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ImcOaxacaIrcLogs
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00:02 < radioplanton> chido
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00:06 < ski> sad that it takes an american being killed for media
to notice oaxaca
00:06 <@Coyote^> i've been thinking the same thing ski
00:07 < ski> wow, bbc refers to him as "a US journalist"
00:07 <@Coyote^> like the selma march back in the day. nobody
paid much attention till a white preacher got killed
00:07 < ski> i mean no disrespect to this guy of course, it's
just one of those fucked up things about the world.
00:08 <@Coyote^> yup
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00:09 < ski> what pisses me off is that the media is talking
about fox's new "crackdown" without much reference to his earlier
pledges to crack down on things that have failed - chiapas, drug
trafficking, etc.
00:10 < ski> i mean, dare i say it, if Bush had such an issue
and pledged a crackdown, there would be some smattering of skepticism
in the newsrags
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00:12 <@Coyote^> future looks bright for calderon, he said very
ironically. poor bastard is inheriting a multi-state multi-sectoral
rebellion
00:12 <@os> it's front page news, Toronto Star, here..and with
a link to indymedia, no less.
00:12 <@Coyote^> hehehehehe
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00:13 <@Coyote^> hola yako
00:13 <@Coyote^> sorry, i had to gloat when the thought of the
mess he's got
00:13 < yako> brad dead?
00:13 <@Coyote^> yako, si
00:14 < yako> fuck
00:15 <@Coyote^> os, i've always had a good feeling about the
star. they interviewed durruti during the spanish revolution
00:16 < radioplanton> global action
00:16 < e> doubleplusfuck
00:18 < zapATIsta> no ski, his friends say the same thing about
being saddened it took him being "anglo" and dying for the international
media to show up.
00:19 < yako> chau, i piss offf-....need a beer
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00:21 < Cerezo> join/ #mexico 1
00:21 <@kwadronaut> Cerezo: /join #mexico
00:21 < Cerezo> grazie
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00:23 <@kwadronaut> http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20061028/CPACTUALITES/610281548/5024/CPDMINUTE
00:23 <@kwadronaut> getting some food doing more translations
later.
00:23 < sub> hellow
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00:24 < sw> hi
00:24 <@os> hello sub
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00:24 < leo> http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/77838.html
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00:26 <@occam> http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/bradleywill/archive.html
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00:34 <@sub> hello os
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00:35 <@sub> so i am reading it was another shit day in oaxaca
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00:35 <@sub> :(
00:35 <@os> it was. been a shit few days.
00:36 <@os> and i'm thinking the next couple of days are gonna
bring a lot more shit. :(((
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00:36 <@sub> fff
00:37 <@sub> well i can just give my solidarity for now
00:38 <@sub> andypie, considering the feeling of impotence i
perceive in me about the death of the american activist
00:38 <@sub> and*
00:38 <@sub> not andipie
00:38 <@sub> well
00:38 <@sub> we were discussing with blicero before what to do
00:39 <@sub> to give voice to these latest events here in europe
00:39 <@sub> boycott of mexican products? (too few)
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00:39 <@sub> here in oslo there is not even a mexican embassys
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00:40 <@os> you could email all the major news outlets and ask
them to update their original stories, now that the murderers
have been identified as police types and not 'fed up residents'
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00:40 <@sub> yeah we could do that
00:40 <@sub> but i am not sure the update would be considered
worth some space in the corporate media
00:41 <@sub> but is worth a try by the way
00:41 <@Reseda> this gives me a great idea
00:41 <@Anna> imc nyc is preparing a press release that will
need translating and sending
00:42 <@sub> what Reseda
00:42 <@sub> feed me creativity
00:43 * Reseda is now looking for mexican interests in the area
here
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00:44 <@Reseda> to bad the first hit on google for "mexican embasy"
in dutch on a .nl domain is indymedia.nl
00:45 <@sub> yeah appearantly there are not many mexican embassy
in europe in general
00:45 <@sub> for the entire scandi area is just in københavn
00:45 <@sub> or stockholm i do not remember
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00:47 <@sub> what about amnesty international, did it have any
interest or focus on the issue before?
00:47 <@sub> and if not , would be worth a try?
00:48 <@Reseda> embasy is in the hague
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00:49 <@sub> storm it with tomatoes
00:49 <@sub> red like blood
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00:50 <@Coyote^> sub, amnesty is allways worth a try.
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00:50 <@sub> yeah
00:51 <@sub> but did it have anything to do with the issue so
far?
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00:51 < e> hey anna, was brads name really wheyler? it's in
the reporters without borders statement i think
00:52 <@Anna> ?
00:52 < e> http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=19485
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00:53 <@Coyote^> that i don't know. they made statements, etc,
about atenco but i haven't seen anything from them about oaxaca
00:53 <@kwadronaut> well if you want, in the same street as the
mexican embassy there is also the turkmeni, uzbekistan, greek,
signapore... and a bunch of others
00:55 < halo> sub, you could pressure your govt to take action
00:56 <@Anna> e, sorry, no idea what his name was and why rsf
wrote that
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00:57 <@Coyote^> good report otherwise but i don't know where
they got that bit of info
00:57 <@kwadronaut> Coyote^: reporters tend to copy-paste
00:58 <@Reseda> Does Ruiz happen to have interests in transnational
corporations?
00:58 <@kwadronaut> the good one copy-paste-edit
00:58 < shan> Reseda: don't know. there's no transparancy law
here
00:59 < shan> no requirement to disclose financial interest
00:59 < Cerezo> The PFP is in the enter of Oaxaca at Pueblo Nuevo
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00:59 < leo> anyone know the email of radio APPO?
01:00 * Reseda is looking for physical locations in the netherlands
to target to hit the mexican government
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01:01 <@Reseda> the embasy is one, but i'm looking for more options
01:01 <@fierman> there should be better methods than just 'hit'
01:02 < barucha> I just translated a communique from the medios
libres(free, independent mexican media)concerning the whole situation
01:02 < barucha> is there a list I should send it to to be distributed
01:02 <@Anna> imc-communication
01:02 <@Anna> can you post it somewhere so we can link to it?
01:02 < barucha> it should go up on the imc sites asap
01:03 <@toya> barucha publish it
01:03 <@toya> somewhere
01:03 <@toya> and put the link here
01:03 <@toya> we can republish it from the link
01:03 < barucha> I believe its about to be posted at CML, Ill
post it on NYC right now
01:03 <@toya> and also translate to more languages
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01:03 < barucha> CML is www.veintos.info/cml btw, they are the
mexican indys
01:04 < barucha> and I believe radio zapote is translating current
reports from oaxaca in english and posting on their site
01:05 < barucha> which is http://zapote.radiolivre.org/
01:05 < barucha> seems they are translating into french in DF
right now too
01:05 <@toya> ok
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01:06 < barucha> But people should watch what goes up translated
on the two sites I put above
01:06 <@toya> let me figure out ssup with brasil site
01:06 <@toya> and i look for it an dto translate it
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01:06 < barucha> and post the translated stuff
01:06 < ski> http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1161814211186&call_pageid=970599119419
01:06 <@Anna> barucha, where on the radio zapote site is the
english part?
01:07 < barucha> I dont know
01:07 < barucha> I havent gotten on to their site but thats what
the mexico city people just told me
01:07 < barucha> the appo is having a press confrence now
01:07 < barucha> in the zocalo
01:08 < barucha> the hunger strikers in Mexico City from APPO
are calling for internationals
01:08 < barucha> and some arnt doing so well
01:08 < barucha> look-the people at CML in DF are urgin people
who might go down to get in contact with them
01:08 <@Anna> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/BradWillandothersDeadinOaxaca
if you can please add info here
01:09 < barucha> throught the www.viento.info site
01:09 < barucha> ok, Ill put up the communique I just translated
from them
01:09 <@Coyote^> they're at 13 days i think
01:10 < barucha> but yesterday they statred a dry strike-no water
or honey
01:10 < barucha> about five of them
01:11 <@Coyote^> ifj hasn't got the story yet. they were really
good after genoa
01:11 < yuri> damn. without water, that's so fucking hard.
01:12 <@Coyote^> no water? a few days at most.
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01:13 < gus> night
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01:15 <@Coyote^> hi gus
01:15 <@os> hey gus
01:15 < yuri> oi gus
01:16 <@Coyote^> back in a bit
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01:23 < sw> is http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/ somehow right-wing?
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01:25 -!- kwadronaut changed the topic of #indymedia to: ((i))
BREAKING NEWS OAXACA:: ALERT - FEDERAL POLICE begins assault in
Oaxaca! LISTEN RADIO APPO: http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3
| http://vientos.info/cml/
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01:28 < gus> nice music in the radio
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01:32 <@Coyote^> sw, i've always had that impression myself
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01:33 < barucha> the communique from the mexican
01:34 < barucha> medios libres, independent media, hasbeen sent
out and will be on NYC indymedia soon
01:34 < yuri> ok
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01:36 < radioplanton> barucha iam from mexico
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01:41 < barucha> que onda entonces
01:41 < barucha> radioplanton
01:41 < barucha> que paso?
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01:42 < Cerezo> radio planton en #mexico
01:42 <@Coyote^> my spanish is getting better. i understood a
whole sentence
01:42 < gus> hehe great Coyote^
01:43 <@Coyote^> federal police are at the state capitol if i
was right.
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01:44 < barucha> oye radio planton, que paso? Me estabas diciendo
alog.
01:44 < barucha> algo
01:44 < leo> Rechaza la APPO ultimátum del Gobierno federal
01:44 < leo> http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/384257.html
01:45 < Cerezo> barucha: radio planton esta en el canal de Mexico
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01:56 < nessuno> the aftermath of brads killing is up on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-25P0BKVI . it is extremely graphic
and disturbing
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02:05 < luna> 3500 police cops deployed around oaxaca
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02:07 <@Coyote^> pfp or state?
02:08 <@Coyote^> er
02:08 < leo> federal
02:09 <@Coyote^> whichever, thats a lot of cops
02:09 <@kwadronaut> unconfirmed, police charging universities
but i dont know where...
02:10 <@kwadronaut> oh thats about oaxaca
02:10 <@kwadronaut> ok
02:10 <@kwadronaut> already known sorry.
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02:10 <@Coyote^> the compas on the radio sound very calm
02:11 < luna> pfp and federal is the same
02:11 <@Coyote^> yeah
02:11 < luna> policia federal preventiva
02:11 <@Coyote^> preventing what i've wondered
02:11 < luna> shall i translate?
02:12 < luna> kev reportan en radio universidad que san bartolo
de coyotepec esta baja siendo atakado por grupos armados
02:12 <@Coyote^> the radio? por favor!
02:12 < leo> preventing the fall of the regime
02:12 < luna> kev reported this in mexico channel
02:12 <@kwadronaut> Coyote^: well the p revolucionara institutional...
found that a crazy name too
02:12 < luna> they are very responsible in mex imc
02:12 <@kwadronaut> thanks luna
02:12 < luna> means that the barricade in coyotec is being attacke
by armed groups
02:12 < luna> i guess that means paramilitaaries/priistas
02:13 < luna> not cops
02:13 <@Coyote^> if it was cops i think they would have said
so
02:13 < luna> and agree that cops are not movin in yet
02:13 <@Coyote^> which is just weird and kinda scary
02:13 < luna> but is nothing new there
02:13 < luna> this could take days
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02:14 < luna> or they could move in in the next 10 minutes
02:14 < ski_> arg fox makes me so angry
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02:14 < gus> back
02:14 < luna> people could take hostages, etc and hold the cops
back
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02:14 < luna> also it is not a 400 people village-atenco
02:15 < luna> it is a big-ish city
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02:15 <@Coyote^> right, oaxaca is a state capital
02:15 < ski> is "Corporocracia" a real word or a neologism?
