.
(3) i don't know whether spammers are IMC Adelaide fans are not, but
there's now a very high spam-to-signal ratio on the newswire on the site,
:( and this is even before global left-column listing. From 29 May to
3 Jun, among articles + comments 123 to 143, i only see one which is
Indonesia related news (134). This is a spam:signal ratio of about
20:1 . :(
Could someone from the regional support group help the Jakartans to
develop an editorial policy (and practice) of hiding spam? Given that
the imc-jakarta list is now functioning and public, it might be a good
idea to post messages to it about hidden articles. In any case, people
who claim that genuine "news" articles have been hidden *do* have this
list available for protesting about censorhip if need be. So i certainly
don't see spam as a reason for delaying approval. Several groups get
approved long before they can get together technically.
Bhinneka tunggal ika
boud
PS: i'm quoting
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003565.html
here just so that it appears on the imc-jakarta archive and on the
regional archive imc-australasia (where a regional new-imc process
sort of seems to be developing?).
> Membership Criteria:
> A. PRINCIPLES OF UNITY
> We all agree with membership criteria and the declarations.
>
> B. COMMITTED MEMBERSHIP
> IMC-Jakarta now have some pople who involve in, they are: Margiyono
> (jakarta_raya at hotmail.com), is a freelance
> journalist write for Pantau (monthly media and journalism study), Latitudes,
> etc. and also works as graphic designer, J.P Indra
> (redslabel at hotmail.com works as scriptwriters for
> SC TV), Muchlish (brigademerah at hotmail.com,
> freelancer for Tempo magazine data and analysis Center), Coen Husein Pontoh
> (coen_h_pontoh at hotmail.com works for Pantau,
> media and journalism study), Mugiyanto
> (mugiyanto at eudoramail.com formerly worked as
> assistant corespondent for Ducht NOS TV. Many people form Walhi, Sawith Watch
> and other also make contribution for Jakarta Indymedia.
>
> C. OPEN MEETINGS
> Jakarta IMC organizes regular meeting every Monday afternoon. We used
> Margiyono's place as temporary "center' at Jl. H. Saibun No.54 Jatipadang Pasar
> Minggu Jakarta, phone (6221) 788 35 635
>
> D. MISSION STATEMENT
> The Jakarta IMC is using the network's mission statement.
>
> E. EDITORIAL POLICY
> Editorial policy is under development. (perhaps we can get some final clarity
> on this from Meggy, Praccus or Sam before we send this information to
> imc-process)
>
> F OPEN PUBLISHING
> Jakarta IMC uses Open Publishing on its web site,
> "http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au" (soon to be "http://jakarta.indymedia.org")
>
> G. DECISIONMAKING POLICY
> Jakarta IMC uses consensus-based decision-making processes. (perhaps we can
> get some final clarity on this from Meggy, Praccus or Sam before we send this
> information to imc-process)
>
> H. GLOBAL REPRESENTATIVE
> The current representative of the Jakarta IMC is "Margiyono"
>
>
> I. . NETWORK COMMUNICATIONS
> IMC Jakarta will contribute as possible to network-wide communication,
> the subscriber-readable-archives "private" list imc-jakarta is here for
> anyone to subscribe to -
> general info:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-jakarta
> archive:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/private/imc-jakarta
> and in case a backup is needed, the regional mailing list may be
> used:
> http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imc-australasia
>
> J. AFFILIATIONS
> About supporting organization, none of them are polical party, SMS, PDS and
> other are student and comunity organizations.
>
> K. COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE
> The Jakarta IMC will not engage in commercial enterprises that inure to the
> benefit of any of its members.
>
> L. IMC LOGO
> IMC logo is on main page: http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au (soon to be
> jakarta.indymedia.org)
>
> M. LOCAL CITIES LIST
> Cities list is on main page: http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au (soon to be
> jakarta.indymedia.org)
>
> Introduction:
> Jakarta Indymedia started at October 2001. We publish Indonesian story and
> tranlsate stories from other local IMC. Our site is
> www.jakarta.indymedia.org.au. (soon to be jakarta.indymedia.org). Why we want
> to be an IMC: We want support people to organize protest against militer
> oppression and neoliberal globalization with media which is independt from
> state control and capital domination. We have organize people in Jakarta to
> support Jakarta Indymedia.
>
> There has been much discussion about the Jakarta IMC lately on the new-imc
> mailing list, with visitors from Australian IMCs, especially Sam from
> Melbourne, urging acceptance of the Jakarta IMC into the network. They have
> already been welcomed by the Australasian Region, and have been operating at
> their current address, http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au since October.
> Visit the new-imc archives:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/subject.html#start
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[Imc-jakarta] Re: [New-imc] JAKARTA (decision deadline, May 27, 22:00 GMT)
boud new-imc at indymedia.org
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:06:32 +0200 (CEST)
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Jay,
[en]
i think the 27 May new-imc deadline has long passed :) i think
IMC Jakarta should be passed on to imc-process with the standard
7 day deadline?