02:15 <@Coyote^> dirt poor state, but still
02:15 < luna> guerilla city warfare
02:15 <@Coyote^> ski, at a hazard i would say the later
02:16 < gus> anyone have contacts with hugo chavez?
02:16 < ski> Coyote^: hablas?
02:16 < luna> cops in nrthern countries would dream to break
a city like this
02:16 <@kwadronaut> gus i'll duck into my contact archives whyowhy
do you want contact with him??
02:16 <@Coyote^> did the stream just break off?
02:16 <@kwadronaut> Coyote^: sometimes the source just wait abit
02:16 < yuri> neologism, probably.
02:16 < luna> but imagine you have to take x number of barricades
- street by street in a city
02:17 < luna> it will take some planning
02:17 <@mexicatl> they did a good job breaking lausanne during
the evian g8 here. wonder if the pfp will outdo them in oaxaca
02:17 < gus> well, last year chavez said some things about vicente
fox, maybe he could do something in diplomatic arena
02:17 <@kwadronaut> oooh
02:17 < ski> haha
02:17 < ski> chavez has zero power in diplomacy
02:17 < ski> fox is too close to bush
02:17 <@Coyote^> did he say anything nice about fox?
02:17 < ski> even if bush keeps him at arm's length
02:18 < luna> but the cops where inside geneve and laussane already
02:18 < luna> and 'the people of laussane' are awhole load of
middle class capitalists
02:18 <@mexicatl> inside the red zones, and held back the yellow
zones
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02:18 < yuri> the only "diplomatic" thing that he can do is to
lend his army to defend APPO from the fascists.
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02:19 < luna> people from all over mexico will support the appo
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02:19 < luna> there is a cal out from te zapatistas to defend
and organise against capitalism
02:19 <@mexicatl> hey! thank you so much luna! there's 40% foreigners
in lausanne, maybe more if you include the undocumented.
02:19 < luna> which estarted a thing called the otherr campaign
02:20 < luna> sorry mexicatl
02:20 < luna> ddnt see many "normal" ppl arpund yelow zone in
laussane
02:20 <@kwadronaut> mexicatl: besides you, quite a bunch of those
foreigners are rich middle class white people from neighbouring
countries.... foreigners ...
02:20 < yuri> when only one side has guns, the other dies. thats
whats happening.
02:20 <@kwadronaut> or am i wrong?
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02:21 < luna> there where really good ppl that mobilised in laussanne
too...
02:21 < luna> i was wrong with what i said
02:21 <@mexicatl> not at all. many turcs, africans, arabs, south
americans in french-speaking switzerland, some cities are total
economic-slave towns. not ghettos. slave towns.
02:21 < luna> still it is swisslandia
02:22 < luna> aha- you coul see that in the riots against the
german cops in geneve
02:22 <@mexicatl> i know. but swisslandia ain't the paradise
they make it out to be. maybe for the swiss and even the documented,
but not even that.
02:22 < luna> but not in laussane. 99% activists i'd say
02:22 <@mexicatl> well, geneva was a separate question. in lausanne
it was better, no doubt.
02:23 <@kwadronaut> well... when i was last time sleeping on
swiss' streets (zurich and lausanne) i didnt see anyone else on
the streets sleeping :-/
02:23 < gus> why we are discussing that?
02:23 < luna> i disagree i think geneve was better
02:23 <@kwadronaut> gus: no special reason i guess.
02:23 < luna> with "local"ppl revolting against the cops
02:24 <@kwadronaut> oh and gus sorry i dont have contacts there
02:24 < luna> and looting what they cant afford, and venting
their anger
02:24 < luna> anyway
02:24 < luna> radio calls for the governor to step down at last
02:25 < luna> they say that the appo movement is not gremial
anymore, but a popular movement
02:25 <@mexicatl> maybe you're right. depends on what we saw
i guess :)
02:25 < luna> gremial meaning it s not one trade union or one
sector movement, but everyone is against the governor
02:26 < luna> satelite tv moving to oaxaca
02:26 < luna> vultures circling
02:26 < luna> again talk of "civil war" - blah
02:27 < ski> part of me would love to be wrong, but there will
be no war, no revolution. fox will clamp down, getting help from
the bushistas if necessary, and that is that.
02:27 < ski> the real question is if any change for the better
can come from the violence
02:28 < gus> did you guys saw that pic-> http://www.jornada.unam.mx:8080/ultimas/helicopterazo.JPG/image
02:28 < luna> radio says that the "world media" is really pissed
that the cops killed an international jounalist
02:28 < luna> someone should inform them that brat was a companyero,
no a mass media vulture
02:28 < ski> gus - wow
02:28 < ski> luna: if the world media believes that they will
not pay any attention
02:29 < luna> if we need the mass media for this, then we are
fucked
02:29 <@Coyote^> all hell just broke loose somewhere
02:29 < luna> we need people support with atenco/oaxaca not the
mass media
02:30 < ski> luna - it depends on if you are talking about change
for oaxaca, mexico, or the world as a whole
02:30 < luna> organise anticapitalist resistance with the people,
wherever you are
02:30 < ski> Coyote^: whut?
02:30 <@Coyote^> including the mass media workers when possible
02:30 <@mexicatl> but most people don't have access to anything
other than mass media, sadly enough. so we must manipulate it
to send across the message....
02:30 < luna> couldnt understand what he said
02:31 < ski> mexicatl: that is the unfortunate truth
02:31 <@Coyote^> i don't know, somebody was callin in with lots
of background noise and shouting
02:31 < ski> to cut off the message is to preach to the crowd,
and i'd rather masturbate because at least tht would have an effect
02:31 < luna> you do not ever manipulate the mass media
02:31 < ski> luna: you can. it is tricky if you have no money
or power, but you can.
02:32 < luna> are we deluded or we used the wong words
02:32 < ski> Coyote^: what are you listening to?
02:32 < luna> you may get 1 minute of fame but the machine of
6 corps control all media in the world
02:32 <@Coyote^> radio appo
02:32 <@mexicatl> i agree with ski. they're really dumb and predictable.
once you realize that all they care about is money, then it gets
simpler (but never easy)
02:33 < luna> and behind them are the few multinational corps
that are pushing for structural reform
02:33 < ski> luna: it's true, but it is a careful balancing act.
if there's one thing to learn from bush, it's that the world is
not black and white.
02:33 < luna> that translates into change in national law, like
educationlaw, privatisation of education in mexico and oaxaca
02:33 <@Coyote^> sounds like a press conference
02:34 < ski> Coyote^: i'm listening now
02:34 < gus> more than 425 listeners of radio APPO
02:34 < luna> cmon ski!
02:34 <@mexicatl> they just dominate most of the means of distribution,
and send useless trite content through their pipes. but the pipes
are changing hands...
02:34 < ski> luna: what?
02:34 < luna> organise in the comunity
02:34 < luna> change what you can change - people around you
02:35 < luna> show them what you have seen, listen to what they
think, engage
02:35 < ski> luna: my point is that bush sees the world in black
and white, with us or against us. that is braindead. we must be
careful to not follow the same mindset
02:35 < luna> dont try to brain wash them
02:35 < ski> luna: i guess i am just jaded
02:35 < luna> with 30 secs of half cooked "facts" in a newsitem
02:35 < luna> that is what the powerfull do
02:35 < luna> manipulate tho exposure
02:35 < ski> 30 secs of half cooked facts in a news item isn't
much, but it's better than nothing
02:35 < luna> thu
02:36 < ski> i'm not saying we shouldn't make our own news too
02:36 < luna> it is nothing
02:36 < ski> just that having our news spread to the corporate
media isn't a bad thing in all cases
02:36 < luna> not about making our truths instead of their truths
02:36 < leo> cincuenta desaparecidos!
02:36 < luna> like a commune of stalinists deciding what is best
for others
02:37 < luna> 50 dissapeared?
02:37 < leo> si
02:37 < luna> says who?
02:37 < leo> from yesterdays attack
02:37 < ski> luna: i don't think i said we should manipulate
the media, my point was more that the media has chosen to take
a relatively accurate angle on this, which happens to be on "our
side", and that is a good thing
02:38 < luna> i asked before how many deaths, injured and dissapeared
a while ago in imc mexico
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02:38 <@mexicatl> they're asking for fireworks on the radio
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02:38 < luna> luna alguien sabe cuant@s muert@s, herid@s, desaparecid@s,
van en oaxaca?
02:38 < luna> radioplanton la marcha esta saliendo
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02:38 < luna> radioplanton hay 5 muertos
02:38 < luna> radioplanton cantidad indeterminada de heridos
02:38 < luna> xaam ke hay
02:38 < luna> radioplanton y hay un compa desaparecido
02:39 < luna> saying 5 killed undetermined number of injured,
one dissapeared
02:39 < ski> 5 killed today or since yesterday?
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02:39 < luna> so far
02:39 < luna> 5 so far
02:40 <@mexicatl> yesterday unless i'm mistaken, no dead today
unless i'm mistaken
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02:40 < gus> heya os
02:40 <@os> hi gus
02:40 <@mexicatl> they're asking for barbed wire
02:41 < luna> and fireworks
02:41 < luna> and cable
02:42 <@mexicatl> they're asking firemen to not help the government
but the people and do their noble social duties
02:42 < ski> what are the fireworks for?
02:43 <@Coyote^> alarms
02:43 < ski> so if something goes down, you light off a firework
and others come?
02:43 <@Coyote^> thats the idea
02:43 < ski> i see
02:43 <@mexicatl> they want barricades to be set up in montoya
due to suspicious vans driving by
02:43 <@mexicatl> reports of PFP entering the city, asking for
calm
02:44 <@mexicatl> call for the people to be alert
02:44 < yuri> two airplanes of PFP arrived today in oaxaca.
02:45 <@Coyote^> was it pfp back in june?
02:45 <@mexicatl> they're asking for nails to mount barricades
and food wrapping film and a generator
02:45 <@Coyote^> they've been asking for sheet plastic for hours
and i wonder why
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02:46 <@mexicatl> for food i think, because they asked for it
at the same time as the spices
02:47 <@Coyote^> ah, ok. no point in having a messy kitchen i
suppose
02:47 < gus> the gov continous to block the phnoes of appo radio?
02:48 <@Coyote^> doesn't sound like it, gus. they've been having
call ins all day
02:49 <@Coyote^> now thats a high spirited barricade :)
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02:49 <@mexicatl> that last bit was in mexico city
02:50 < luna> oka
02:50 < luna> here is a list of dead, injured, etc
02:50 <@Coyote^> sounded like they were actually having fun
02:50 < luna> from a grassroots human right org in mexico/oxaca
02:50 < luna> really serious activists, grassroots and the lot
02:50 < luna> muertos means dead
02:50 < luna> heridos= injured
02:50 < luna> secuestrados=kidnapped
02:50 < luna> responsables=ideantfied by security forces and
with arrest warrant but free
02:50 < luna> presos=prisoners
02:51 < luna> Lista de Muertos
02:51 < luna> William BRADLEY ROLAND (Indy-NYC)
02:51 < luna> Emilio Alonso FABIAN, profesor de la comunidad
de Candelaria Loxicha, Oaxaca
02:51 < luna> Esteban ZURITA, profesor
02:51 < luna> Encuentran a un maestro muerto en la carretera
de Santa Maria Coyotepec
02:51 < luna> Lista de heridos
02:51 < ski> solamente 4 muertos?
02:51 < leo> ?
02:51 < luna> Francisco ?NGELES
02:51 < luna> Ideberto CARMONA
02:51 < luna> David CRUZ
02:51 < luna> Enedino CRUZ S?NCHEZ, 18 a?os, impacto de bala
en la mano izquierda.
02:51 < luna> Guillermo GARC?A
02:51 < luna> Juan Carlos L?PEZ, herido en el costado derecho
02:51 < luna> Mart?n OLIVERA ORT?Z, herido de bala en la parte
alta del muslo izquierdo
02:51 < luna> Osvaldo RAMIREZ (Reportero del Milenio)
02:51 < luna> Fotografo de El Universal
02:52 < luna> Armando X
02:52 < luna> Gersain X
02:52 < luna> Michel X (estudiante)
02:52 < gus> wait!
02:52 < luna> 3 en Puente Valerio Trujano
02:52 < luna> 1 en Santiago Xanica
02:52 < gus> stop
02:52 < sharpie> ski, no solamente tres creo
02:52 < luna> Ren? RAM?REZ S?NCHEZ, en la pierna derecha.
02:52 < luna> 28/octubre/2006
02:52 < luna> Ramon RENTERAL (Herido en barricada de Sta. Anita)
02:52 < luna> Lista de secuestrados
02:52 < luna> Alan AGUILAR
02:52 < ski> luna, please don't put the whole thing here
02:52 < luna> Javier MATEO
02:52 < luna> 20 personas m?s en San Bartolo Coyotepec
02:52 < luna> Varias mujeres secuestradas en San Antonio de la
Cal
02:52 < luna> Una mujer
02:52 < luna> Presos
02:52 < luna> Adb?n AGUILAN REAL (campesino)
02:52 < luna> Alejandro ALC?NTARA GONZ?LEZ (maestro)
02:52 < luna> Javier Mateo CALDER?N (artesano)
02:52 < luna> Jes?s CANAZCO GARC?A
02:52 < luna> Mamerto GARC?A MAGALL?N (intendente)
02:52 < luna> Roberto Carlos GARC?A PACHECO (est? herido)
02:52 < luna> Cenobio GIR?N PABLO (maestro)
02:52 < luna> Reynaldo G?MEZ MART?NEZ (comerciante)
02:52 < luna> Alberto Manuel GUADALUPE (promotor bilingue)
02:52 < luna> Alberto HERN?NDEZ CALVO (Comerciante)
02:52 < luna> Teodoro L?PEZ GUTI?RREZ (hojalatero)
02:52 < ski> sharpie: luna's list has 4...
02:52 < luna> Benjam?n MAR?N GARC?A (maestro)
02:52 < luna> Cristina MART?NEZ P?REZ (est? herida)
02:53 < luna> Arturo MAGALL?N RAM?REZ (comerciante)
02:53 < luna> Gosesio MENDOZA SALINAS (alba?il)
02:53 < luna> Apolinar NORIEGA CALVO (taxista)
02:53 < luna> Juan Manuel ORTIZ GONZ?LEZ (trabajador del IEEPO)
02:53 < luna> Ulises RUIZ LOPEZ (Carcel de Miahuatlan)
02:53 < luna> Gerardo SANCHEZ (est? herido, penal de Tlacolula)
02:53 < gus> STOP!
02:53 < luna> 6 enviados a Ixcotel
02:53 < luna> that is it
02:53 < luna> confirmed to date list
02:53 < luna> doesnt mean it is complete
02:53 < luna> but cant really confirm what doesnt matter
02:53 < luna> gus?
02:53 * Coyote^ waves at sharpie whom he hasnt seen in forever
02:53 < ski> luna: it is considered annoying to paste lots of
infomration into irc
02:53 * ski as well @ sharpie
02:53 < gus> - more than 587 listeners
02:54 <@Coyote^> wrong ulises ruiz in jail
02:55 <@os> coyote^ right. wrong.
02:55 <@Anna> i think it's ok if luna pastes here. she's been
doing a LOT of work in the past hours translating and moving information.
i think somebody else can take over and move the information from
here
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02:56 < ski> hmmmm. radio appo just cut out for anyone else?
02:56 <@Coyote^> normally i don't like it, but under the circumstances
i agree, Anna
02:56 <@Coyote^> me too
02:56 < luna> anoying is death
02:56 < sharpie> hey folks. i've been busy in the middle east,
sorry about my absence. hope to be going to mexico in the next
couple weeks
02:56 < luna> sorry if i pissed ppl off by pasting info here
02:56 <@kwadronaut> ski: Coyote^ which stream are you using for
that
02:56 < sharpie> i'll be back. now its time to go drink to Brad
02:56 < ski> luna: no problem
02:57 <@kwadronaut> luna: doesnt matter its important info
02:57 < luna> but it is better to confirm numbers before playing
with rumours
02:57 <@Coyote^> http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3
02:57 < ski> i was just trying to explain for gus :) no me importa
02:57 < sharpie> oh ski, i see, la maestra tambien
02:57 < ski> Coyote^: isn't there a .m3u at the end of that?
02:57 <@Coyote^> ski, nope
02:57 < gus> explain what to me?
02:58 < ski> explain why you were shouting stop. maybe i misunderstood.
no matter.
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02:58 <@Coyote^> its fairly stable
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02:58 < ski> Coyote^: yeah it's really unreliable for me now
02:58 * kwadronaut checks source.
02:58 < luna> i lost the stream too
02:58 <@os> its on and off here
02:58 <@Coyote^> well, its been stable till now.
02:58 < ski> there is also http://67.15.192.20:8010/listen.pls
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02:59 <@kwadronaut> ski: better not shout that url
02:59 <@kwadronaut> otherwise they'll collapse ;-)
02:00 < gus> ski: sometimes we want to look the link - its more
easy to copy to other place-, ask something(link what the guy
was talking, i didnt heard anything with that noise, and etc),
but if you ppl prefer that(past in the channel) i would not say
stop again.
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02:00 <@kwadronaut> anyway seems to be still working for me ..
maybe try a reconnect?
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02:02 < gus> change to other stream: http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
02:02 < gus> or http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/appo.mp3
02:02 <@Coyote^> for what it's worth the united nations high
commisoner for human rights in mexico has condemned the violence
in oaxaca
02:03 < Gordito> i for some reason cant get the stream to work
02:03 < luna> but the mexican government is sitting on te president;s
chair of the human right comission of the UN!!!!!
02:03 < luna> and was doing so when atenco happened
02:03 < luna> bastards!!
02:04 <@zapATIsta> luna, gordito, can anyone help my friend latuff
firm up his spanish on a cartoon caption?
02:04 <@Coyote^> http://www.jornada.unam.mx:8080/ultimas/emite-alto-comisionado-de-onu-condena-por-violencia-en-oaxaca
02:04 <@zapATIsta> "Who's shooting activists during protests
in Oaxaca, Mexico?"
02:04 <@zapATIsta> "Police" "Paramilitaries"
02:04 <@zapATIsta> "question" "answer"
02:04 < luna> gordita tu tia
02:04 < Gordito> ah sorry my spainsih is pretty poor
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02:05 <@zapATIsta> np
02:05 < Gordito> is anyone here in oaxaca or going down? I was
supposed to be going in 2 weeks but I don't know anymore
02:05 <@zapATIsta> luna, if I do what I can will you msg me the
rest? he literally wants it within 5 minutes. I don't want to
let him down.
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02:06 <@mexicatl> "Âżquien le esta disparando a los activistas
durante las protestas en oaxaca, mĂŠxico?"
02:06 <@mexicatl> "policia" "paramilitares"
02:06 <@mexicatl> "pregunta" "respuesta"
02:06 <@zapATIsta> kewl!
02:06 <@Coyote^> tell that silly latuff to get his butt in here
zapa
02:06 <@zapATIsta> pregunta was the only thing I was sure of
besides quien.
02:07 <@zapATIsta> I think he's afraid of you, coyote.
02:07 <@zapATIsta> or someone or something, hehehehe
02:07 <@Coyote^> me?
02:07 <@Coyote^> hehehe
02:07 <@zapATIsta> you and I might be the ONLY americans left
he won't put on ignore or something.
02:07 < nicovl> Zap... you are in touch with Latuff?
02:08 <@Coyote^> he's made himself scarce since he was outted
as a beegees and abba fan
02:08 <@zapATIsta> hehehehe.
02:08 <@mexicatl> wow, first article on first page on bbc
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02:08 <@zapATIsta> I accused him of sexing a meerkat too and
after a bit of waterboarding he admitted it finally
02:09 <@zapATIsta> nicovl, yeah. need a msg sent?
02:09 < nicovl> well I sent him an email some time ago
02:09 < nicovl> I really need him to help me with some cartoons...
and I am prepared to give him compensation
02:10 < nicovl> it is for my music activism project
02:11 <@toya> from time
02:11 <@toya> The American, Brad Will, 36, a journalist with
the New York-based Indymedia, was shot in the abdomen in a rough
neighborhood of Oaxaca City. Will had been filming an armed clash
between protesters and pro-government men tearing down street
barricades. In a statement, U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza
said, "Mr. Will's senseless death, of course, underscores the
critical need for a return to lawfulness and order in Oaxaca."
But he also warned both sides in the Oa
02:11 < dannyp> oh yeah, the return of lawfulness
02:11 < gus> http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1551972,00.html
02:11 < dannyp> let's send some law enforcement officers there
02:11 < dannyp> they'll fucking help
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02:12 < dannyp> oh, wait, no, the murderers are law enforcement
02:12 <@zapATIsta> nicovl: msg me an email addy, and I'm IM him
exactly what you just typed. that's prolly the easiest way to
get myself back out of the loop on it and you and him back in
touch. :)
02:13 < nicovl> thanks zapATIsta
02:13 <@Coyote^> has no one in the mainstream media bothered
to look at the films and still shots they link to? they keep insisting
it was an armed conflict, as if it were an even battle or something.
which
02:13 <@Coyote^> is
02:13 <@Coyote^> simply
02:13 <@Coyote^> not
02:13 <@Coyote^> what
02:13 <@Coyote^> happened
02:13 <@Coyote^> sorry
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02:14 <@kwadronaut> yeah saw that too Coyote^
02:14 <@zapATIsta> nop
02:14 < gus> what is the problem with the radio?
02:14 <@zapATIsta> np even
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02:14 < Gordito> I was suprised the media called Brad a joournalist...I
was expecting them to classify him as a protester
02:15 <@Coyote^> some of the rank and file media hacks kinda
like us
02:15 <@kwadronaut> gus: i didnt find/see a problem with the
radio :-(
02:15 < gus> there are some 'cuts' in the streaming
02:15 < Gordito> what is the correct url for the audio
02:16 <@Coyote^> international federation of journalists raised
a good bit of hell on our behalf after genoa
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02:16 < cerezo> http://67.15.192.20:8010/listen.pls
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02:16 < cerezo> http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3
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02:17 <@Coyote^> i'm going to leave it off. its largely wasted
on me anyway as poor as my spanish is
02:18 < Gordito> i had heard someone was streaming an english
translation
02:19 < gus> i guess that all the corporate media is looking
to oaxaca now
02:19 <@zapATIsta> "Coyote^ some of the rank and file media hacks
kinda like us"
02:19 <@zapATIsta> there goes coyote making it a class issue.
02:20 * zapATIsta says actually it is. and needs to be discussed
that way as much as possible.
02:20 <@kwadronaut> there was a stream on r23 too but i lost
the url.
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02:21 < Gordito> what do people think about traveling to oaxaca...how
possible is it
02:21 <@kwadronaut> some friends of mine are still there. it
depends i think in the way you want to travel.