(imc-australasia people: this means that unless someone objects at
imc-process, IMC Jakarta will be official 7 days from when
the proposal is posted to imc-process)
[id]
Aku pikir bahwa sekarang akan hanya seminggu sebelum IMC Jakarta
menjadi "resmi" - akan ada pengusulan di daftar imc-process
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2002-June/
[en]
Here is the proposal with the 27 May deadline:
[id]
Di sini pengusulan di new-imc dengan pembatasan waktu 27 maj:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003565.html
[en]
Further developments since:
(1) The imc-jakarta list is now public :) i think this is good for
everyone:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-jakarta
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-jakarta/
(2) If i understood correctly, on 24 May Andy proposed (implicitly)
that IMC Jakarta be regionally approved by the regional (implicit)
new-imc process:
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-australasia/2002-May/000064.html
but of the regional sites, only Adelaide seems to have added in Jakarta
to the left column.
(3) i don't know whether spammers are IMC Adelaide fans are not, but
there's now a very high spam-to-signal ratio on the newswire on the site,
:( and this is even before global left-column listing. From 29 May to
3 Jun, among articles + comments 123 to 143, i only see one which is
Indonesia related news (134). This is a spam:signal ratio of about
20:1 . :(
Could someone from the regional support group help the Jakartans to
develop an editorial policy (and practice) of hiding spam? Given that
the imc-jakarta list is now functioning and public, it might be a good
idea to post messages to it about hidden articles. In any case, people
who claim that genuine "news" articles have been hidden *do* have this
list available for protesting about censorhip if need be. So i certainly
don't see spam as a reason for delaying approval. Several groups get
approved long before they can get together technically.
Bhinneka tunggal ika
boud
PS: i'm quoting
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/003565.html
here just so that it appears on the imc-jakarta archive and on the
regional archive imc-australasia (where a regional new-imc process
sort of seems to be developing?).
> Membership Criteria:
> A. PRINCIPLES OF UNITY
> We all agree with membership criteria and the declarations.
>
> B. COMMITTED MEMBERSHIP
> IMC-Jakarta now have some pople who involve in, they are: Margiyono
> (jakarta_raya at hotmail.com), is a freelance
> journalist write for Pantau (monthly media and journalism study), Latitudes,
> etc. and also works as graphic designer, J.P Indra
> (redslabel at hotmail.com works as scriptwriters for
> SC TV), Muchlish (brigademerah at hotmail.com,
> freelancer for Tempo magazine data and analysis Center), Coen Husein Pontoh
> (coen_h_pontoh at hotmail.com works for Pantau,
> media and journalism study), Mugiyanto
> (mugiyanto at eudoramail.com formerly worked as
> assistant corespondent for Ducht NOS TV. Many people form Walhi, Sawith Watch
> and other also make contribution for Jakarta Indymedia.
>
> C. OPEN MEETINGS
> Jakarta IMC organizes regular meeting every Monday afternoon. We used
> Margiyono's place as temporary "center' at Jl. H. Saibun No.54 Jatipadang Pasar
> Minggu Jakarta, phone (6221) 788 35 635
>
> D. MISSION STATEMENT
> The Jakarta IMC is using the network's mission statement.
>
> E. EDITORIAL POLICY
> Editorial policy is under development. (perhaps we can get some final clarity
> on this from Meggy, Praccus or Sam before we send this information to
> imc-process)
>
> F OPEN PUBLISHING
> Jakarta IMC uses Open Publishing on its web site,
> "http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au" (soon to be "http://jakarta.indymedia.org")
>
> G. DECISIONMAKING POLICY
> Jakarta IMC uses consensus-based decision-making processes. (perhaps we can
> get some final clarity on this from Meggy, Praccus or Sam before we send this
> information to imc-process)
>
> H. GLOBAL REPRESENTATIVE
> The current representative of the Jakarta IMC is "Margiyono"
>
>
> I. . NETWORK COMMUNICATIONS
> IMC Jakarta will contribute as possible to network-wide communication,
> the subscriber-readable-archives "private" list imc-jakarta is here for
> anyone to subscribe to -
> general info:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-jakarta
> archive:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/private/imc-jakarta
> and in case a backup is needed, the regional mailing list may be
> used:
> http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imc-australasia
>
> J. AFFILIATIONS
> About supporting organization, none of them are polical party, SMS, PDS and
> other are student and comunity organizations.
>
> K. COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE
> The Jakarta IMC will not engage in commercial enterprises that inure to the
> benefit of any of its members.
>
> L. IMC LOGO
> IMC logo is on main page: http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au (soon to be
> jakarta.indymedia.org)
>
> M. LOCAL CITIES LIST
> Cities list is on main page: http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au (soon to be
> jakarta.indymedia.org)
>
> Introduction:
> Jakarta Indymedia started at October 2001. We publish Indonesian story and
> tranlsate stories from other local IMC. Our site is
> www.jakarta.indymedia.org.au. (soon to be jakarta.indymedia.org). Why we want
> to be an IMC: We want support people to organize protest against militer
> oppression and neoliberal globalization with media which is independt from
> state control and capital domination. We have organize people in Jakarta to
> support Jakarta Indymedia.
>
> There has been much discussion about the Jakarta IMC lately on the new-imc
> mailing list, with visitors from Australian IMCs, especially Sam from
> Melbourne, urging acceptance of the Jakarta IMC into the network. They have
> already been welcomed by the Australasian Region, and have been operating at
> their current address, http://jakarta.indymedia.org.au since October.
> Visit the new-imc archives:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-May/subject.html#start
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