02:21 <@kwadronaut> they were wasting bandwith too with their
dutch stuff on appo :-)
02:22 < sw> http://stream.r23.cc:2323/appo.mp3
02:22 <@zapATIsta> thanks sw.
02:22 <@kwadronaut> aha thanks :-)
02:22 <@zapATIsta> was gonna say http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
looks stillup.
02:22 <@kwadronaut> their irc is death
02:22 <@zapATIsta> I think it's the same thing.
02:23 <@kwadronaut> yes it is, but better to use different relays
02:24 <@kwadronaut> listening now to estrecho cmi http://netjuke.r23.cc/play.php?do=play_all&type=ar&id=1990
02:25 < ski> estrecho is relaying?
02:26 <@kwadronaut> no its old experimental stuff
02:26 < Gordito> can someone sum up what was said on appo radio
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02:28 <@Coyote^> stay calm, smash the state and somebody bring
us dinner :)
02:28 < Gordito> i thought thats what i hearf
02:28 < Gordito> heard
02:28 < gus> they were talking about the assembly that had today
02:29 < gus> and the "hot points"/strategic points for the compas
to stay
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02:29 < gus> in barricades
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02:29 < sw> wow this estrecho cmi-stuff really sounds cool ,sadly
i don't speak spanish
02:30 < Gordito> nice...thnanks gus
02:30 < luna> radio keeps on surrounding the city
02:30 < luna> sorry cops keep on surrounding the city
02:30 < luna> radio keeps asking ppl not to abandon barricades,
and reinforce them
02:31 < luna> 7:31 pm in mexico
02:31 < gus> "tudo ou nada, companheiros"
02:31 < luna> night is coming
02:32 < cerezo> 8:33 in mexico
02:32 < gus> one dead
02:32 < gus> el funeral de lo companero
02:32 < Gordito> they mentioned brad
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02:34 < gus> police wearing civil clothes are doing something
that i couldnt listen :/
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02:36 < gus> anyone knows how many acess indymedia.org have right
now?
02:37 <@Coyote^> gus, we don't log, remember? :)
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02:37 < gus> but can have graphics
02:37 < shayne> Oh god. Did I just read that we lost one of the
IMC-NYC guys to a bullet?
02:38 < shayne> That is sooo fucked up :(
02:38 <@Anna> night
02:38 <@zapATIsta> we used to run webalizer on some of the locals.
I think almost everyone's moved away from that even, gus.
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02:40 < sw> shayne, yes it is true
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02:40 < shayne> Thats so sad.
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02:41 < shayne> I should go and shoot a solididarity email off
to the nyc guys. I guess they'd be hurtin a whole bunch about
this.
02:41 < ski> shayne: in all honestly the conflict in oaxaca is
more important.
02:41 < ski> at least 3 others died
02:42 < ski> but they haven't got press attention because they're
not white people in latin america
02:42 * ski not trying to flame the deceased
02:42 < gus> but its important to press solidary with a guy from
the same organization of us
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02:44 <@os> i hate to say it, but likely more dead before this
night is over.
02:44 < ski> i guess, i dunno. i tend to think it's tragic, but
every death is tragic
02:45 < shayne> Ski I understand that. But Its just a bit close
to home I guess. I suppose I feel an affinity with indykids
02:45 < ski> sure sure, i understand
02:45 < shayne> And when one gets killed I think "that coulda
been me"
02:45 < ski> i'm just a bit more jaded and coldharded
02:45 < shayne> sure
02:45 < stacy> he emailed me before he left... looking for indy
contacts
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02:46 <@kwadronaut> gus: global.i.o uses quite some mirrors
02:46 < shayne> :(
02:46 < stacy> i said i'm going to new york in december and wanted
to meet him'
02:46 < ski> :( i sorry stacy
02:46 * shayne gives stacy a hug
02:46 < stacy> thanks
02:46 < gus> kwadronaut: http://stream.r23.cc:2323/appo.mp3
02:47 < stacy> i was at a party last night with a fellow who
had worked with him
02:47 < gus> i found the link
02:47 < stacy> he found out at the part
02:47 < stacy> y
02:47 < stacy> kinda killed it for everyone
02:47 <@kwadronaut> gus: yeah i already got that back
02:47 <@kwadronaut> sw gave it
02:48 < nessuno> shayne: check this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-25P0BKVI
of the shooting of brad -its getting 500 hits an hour
02:49 < stacy> oh jeez
02:49 < stacy> i saw one pic with him on the ground... that's
quite enuf thanks
02:49 < shayne> Man. Im not sure I really want to see him getting
capped. The photos are enough. I kinda would like to know more
about the guy alive I suppose.
02:49 < stacy> i'd like to know what the circumstances were...
but i'd prefer to read about it
02:50 < gus> hey, he filmed "Sonho Real" it was an eviction in
that occupation
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02:50 < shayne> I do hope someone wraps a crowbar around the
fuckhead who shot him's head.
02:50 < nessuno> thats ok. some people wanna watch it, others
don't. i still wandering around my flat in a daze and in shock
after watching it
02:50 < stacy> so what was he doing before he was shot?
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02:51 < nessuno> i hope the cops that have been arrested hang
from a rope
02:51 < gus> its hard to see he down and with that tshrit ((i))
02:52 < stacy> i hope this brings some light to the total corruption
of the mex gov
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02:52 < stacy> i mean... the friggin political parties have their
own paramilitary???
02:53 < shayne> nessuno. As angry as we all feel about it. I
dont think executing a guy could ever be a way to honor a radical.
02:54 <@Coyote^> gus, that was an (((i))) shirt?
02:54 <@Coyote^> shit
02:54 < shayne> If someone killed me, I'd be a pretty angry ghost
if my killer was hung for it.
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02:55 <@Coyote^> malatesta said being shot was an occupational
hazard for revolutionaries and presidents
02:55 < stacy> don't worry shayne, he won't hang... they'll find
a way to say that he was being attacked and it was all legit
02:55 < stacy> he'll probably be promoted
02:55 < sw> Coyote^: yes it was, yesterday some ppl talked about
this
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02:55 < nessuno> brads death has proved now that there are police
death squads operating in mexico. his death and the others may
prevent mexico from slipping into a dictatorship( its a dictatorship
at the moment). they are certainly martyrs like carlo from genoa
and others
02:56 < shayne> Hopefully wake a few americans up as to how fucked
up the situation really is down there.
02:56 <@Coyote^> does anyone know, is this the first indymedia
person killed? we've come close, i know
02:56 < gus> how democratic mexico is. like 71 years with PRI
in command
02:56 < shayne> Still. All this wont give brad's mother back
her son, if you'll excuse the pathos a bit.
02:57 < shayne> It may well be the first murder. Its not the
first death
02:57 < stacy> of course not, shayne, but if ya gotta go... its
good to bring some issues out with you
02:57 < shayne> I was expecting the first murder to come from
darwin imc, oh well.
02:57 < shayne> yeah.
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02:58 < stacy> he knew he was getting into some serious shit
02:58 <@Coyote^> several seriously injured over the years, including
of course nessuno
02:59 < shayne> Ah sod it. why do I get all emotional about this
sort of stuff. I might go outside have a cig and chill for 10
mins.
02:59 < stacy> i knew that it was hell dangerous when I was there
3 months ago
02:59 < gus> he was always in serious shit, like sonho real...in
his video we can hear the sound of the bullets passing in the
camera
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03:00 <@kwadronaut> Coyote^: shirt from sfimc
03:00 <@Coyote^> somehow that makes it worse
03:01 <@Coyote^> or, i dunno, maybe not
03:01 <@zapATIsta> that just makes me shiver a bit.
03:01 < sw> take care that u don't oberlook ppl that knew him
well when they still don't know what just happened, so that u
can catch them before falling in this deep hole some of you fell
in, okay?
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03:02 < stacy> sw: what do you mean?
03:02 <@kwadronaut> i didnt think of it when i went to the nightshop,
have an <> shirt on and the guy behind the counter actually
asked if i knew him :-(
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03:02 <@kwadronaut> (i didn't but i was kinda shocked by the
question)
03:02 < sw> some hours ago someone came in and saw the topic,
he/she got really sad
03:03 < stacy> sw: so what do you recommend?
03:03 < stacy> take down the topic?
03:03 < sw> no
03:03 < stacy> it's gunna suck no matter what
03:03 < gus> but the topic is no longer saying about brad
03:04 < ski> shayne: same here
03:04 < ski> oops, scroll lag
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03:04 < sw> but we work as on it since 24h and from outside it
looks like we are not affected
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03:05 < sw> --as
03:05 < ski> someone want to work on translation of that youtube
video to english and get it up on imc?
03:06 < stacy> if someone wants to send me the text of it, i'll
do it
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03:07 < nessuno> coyote, i am wrestling with your question because
rachel corrie and tom hurndall did write a few contributions to
palestine indymedia but did not describe themselves as journalists.
i, of course came very close to taking that title. brad was a
central column nyc experienced journo that has been with the network
for a long time, so i guess he is the first.
03:08 < nessuno> http://www.frucht.org/images/soa/bradwillmurdered2.mov
is the download version zap and i are working on but its not finished
yet
03:08 <@Coyote^> thats what i thought. at least the first while
doing imc work.
03:08 < ski> nessuno: what are you doing to it?
03:09 < ski> mixing in that song and/or translating?
03:09 <@Coyote^> pablo came damn close in argentina, you of course,
probably others
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03:10 <@kwadronaut> gus: feel free to change it again, i guess
it went because of the various ircrestarts
03:10 <@gus> hey did you guys saw that video? http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/849380.shtml
03:10 <@gus> kwadronaut: for me its ok :)
03:10 <@gus> Video
03:10 <@gus> video: brad singing
03:11 < nessuno> the difficulty is ripping it from youtube because
its a FLV format and converting it to an mp3 and then adding new
audio over it. its still in make up. i placed the link of the
.mov if other people want to do somethin with it
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03:11 <@iconoclast> Coyote^: it is probably my state of mind
atm, but I can read nessuno's analysis as a rational thing, but
your words give me the creeps...
03:12 <@iconoclast> "doing imc work"...
03:12 <@Coyote^> sounds a bit cold at that but i don't know any
other way to put it
03:12 <@iconoclast> I know you didn't mean it the way I feel
it...
03:13 <@iconoclast> but about the topic.. maybe a slightly human
approach?
03:14 <@gus> iconoclast: ok, suggestions?
03:14 <@zapATIsta> here's my new version just for brad:
03:14 <@zapATIsta> http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/15232.php
03:14 <@zapATIsta> low tech. right to a 30$ mic on the mic in
of my laptop.
03:15 <@iconoclast> "we feel sorry for the guy" or something
(note the something, and know my cynical state of mind)
03:16 < shayne> "The mood of revolt must end". FUCK OFF REPORTERS
WITHOUT BORDERS.
03:16 < shayne> Blaming the people for Brad's murder is fucking
WRONG.
03:16 < shayne> Please someone tell me I misread that.
03:16 < shayne> http://publish.nyc.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/77844.html
03:17 < ski> shayne: as i recall, RWB tries hard to have no political
agenda, and thus doesn't "take sides"
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03:17 < ski> and cops are people too, sigh
03:18 < ski> as are PRIist\as
03:18 < shayne> Then why the fuck is it asking for "the mood
of revolt" to end?
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03:18 <@iconoclast> english is not my native language, and I
wouldn't wanna do that one without knowing the correct expression,
but something like "our deepest regrets go out to the friends
and family of ..."
03:18 < shayne> It wasnt "revolt" that lead to this murder, it
was MURDER that lead to this murder. Murder by the COPS, not the
the revolutionarys
03:19 < shayne> Yeah. Thats fine iconoclast
03:19 <@Coyote^> that is a politicaly naive statement
03:20 < stacy> buenos noches radioplantondf
03:20 <@Coyote^> well intended perhaps but dumb
03:20 < Gordito> is there anyone else doing vid in oaxaca
03:20 <@iconoclast> Coyote^: mine or shayne's?
03:20 < ski> shayne: i think you're misunderstanding what they
are saying, but it is a bit strange phrasing
03:20 <@Coyote^> rwf
03:20 <@iconoclast> or ski's? :-)
03:20 < ski> instead of mood of revolt perhaps they should have
said "violence"
03:21 <@Coyote^> exactly, or repression even better
03:21 < shayne> Hmm. yeah. I suppose its possible that its not
an english primary language speaker who wrote it as well.
03:21 < ski> Coyote^: sure. the PRI nutcases are clearly violating
laws too
03:21 <@zapATIsta> shayne: by revolt, maybe they mean counterinsurgency?
03:22 < shayne> I suppose.
03:22 <@zapATIsta> but that gets complex fast.
03:22 < stacy> radioplantondf, bienvenidos... estas en df?
03:22 < ski> altho in spanish it reads much the same
03:22 * zapATIsta is listening to desert rat recorded live at
rrr 2002. :)
03:22 <@Coyote^> you bet they are. i read an article the other
day listing how many violations of the mexican constitution ruiz
could be guilty of. impressive list
03:23 * shayne tends to imagine reporters san frontier as french,
but thats only cos I know doctors without borders are french
:)
03:23 < ski> actually
03:23 <@zapATIsta> hehehe
03:23 < ski> i think that is a sort of mistranslation
03:23 < ski> there is a paragraph break there that isn't in the
spanish translation
03:23 < ski> read that sentence with the last one in the paragraph
above
03:23 < ski> It also urged federal authorities to investigate
him and the Oaxaca municipal police, which it said had become
a militia used by local officials. �We are horrified by this
escalation of violence,� it said. �The mood of revolt in Oaxaca
must end.�
03:23 < ski> and it becomes clear they are talking about the
militas, not the people
03:23 <@zapATIsta> ah
03:24 <@gus> 1) reinforce the barricades ; 2) more communication
with the base ; 3) communication with ppl
03:24 < nessuno> shayne, rsf did not quote this themselves. they
quoted Oaxaca state governor Ulises Ruiz Ortiz who we know is
a scumbag
03:24 < shayne> Fair enuff.
03:24 <@gus> basicaly: we will not took off our barricades
03:24 <@gus> we will resist pacifically
03:24 < shayne> Ok. I guess I'll stop my little 2-minute-hate
and return to just being angry at the murderers
03:24 <@gus> but if its necessary, we will take mesarure to resist
and protect our companeros
03:25 < cerezo> https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/542.shtml
03:25 < shayne> Right on comrade.
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03:26 <@zapATIsta> shayne: I know what you mean.
03:26 <@gus> the gov is trying to provocate us,
03:26 <@gus> and justify the repression
03:27 <@gus> we are inviting all the ppl to manifest at 16h
03:27 <@gus> in oaxaca
03:27 < ski> gus: youare in oaxaca?
03:27 < stacy> gus: to protest
03:28 <@gus> ski: no, i'm brasil, translating the audio of appo
radio
03:28 < stacy> manifestacion
03:28 < ski> gus, ah
03:28 <@Coyote^> if fox is in such a rush to restore order and
prevent more violence he can send pfp in to clean out the governors
office. he'd be the most popular president in mexican history
03:28 < ski> Coyote^: hahahahahahahahaa
03:28 < ski> sigh
03:28 * shayne adores the term 'manifest' as its used by some
of his euro and spanish friends.
03:28 <@gus> agree
03:29 < shayne> Its a great word
03:29 < ski> all it means is show up :)
03:29 < shayne> yeah, but it just sounds way cooler.
03:29 <@Coyote^> my comrade george uses it all the time.
03:29 < stacy> but it means 'to protest' in Spanish, right?
03:30 <@Coyote^> demonstrate more or less
03:30 < ski> oh is it? i stand corrected
03:30 < stacy> different from the English word 'manifest' iirc
03:30 < shayne> I have a lebanese friend who uses it alot. So
it seems to translate across that way in quite a few languages
03:30 < shayne> brb
03:30 < stacy> interesting
03:31 <@Coyote^> george, who's ancient and french, talks about
the prolitare, too
03:31 < stacy> hahaha
03:32 < shayne> I think when I become ancient, I'd like to be
french.
03:32 < stacy> i overheard some trots in sydney one time talking
about 'the lumpenproletariat'
03:32 < ski> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6094596.stm
- coyote, see the part title "president's vow"
03:32 < ski> the senate voted, there will be no stepping down
03:32 <@Coyote^> if you're ever at a atlanta peace vigil and
see a little old man with a red beret go introduce yourself
03:32 < shayne> I honestly dont understand the trots. for a group
that espouses devotion to the working class, they can be awfcully
derisive of it.
03:33 < ski> lumpenproletariat? i don't think i understand that
03:34 < stacy> ski: it's the underclass... criminals, prostitutes,
homeless... etc
03:34 < sw> :)
03:34 < stacy> it's just a very ancient way of referring to it
03:34 < ski> stacy: ah
03:34 < stacy> very marxist
03:34 <@Coyote^> marx could only understand them as potential
scabs.
03:35 < ski> can we stop the trot/marx bashing before it starts?
its not really relevant
03:35 <@Coyote^> true
03:35 * stacy just finds it amusing
03:36 < stacy> ski: from that bbc article... "But the Senate
recognised that conditions of "ungovernability" existed in the
state and criticised Mr Ruiz for failing to bring months of violent
protests to an end."
03:36 <@Coyote^> back to george. he ran away from home in 1936
to fight in spain. like i said, he's ancient and french
03:36 < ski> stacy: yah
03:37 < stacy> small concession
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03:38 < sw> if u study social science u could understand ppl
who are part of the lumpenproletariat as being part of the lowest
class(lumpen[de]ols clothes) and try to have the highest role/position(proletariat)
<- this is even in german way funny, cus' those ppl mix up Role
and Class
03:39 * zapATIsta loves the word "lumpenproletariat"
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03:39 <@Coyote^> a maoist called me lumpen once but said he meant
it as a complement
03:40 < sw> do u know what maoists understand as complemant ;)
03:40 < sw> *complement
03:41 <@zapATIsta> I think maoists and neocons complement each
other sometimes.
03:41 * zapATIsta isn't talking about clothing but should be.
03:41 <@os> lumpenclothes okay
03:42 <@Coyote^> zapa. you haven't noticed how many of the neo-con
intellectuals are ex-lefties?
03:43 <@gus> hey hey
03:43 <@gus> latuff cartoon
03:43 < yuri> haha
03:43 <@gus> here(small)-> http://85.234.144.181/~gus/fotos/OaxacaSpanish.jpg
03:44 <@gus> big size-> http://85.234.144.181/~gus/fotos/Fox_spanishBIG.gif
03:44 < yuri> lumpenproletariat it's a cool word, isn't it?
03:44 <@zapATIsta> if anyone needs a little comic relief:
03:44 <@zapATIsta> http://www.thesmartestman.com/
03:45 <@zapATIsta> The background is me playing a beethoven folk
dance on guitar.
03:46 < stacy> there was a cartoon in the zocalo when i was there...
it was a teacher negotiating with ulises and ulises says "I'll
give you a raise of sixty thousand" and the teacher says "Pesos?",
and ulises responds, "No, police".
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03:46 <@zapATIsta> wow
03:47 <@kwadronaut> gus: the big one killed my browser...
03:47 <@os> kwadronaut..that is really sad, it didnt even kill
this machine :P
03:48 <@kwadronaut> ...thinks...
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03:49 <@os> you must have a lumpenbrowser :P :P
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03:49 <@gus> ah! a lumpenbrowser!
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03:49 <@kwadronaut> os yeah it is for sure a lumpenbrowser....
03:49 <@kwadronaut> made of cloth
03:50 <@os> that explains much
03:50 < sw> i was wondering for the whole time what happened
to my files, cus' they were sortet in the wrong direction... what
i wanted to say, take care about summertimeswitch if u live in
europe
03:50 <@kwadronaut> sw: so, what time is it?
03:50 <@os> and what about if you live in australia..are they
upside down?
03:50 < nessuno-AFK> changing the subject slightly... Ł3.68 trillion:
The price of failing to act on climate change http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1934381,00.html
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03:51 < sw> os: there summertime starts today
03:51 <@os> oooh
03:51 <@kwadronaut> winter
03:52 <@os> it was today for sure :/
03:52 < sw> kwadronaut: ill have a look at videtext tomorrow
morning...
03:52 < sw> n8
03:52 <@kwadronaut> sweet dreams se
03:52 <@kwadronaut> sw
03:53 <@os> nw?
03:54 <@kwadronaut> blah
03:54 <@os> zapATIsta:
03:55 <@zapATIsta> hi
03:55 <@os> latuff asks if you got the links for the cartoons,
i said yes so you did, right?
03:55 <@Coyote^> yupyup
03:55 <@zapATIsta> no, I see no links.
03:55 <@kwadronaut> what north america also switching?
03:55 <@os> gus put them in the channel
03:55 <@zapATIsta> can someone type it here?
03:55 <@Coyote^> and i just made it my picture on myspace
03:55 <@os> scroll up
03:56 <@gus> 23:44 <@gus> here(small)-> http://85.234.144.181/~gus/fotos/OaxacaSpanish.jpg
03:56 <@kwadronaut> 03:43 <@gus> here(small)-> http://85.234.144.181/~gus/fotos/OaxacaSpanish.jpg
03:56 <@kwadronaut> 03:44 <@gus> big size-> http://85.234.144.181/~gus/fotos/Fox_spanishBIG.gif
03:56 <@gus> 23:44 <@gus> big size-> http://85.234.144.181/~gus/fotos/Fox_spanishBIG.gif
03:56 <@kwadronaut> i win
03:56 <@gus> i was first!!!!!!
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03:56 <@gus> so, its 3 am there?
03:57 <@kwadronaut> huh i dont understand
03:57 <@kwadronaut> time that is sorry
03:58 <@zapATIsta> hahahaha.
03:58 <@zapATIsta> ok os. Now you can tell latuff I've seen it.
03:58 <@gus> ow nice music in appo radio
03:58 <@os> i already told him you did before you did . didnt
want him yelling at me
03:59 <@zapATIsta> hehehehe
03:59 <@zapATIsta> os. he yells at you too, eh?
03:59 <@os> of course
03:59 <@zapATIsta> I should tell him one day, "If I want to be
yelled at I'll hang out with my sister"
04:00 <@os> i say'now now, you were doing so well, being nice
and patient... ' he hates that.
04:00 < Gordito> http://youtube.com/watch?v=E9oH3I4GH3E
04:01 <@os> what is that, gordito?
04:01 < Gordito> a video about oaxaca
04:01 < Gordito> before the craziness of the last few days
04:01 <@os> ok
04:01 < Gordito> its actually half decent
04:01 <@zapATIsta> lol
04:01 <@gus> lats video from brad https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/542.shtml
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04:01 <@gus> last
04:02 < Gordito> so i was supposed to be in oaxaca in 2 weeks
thinks its a bad idea to still go
04:03 <@gus> maybe not
04:03 <@os> in 2 weeks it will be totally different. who can
tell what it will be like?
04:03 < Gordito> true
04:03 < Gordito> but i think it will get heated before the election
04:03 <@kwadronaut> well again... depends on what you want to
do
04:03 <@Coyote^> http://www.ainfos.ca/ainfos00768.html Milicias
Insurgentes - Ricardo Flores Magón
04:04 < Gordito> who shot this video
04:04 < Gordito> the one gus linked
04:04 <@gus> that video is from brad camera
04:04 <@kwadronaut> brad shot it
04:05 < Gordito> he doesnt get shot in it does her
04:05 < Gordito> he
04:06 < Gordito> ????????
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04:06 <@gus> i didnt understand you queastion
04:06 <@Coyote^> i have no clue who the milicias insugentes rfm
might be but they use all the right buzzwords
04:07 < Gordito> this isnt the video he was shooting when he
got shot is it
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04:07 < shan> yes
04:07 <@gus> Gordito: i guess that is exactly that video
04:07 < Gordito> jesus
04:07 < Gordito> i cant wathc that
04:07 <@gus> 16minutes, the 8 minutes first is interview and
other stuff
04:08 < shan> then don't watch the end
04:08 < Gordito> yea not today
04:08 < shan> the first part is from earlier in the day
04:08 < shan> from the crazy shit at the university
04:08 < shan> some porros tried to start a fire in the law school
04:09 < shan> and a guy at the barricade near the university
was yanked off the street by ginmen
04:09 < shan> gunmen
04:09 < shan> then the shit happens in Sta Lucia
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04:09 <@gus> http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/77864.html
04:09 < shan> and he interviews some of the neighborhood folks
04:10 < shan> and then gets in close to where the shooting is
04:11 < shan> it clearly shows that there's a group of gunmen
and a bunch of barricaders with rocks
04:15 < Gordito> i met brad in miami at the ftaa and ny at the
rnc
04:15 < Gordito> this is horrible
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04:17 <@gus> el pueblo unido . . .
04:17 <@os> it is.
04:17 < Gordito> if he had a vest on he prolly wouldve lived
04:17 < Gordito> do they know what he was shot with
04:18 <@kwadronaut> 9mm
04:19 < Gordito> fuck that was preventable
04:19 <@kwadronaut> well thats official info
04:19 <@iconoclast> Gordito: please!
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04:21 < scenestar> http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?threshold=4&mode=thread&commentsort=0&op=Change&sid=203272
04:21 < scenestar> wow
04:21 < scenestar> just fucking wow
04:21 <@zapATIsta> on this video is that brad yelling "ayudame?"
04:23 <@zapATIsta> the distance he was shot from seems like it
must've been a sniper very relaxed.
04:23 < Gordito> iconoclast i just mean't that there are things
that can stop small arms fire
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04:24 <@zapATIsta> I'm not trying to push for another "Carlo
Giuliani" per se, but something tells me a case can be made for
them deliberately not hitting the person next to him and training
on him premeditated, from the angle of that film.
04:25 < Gordito> this is way diff from carlo
04:25 <@zapATIsta> yeah, I know. I'm just pointing out the possibility
that this might well have been an assassination.
04:25 <@os> well..he *was* filming. makes sense from their viewpoint
to take him out.
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04:26 <@os> although kind of stupid too
04:26 < Gordito> or it was a lucky shot
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04:26 < Gordito> there was a truck between them and the shooters
it seemed
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04:28 <@Coyote^> the shooter saw the camera, i'm sure of that
04:29 <@Coyote^> that one shoot was lens to muzzle
04:30 < stacy> wow: "the President may employ the armed forces,
including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public
order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result
of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health
emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in
any State or possession of the United States, the President determines
that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the
constituted authoritie
04:30 < stacy> s of the State or possession are incapable of
("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to
suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful
combination, or conspiracy"
04:31 < stacy> i like the bit about 'domestic violence'
04:31 < stacy> like they'll send the military in because he forgot
to put the toilet seat down again...
04:31 <@Coyote^> darn, and i like unlawful combinations
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04:34 <@iconoclast> Gordito: I know exactly what you mean, but
this was either an accident (which can never be prevented) of
deliberate (which can also not be prevented).
04:35 <@Coyote^> i actually admire that he didn't have a vest.
he was taking the same risks as the people he was there to document
and support
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04:41 < shayne> stacy: Im tempted to suspect the 'domestic violence'
things a mistranslation.
04:42 < stacy> shayne: that's not a translation... that's verbatim
from a new US bill that just passed
04:42 < stacy> http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/
04:42 < shayne> Ah sorry
04:42 < shayne> US bill?
04:42 < shayne> fuck.
04:42 < stacy> yep
04:42 < stacy> that's now law
04:43 * Coyote^ goes out to organize an unsuppressable combination
04:43 < stacy> :)
04:43 < shayne> wait. I thought the govt was forbidden from deploying
the army on local turf?
04:43 < stacy> can i be part of it?
04:43 <@Coyote^> stacy, sure
04:43 < stacy> shayne: that was the good ol' days
04:43 <@Coyote^> used to be
04:44 < shayne> The US govt sure don't like those tried and tested
old latin-named rights.
04:44 < stacy> not anymore
04:44 <@Coyote^> they've always been able to nationalize the
national quard.
04:45 < shayne> Well. theres always canada I guess.
04:45 * stacy wants to go back to Australia :(
04:45 <@gus> that video is pretty shocking
04:45 < yuri> what video, gus?
04:45 <@gus> brad's video(with his camera)
04:46 <@Coyote^> martin luther king on more than one occasion
had the protection of the alabama national guard against the alabama
state police and allied racist thugs
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04:48 <@gus> i'm going to slepp
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04:48 <@gus> good night
04:48 <@Coyote^> night gus
04:48 <@os> goodnight gus
04:48 <@gus> i hope good news tomorrow
04:48 <@os> we all do
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04:49 < stacy> i'm gunna put on my indymedia t-shirt and go rent
a dvd for distraction
04:49 < stacy> laterz
04:49 <@os> later stacy. take care
04:52 <@os> does anybody have update from radio appo?
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05:02 < luna> are people going to stay up to see what happens
in oaxaca?
05:03 < bht> where are we at now?
05:04 <@os> i am staying for as long as i can, yes
05:04 < luna> it is 10 pm in mex
05:05 < luna> people thought that pfp was going in at 10
05:05 < luna> bt havent been listening for the next hour
05:05 < luna> someoe else has
05:05 < luna> i'll ask
05:06 < luna> they are saying that people are around the body
of brat
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05:08 < luna> some one is saying a prayer for the people in the
barricades
05:08 < luna> asking people to stay alert
05:08 < luna> dont trust new people
05:08 < luna> everyone has their faces covered, balaclabas, hankerchiefs,
etc
05:09 < luna> but everyone should know who is who
05:10 < luna> music now
05:12 < luna> about 100 ppl around the body of brat
05:12 < zapATIsta> is that a wake?
05:13 < luna> yes
05:13 < ryan> luna - where are you?
05:13 < luna> la noche
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05:13 < luna> 6 lorries turned round in xoxo when they faced
a barricade
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05:14 < yuri> what it is Iorries?
05:15 < luna> camiones
05:15 < yuri> cierto.
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05:16 < luna> same thing people reinforcing barricades keeping
alert
05:16 < yuri> anybody knows how do i write in bold in html?
05:17 < david> text
05:17 < yuri> thanks1
05:17 < yuri> !
05:17 < luna> appo called for a demo to mexico city tomorrow
05:17 < luna> - if we survive -
05:18 < david> luna: are you listening to radio appo?
05:18 <@os> :|
05:18 < david> i'm just hearing chants now
05:19 < yuri> i hope so.
05:19 < luna> yep
05:20 < luna> we were translating the stream on this channel
05:20 < luna> today
05:21 < luna> people are having a bit of a party in the studio
05:21 < luna> loads of support there, phiscally
05:22 < luna> people have answered the call out to support radio
tool and zocalo, as night has dawned over the city
05:22 < luna> getting closer to the crucial hours
05:22 < luna> of the night
05:23 < luna> radio are asking people not to think they can go
home to sleep
05:23 < luna> and come back tomorow morning
05:23 < luna> there might not be "tomorrow morning"
05:25 < luna> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/822/3571/1600/LAVOZ.jpg
05:25 < luna> i am the voice that they want to silence
05:25 < luna> for no reason
05:26 < luna> my only crime is thinking diferently- rest in peace
brat-cheers mate
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05:32 < zapATIsta> wow
05:38 < nicovl> this is pretty amazing:
05:38 < nicovl> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6093582.stm
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05:46 <@os> nicovl: what is un-amazing about it though, is that
the ppl who killed brad, have been identified pretty clearly from
the various video footage and pictures around, so it is not unclear
at all. you would think that mainstream news would be happy to
be first to report those details also..
05:47 < nicovl> well, we can't have it all
05:47 <@os> indeed
05:48 <@os> and good morning, btw.. you are up early, or late?
05:49 < nicovl> and although it isn't what we should be thinking
about now... This is a huge step for indymedia. Never before has
it been referenced by mainstream media in such an authentic way!
05:49 < nicovl> I am up late of course
05:49 < nicovl> about to head for bed
05:49 <@os> true enough. it was nice to see canada's major newspaper
do a direct link to indymedia on the front page.
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05:54 <@os> gnite ZZZki
05:54 < ZZZki> os!
05:54 < ZZZki> sing me a lullaby, would you?
05:54 < nicovl> night ZZZki
05:55 <@os> heh, you bet.
05:55 <@os> sleep can be your escape
05:55 < ZZZki> i'm waiting
05:55 < ZZZki> os - sleep is my escape.
05:55 <@os> yes
05:55 < ZZZki> i can sleep 36 out of 48 hours if i want
05:55 <@os> lucky you
05:55 < luna> never we have been shot so dead
05:56 <@os> sleep has escaped me forever
05:57 < ZZZki> os - is this your lullaby?
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05:57 < ZZZki> cmon. use your computer's microphone, and then
send me an mp3. i wnt to laugh at you
05:57 < ZZZki> i mean be lullabyed
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05:58 <@os> cant always get what you want
05:58 < ZZZki> but you said you would
05:58 < ZZZki> os lies like a politician
05:59 <@os> OI!!!
05:59 < ZZZki> not oi, os
05:59 <@os> cmere and say that, you slimey little ratsbastarding
freak
05:59 * ZZZki cmere's
06:00 <@os> i wasnt talking virtual
06:00 < luna> there is a small plane hovering over oaxaca
06:00 < ZZZki> oh
06:00 <@os> uh oh
06:00 < ZZZki> erm
06:00 <@os> i didnt mean to shout, sorry.
06:00 < ZZZki> luna: plane, not helicopter
06:00 < ZZZki> ?
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06:01 <@os> i take back the ratbastarding.
06:01 < luna> yep plane, hovering
06:02 <@os> strange
06:02 < luna> like a vulture
06:02 < luna> not a colibri
06:03 < ski_revived> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colibri
06:03 < ski_revived> interesting.
06:03 < leo> anyone has mexico indymedia's declaration in spanish?
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06:05 < luna> two military style vans ( olive green colour )
have been seen in the San Juanito with an estimated 6-7 soldiers
inside each vehicle
06:05 < luna> two military style vans ( olive green colour )
have been seen in the San Juanito with an estimated 6-7 soldiers
inside each vehicle
06:06 < leo> hey the radio is working really bad
06:06 < leo> or is it just my connection?
06:06 < luna> it is dropping a lot
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06:06 < leo> ok
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06:09 < nicovl> time for me to sleep... cya every1
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06:09 <@os> day nicovl
06:09 < nicovl> bye os ;o)
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06:18 <@os> luna: any more of this hovering plane?
06:18 < luna> keeps flying
06:19 < luna> might be checking fires in barricades
06:19 < luna> draw a picture of locations
06:19 < luna> there have been no flights the revious nights
06:19 < luna> previous
06:19 < luna> keep listening
06:20 < luna> and organise people
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06:23 <@os> thanks :)
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06:26 < luna> creo qe eso es algo qe los compas de otros paises
tienen qe hacer un esfuerzo por entender: qe a diferencia de lo
qe pas en Atenco donde qienes "abrieron" paso a las fuerzas federales,
en lugares como Oaxaca donde el porrismo es la base del sistema
policiaco y poltico, qienes "abren" el paso a fuerzas federales
son precisamente los sicarios o escuadrones de la muerte
06:26 < luna> translation from mexico imc name makers
06:27 < luna> i think that is something that compas from other
countries have really try to get into their heads
06:27 < luna> that unlike in atenco
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06:28 <@mahtin> estoy mirando el video de brad
06:31 < luna> the ones tat open the way for the offial terrosists
are the unoffial terrorist, the paramilitaries
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06:33 < luna> radio>
06:33 < luna> caller from santacruz
06:34 < luna> woman with a student son, asking everyone to support
the barricades, that there are not too many in her barricade
06:34 < luna> and thinks that it'd be a good id to sounds the
church bells when the cops go in
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06:36 < luna> she asks for people not to become spectators in
what is happening in their city
06:36 < luna> to take on to the streets
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06:39 < yuri> "i think this is something that the comrades from
others countries need to make an effort to understand: the difference
between what happens in atenco, where opened way to the federal
forces, to places like oaxaca, where "porrismo" is the base of
political and police system, the ones that open the way for the
federal forces are the death squads pro-government.
06:39 < yuri> "
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06:39 < yuri> this is my translation.
06:40 < yuri> is not perfect
06:40 < luna> yep, that is better
06:40 < luna> more literal
06:40 < yuri> buut, it's somethin.
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06:41 <@os> it is quite a statement.
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06:46 < yuri> como esta la radio universidad??
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06:47 < cerezo> gente de EU mandando mensajes de apoyo
06:47 < zombirz> hey jlaw
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06:52 < sharpie> fuck fuck
06:53 < sharpie> just watching brads last video
06:53 < sharpie> fuck
06:53 <@mahtin> yeah
06:54 <@occam> url?
06:55 < yuri> http://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/542.shtml
06:55 < yuri> get it from there.
06:55 <@occam> ok
06:56 * occam happy that it worked to upload
06:56 <@occam> i make a torrent
06:56 < yuri> hard, very hard.
06:57 <@occam> i fear to watch it
06:58 < sharpie> no matter how many beers i drink for brad
06:58 < sharpie> it doesnt become any easier
06:58 <@mahtin> it doesn't show the balazo or anything
06:58 <@mahtin> if you skip to the end
06:59 < sharpie> http://video.indymedia.org/download/%5BIndymedia%5D_(2006-10-29)_Infamia-contra-Bradley_ataqueArmado-en-SantaLucia-del-Camino__Oaxaca--27oct06.mp4
06:59 < sharpie> thats teh url i'm looking at
06:59 < sharpie> fuck the fucking state
06:59 < sharpie> fuck fox
06:59 < sharpie> fuck mexico
06:59 < sharpie> fuck pri
06:59 < sharpie> fuck
07:00 < sharpie> all i have to sayh is, i'm hoping for some vigilante
justice
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07:06 < sharpie> ...
07:06 < sharpie> anyone out there in mexico?
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07:08 < sharpie>
07:11 < sharpie>
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07:15 < sharpie>
07:16 <@occam> :-(
07:17 <@mahtin> in the mexico channel
07:17 <@mahtin> more likely
07:17 < sharpie> anyone awake in mexico?
07:17 < sharpie> yah ok
07:17 < sharpie> thx mahtin
07:21 <@mahtin> np
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07:32 < zombirz> many awake in mexico, but must of us are on
other channel either oaxaca or mexico
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07:35 < rz> alguien sabe si pararon un appobus en puebla hace
rato?
07:44 < onto> http://www.ulisesruizasesino.com/
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11:16 < zombirz> chau, que descansen, see ya
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11:37 < kaiser_wilhelm> hallo?
11:38 < kaiser_wilhelm> ah, daar bent jullie
11:38 < kaiser_wilhelm> de andere kamer was
11:38 < kaiser_wilhelm> leer
11:39 < kaiser_wilhelm> kunnen jullie misschien een word zeggen?
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11:40 <@fierman> p[atience is a virtue
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11:55 < mil> Quelqu'un connait les nouvelles depuis cette nuit
Ă Oaxaca?
11:58 < mexicatl> je viens de mettre un mis Ă jour sur le site
suisse romande
11:58 < mexicatl> http://switzerland.indymedia.org/frmix/
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12:00 < mil> ok merci mexicatl
12:00 < tchernaya> et j'ai entendu dire qu'ils y avaient des
news/feature aussi sur indy toulouse
12:00 < tchernaya> ŕ vérifier
12:00 < mil> on essaie aussi sur indy liege
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12:22 < jolly> good morning
12:22 < shayne> I have something that will cheer people up.
12:22 < shayne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-S3jC6gFk
12:22 < jolly> radio appo isn't transmitting?
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12:22 < mexicatl> they took a break just now, for a couple of
hours
12:22 < shayne> Insanely batshit casio music played by Insanely
batshit (and admitely attractive) woman.
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12:23 < arwen> goodday
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12:30 < shayne> Oh god its so heartbreaking reading the annecdotes
and stuff about Brad Will. He sounds like such a lovely man :(
12:31 < shayne> Its sad reading peoples distress. people shouldnt
ask "what if", but should ask "what now?".
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12:51 < arwen> later
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13:06 < txopi> hi
13:06 <@Anna> hi txopi
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13:21 < gus> heya
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13:25 < zapATIsta> hey gus, hey all
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13:30 <@gdm> zapATIsta: thanks for the music links/downloads
;-)
13:31 < gus> some pics of brad in caracas, in memory-> http://www.midiaindependente.org/pt/blue/2006/10/363386.shtml
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13:32 < zapATIsta> welcome
13:32 < assink> ello
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13:51 < slow-motion> hallo
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14:00 <@teilla> la radio de l'université elle re-marche ....il
ya personne qui se faire un petit resumé de temps en temps????
14:00 <@teilla> serai super gentil
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14:05 <@ttx> libby!
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14:10 < gus> alert alert about the movement of the police
14:11 <@toya> oi
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14:11 <@toya> mex_away: me avisa cuando regressas!
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14:15 < shayne> Can someone tell me if blackdovecollective.org
is up?
14:15 * shayne can see it. aparently some cant
14:16 <@kwadronaut> blackdovecollective.org does not exist, try
again
14:16 <@kwadronaut> dns
14:16 < gus> red alert
14:16 < gus> red alert
14:16 <@toya> ?
14:16 < gus> la policia preventiva ja esta avancando
14:16 < gus> (radio)
14:16 < gus> the police is moving
14:16 <@kwadronaut> shayne: check your dns.
14:17 < gus> one ppl hurt by one helicopter
14:17 < gus> (radio info)
14:17 < gus> alert: the police is moving
14:17 <@toya> they have something to remove the tuff fromthe
barricades
14:17 <@toya> stuff
14:18 <@occam> luna_:
14:18 <@occam> luna_:
14:18 <@occam> luna_:
14:18 <@toya> they are asking to not let the PFP to detain anyone
14:19 < gus> two car and water to remove the barricades
14:19 <@toya> they have to tanks with sticks to remove the barricadas
14:19 <@toya> and also water tanks to remove them
14:20 <@toya> we must bein the streets to protect us
14:20 <@toya> we cant alowd this agressions
14:20 <@toya> we cant alowd the violence to happen on the streets
of oaxaca
14:20 < gus> (what time is it in mexico?)
14:20 < shayne> can people see perthimc.asn.au?
14:20 <@toya> is early
14:21 < zapATIsta> 820 or 720
14:21 < zapATIsta> am
14:21 <@toya> they are callin gthe pppl
14:21 <@toya> to go to the main entrances
14:21 <@toya> and reinforce the barricadesa
14:21 <@occam> shayne: slow but loading
14:21 < shayne> ok.
14:21 < shayne> hmm.
14:21 < gus> 7:17 Avanza la PolicĂa Federal Preventiva, con
10 autobuses y 2 tanquetas al frente, con palas para remover barricadas.
Un herido ya fue recogido por un helicĂłptero.
14:22 <@toya> gus: publica um informe no cmi brasil?
14:22 < gus> na editorial?
14:22 <@toya> o que voce acha?
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14:23 < gus> vamos colocar uma nota, acho que eh uma emergencia(discutimos
na #brasil?)
14:23 <@toya> sim
14:23 <@toya> ok
14:23 <@toya> eu acho que pode ser no editorial um quadro com
essa nota como esta em ny ou em uk
14:23 <@toya> sabe?
14:23 <@toya> they are removing the first barricade
14:23 <@toya> with water
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14:26 <@toya> goddamnt
14:26 <@occam> Alster: radio, raeumunghat begonnen.
14:26 <@occam> http://ahimsa-radio1.indymedia.org:8300/appo.mp3.m3u
another relay
14:26 <@toya> the pfp is 200 metros
14:27 < gus> 200 meters from xxxxx
14:27 <@toya> agencia de alguma coisa
14:27 <@toya> close from some agency or somethign
14:27 <@toya> 4 tanks
14:27 < gus> 4 taks
14:27 < gus> tanks
14:27 <@toya> to remove the baricades
14:27 <@Anna_weg> time for some breaking news on the global site?
14:27 <@toya> yes
14:27 < gus> have firemans too
14:27 < gus> yes!
14:27 <@Alster> danke occam
14:28 <@toya> someone who is close is speaking
14:28 <@Anna_weg> i have two little kids clinging to me, i just
can't. can someone do this?
14:28 <@toya> i couldnt understand
14:28 <@toya> :/
14:29 < shayne> Can someone do a dig on blackdovecollective.org
14:29 * shayne forgot who I registered this with.
14:30 <@kwadronaut> shayne: just do in a terminal whois blackdovecollective.org
or use something like www.dnsstuff.com
14:31 <@kwadronaut> and better ask these questions in #tech
14:31 <@toya> he is saying bout the act of sending the pfp is
an unconstitucional act
14:31 < skep> pfp is the state police, right?
14:31 <@toya> yah
14:31 <@kwadronaut> yes
14:31 <@toya> hold
14:32 <@toya> on i neeed to put thison brasil feature
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14:32 <@toya> and i will continue translating
14:32 < skep> thx
14:32 <@toya> <-recording the streamm
14:32 < gus> occam is already doing it
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14:34 <@toya> yah i am doing it since yesterday
14:34 <@toya> we might use it on the radio toda
14:34 <@toya> here
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14:36 <@toya> meu tem que colocar acento
14:36 <@toya> no editorial
14:36 <@toya> eu nao tenho
14:36 <@toya> voce coloca lah gus?
14:37 < gus> feito
14:37 < gus> toya: como eu coloco links lah?
14:37 <@toya> voce quer colocar no informe das 7 ?
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14:37 < gus> embaixo, links para acompanhar(radio, lajornada,
cml)
14:39 <@toya> eu to explicando no brasil
14:39 <@toya> como que faz isso
14:39 < gus> the police is at Coruna zone
14:39 < gus> Corona
14:39 <@toya> 8 to 10
14:39 <@toya> tanks
14:39 <@toya> they are reorganizing themselve in that point
14:39 <@toya> they have a group in the front with the riot police
i think
14:40 <@toya> with sticks
14:40 < gus> granaderos
14:40 <@toya> and on the back they have a bigger group
14:40 <@toya> from the pfp
14:40 < gus> strong weapons
14:40 <@toya> with weapons
14:40 < gus> the are waiting the "green ligght" to enter
14:40 < gus> (the police)
14:40 <@toya> yah
14:40 < gus> *they
14:40 < gus> "we dont wanna violence in Oaxaca"
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14:43 <@toya> she is giving a salud tothe oaxaca ppl ;) but the
radio ppl is asking her to leave the phone line clean
14:43 <@toya> to recieve information
14:43 <@toya> of the pfp and what is going on at the barricadas
14:43 < gus> they have fields, weapons
14:44 < gus> someone is doing indyglobal feature???
14:44 <@toya> i think anna is doing
14:44 <@occam> no, anne is not
14:45 <@occam> anna
14:45 < sw> 14:28:15 <@Anna_weg> i have two little kids clinging
to me, i just can't. can someone do this?
14:45 <@toya> i see
14:45 < gus> women crying in the radio
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14:46 <@occam> gus: that needs no language to understand, but
what did she said?
14:47 < gus> i didnt understand too
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14:48 < gus> radio: they dont wanna violence...invinting to a
march at XX hours
14:49 <@toya> the ppl are leaving with flowers and religious
images
14:49 <@toya> they are asking ppl to go to the streets
14:49 <@toya> and also saying that is no reason for the php
14:49 <@toya> pfp
14:49 <@toya> pos
14:49 <@toya> ops
14:49 <@toya> to get in the university
14:49 <@toya> because they arent blocking anything
14:49 <@toya> they are inside of the bulding using hte university
instalation
14:50 <@toya> so there i sno rason for the pfp to attack that
building
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14:50 <@toya> anyone has access to the global feature?
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14:50 <@toya> i dont know how to make a breaknews
14:51 < txopi> toya, i don't have access but i know using mir
14:51 <@toya> give me a min
14:52 < txopi> sure
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14:52 < txopi> saludos bronka-bcn
14:53 < bronka-bcn> buenas
14:53 < gus> they are calling all the organization to protest
against URO and support oaxaca
14:53 < gus> and inviting all ppl to go the streets
14:53 < gus> at 14horas
14:53 < gus> hours
14:53 < gus> against the police in oaxaca
14:54 <@toya> with posters etc
14:54 <@toya> againt the presence of pfp
14:54 < txopi> toya, i can help you in the #tech channel
14:54 < bronka-bcn> we are repeating the in barcleona and internet
from radio bronka
14:54 <@toya> i am joing it
14:55 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
14:55 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
14:55 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
14:55 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
14:55 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
14:55 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
14:55 <@toya> protest in the mexico city
14:55 <@toya> at 4pm
14:55 < dannyp> is someone saving a copy of the stream for archival
and offline transcription?
14:56 <@toya> i am
14:56 <@kwadronaut> dannyp: occam is doing that too
14:56 <@toya> i have all from yesterday
14:56 <@toya> i will put it online
14:56 < txopi> this is a pacific movement
14:56 < bronka-bcn> another mirror: http://www.radiobronka.info/audio/radiobronka.m3u
14:56 < txopi> they have arms, but us no
14:56 < txopi> go to the streets all the people
14:57 < txopi> we are here for a right reason
14:57 < dannyp> toya: should probably break it up by the hour
and then use indytorrents for distribution. it will be a popular
download, I think
14:57 < txopi> don't doubt it
14:57 < dannyp> I can help with that
14:57 <@toya> dannyp: is bread up
14:57 <@toya> dannyp: break
14:58 < bronka-bcn> people from barcelona can listen the emision
in 104.5 FM
14:58 < txopi> bring flowers with notes asking that ulises ruiz
go home
14:59 < txopi> if you don't have flowers, paint them
14:59 < txopi> and bring them (where?) to ask that ulises ruiz
go
14:59 < txopi> make orchata (drink) too
14:59 < txopi> show that we are pacific
14:59 < txopi> we don't want repression
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15:01 < prime> a call for international mobilitazations today
and/or tomorrow in all the representations of the mexican goverment
15:01 < txopi> we don't want arrested people because the expression
of their rights
15:02 < txopi> people is concentrating near to the corona enterprise
15:02 < txopi> they remember their 3 telephone numbers
15:03 < txopi> call there to give reports about whats going on
15:03 < txopi> the police is concentrating near to the corona
enterprise
15:04 < txopi> they have tanquetas and whater-guns to remove
barricades
15:04 < txopi> they also have stronger weapons
15:04 < txopi> the police is the guilty for the situation of
oaxaca
15:05 < txopi> ulise ruiz ortiz and (other two people) must be
arrested
15:06 < txopi> the answer of the oaxaca people is great
15:07 < txopi> the police is reorganizing
15:07 < txopi> they aren't advanceing yet
15:07 < txopi> all the peolpe to the street
15:07 < txopi> we have the right to organize our self
15:07 * gus more than 320 listeners
15:07 < txopi> we have the right to fight for our rights
15:07 <@occam> http://vientos.info/cml/ << has a minute by minute
in ES
15:08 < skep> hehe..I have that page open via google-translation..
15:08 <@occam> http://vientos.info/cml/?q=node/5916
15:09 < txopi> go to the zocalo of the city
15:09 < txopi> a telephone call
15:09 < txopi> the conflict of oaxaca is not going to be resolved
by the police
15:10 < txopi> the guilt of this situation is ulises ruiz
15:10 < txopi> we are not the guilties
15:10 < txopi> we are fighting for our rights
15:10 < txopi> we are free
15:10 < txopi> our fight will continue
15:11 < txopi> until ulises ruiz drops
15:11 < txopi> until ulises ruiz goues down
15:11 < txopi> today at 14:00 a big march will happen
15:12 < txopi> all the people that hears radio universidad come
to oaxaca
15:12 < txopi> show to all the people in mexico and out that
we have the reason and also the dignity
15:12 < txopi> the call was from a teacher
15:13 < gus> a urgent call
15:13 < txopi> a new call from mexico
15:13 < gus> to the barricadas
15:14 < gus> la radio esta siendo atacada?
15:14 <@toya> nono
15:14 <@toya> thefalaram que tem um grupo de polica
15:14 <@toya> no reitoria
15:14 < gus> xi
15:15 < gus> the police is moving also to the radio universidad
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15:15 < gus> they are calling the ppl to help them to reinforce
the radio studio
15:16 < gus> i think that a guy from Coruna front
15:16 < txopi> i have to go
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15:19 < gus> they are calling to all the ppl around the radio
universidad to reinforce the defense at there.
15:19 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
15:19 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
15:19 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
15:19 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
15:19 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
15:19 * occam Please: any spanish and english speaker - help
with the transcript
15:20 < gus> its necessary to help and make secure the instalaciones
the la radio universidad
15:20 < dannyp> should there be a specific IRC channel for transcription?
15:20 < dannyp> transcription/translation even (although they
are two separate tasks...)
15:21 < gus> all the oaxacanos should go the streets and go against
the PFP
15:21 <@kwadronaut> damned we so need noeito :-(
15:22 < gus> (repeating the call to protect the radio universidad)
15:22 <@occam> just write it down here, both languages, people
form the different imcs will collect the infos and put it on there
sites
15:24 < gus> we need to be alert, alert, and go to the streets
15:24 < gus> urgent calling
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15:29 < andypie> I have used Occam's suggestion on the Google
translation to put a link to breaking news on Cleveland Indymedia
- sort of
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15:35 < jolly> ppl were called to go to the streets and show
that the mobilisation works, but to manifest peacefully with banners
and posters to point out it is the police attacking (if this happens)
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15:38 <@occam> ALL SPANISH SPEAKERS - HELP WITH THE TRANSCRIPT
OF THE RADIO - JUST WRITE IT DOWN HERE IN ENGLISH OR SPANISH
15:38 <@occam> ALL SPANISH SPEAKERS - HELP WITH THE TRANSCRIPT
OF THE RADIO - JUST WRITE IT DOWN HERE IN ENGLISH OR SPANISH
15:38 <@occam> ALL SPANISH SPEAKERS - HELP WITH THE TRANSCRIPT
OF THE RADIO - JUST WRITE IT DOWN HERE IN ENGLISH OR SPANISH
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15:39 < skep> all occam's - stop the spam :p
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15:39 < jolly> again it is pointed out the importance not to
be the one that starts fighting and to disregard even provocations
15:40 <@occam> many thanks :)
15:40 < jolly> caller reports from the street that ppl are quitely
manifesting, there are no arms around
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15:42 * jolly is not a spanish speaker, i just translate, what
i understand myself - plz help out..
15:42 < palitroches> a,igos
15:42 < palitroches> ya saben
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15:42 < palitroches> entro la pfp a oaxaca
15:42 < palitroches> hay muchos contingntes
15:43 < palitroches> se ha registrado un herido
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15:44 < gus> i didnt understand the phone calls
15:44 < bamzin> they're asking for every mexican state to manifest
against whats happening in oaxaca and spread to the world that
'in mexico there's no justice'.
15:44 < bamzin> its hard to understand the phone calls..
15:44 < palitroches> aca se escuchan bien
15:44 < palitroches> estamos en oaxaca
15:44 < palitroches> la gente esta resistiendo
15:45 < palitroches> hay manisfestaciones de apoyo
15:45 < gus> palitroches: se usted transcribe lo que la gente
habla en lo telefono, yo traduco
15:45 < palitroches> pero ya estan avanzando los pfp
15:45 < palitroches> te lo digo en espańol?
15:45 < gus> si
15:45 < palitroches> OK
15:45 <@toya> 11:44 <@toya> the audio from yesterday from appo
radio
15:45 <@toya> 11:44 <@toya> http://baderna.birosca.org/appo/
15:45 <@toya> 11:44 <@toya> the 01 is the earliest one
15:45 <@toya> 11:45 <@toya> i have more but those are in a mp3
player so it will take longer to
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15:45 <@toya> upload
15:46 <@toya> 11:45 <@toya> if ppl want it
15:46 < palitroches> estan avanzando por el lado de corona las
tanquetas
15:46 < palitroches> la gente pide la no intervencion de la policia
fedral pereventiva
15:46 < palitroches> se van a concentrar en el tendor
15:46 < gus> the police is coming from the Corono side with
the tanks
15:46 < gus> the ppl dont want the intervencio PFP in oaxaca
15:46 <@toya> gus nova atualizacao
15:46 <@toya> vamo subir!
15:47 < palitroches> radio universidad se manifiesta en contra
de la presencia de la pfp
15:47 < palitroches> en oaxaca
15:47 < palitroches> un llamado a la solucion oacifica
15:47 < palitroches> los universitarios se manifiestan por la
caida de ulises ruiz
15:47 < palitroches> pero en forma pacifica
15:47 < palitroches> llaman a resguardar la radio
15:47 <@kwadronaut> toya: need mirrors for that audio?
15:48 < palitroches> 9511364757
15:48 < gus> the students are protesting against ulises ruiz
15:48 < palitroches> los telefonos locales
15:48 < palitroches> yes
15:48 <@toya> kwadronaut: yah it is a good idea that is a vserver
from riseup vfarm
15:48 < gus> and there is a calling to resist and make secure
the radio universidad
15:48 <@toya> gus: olha no brasil!
15:49 < palitroches> hay balacera en
15:49 < palitroches> colonia
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15:49 < palitroches> una camioneta de policias ministeriales
15:50 < palitroches> no escuche donde
15:50 < gus> have shot
15:50 < gus> shots
15:50 < jolly> from a van with four person was shot an ppl
15:50 < palitroches> estan disparando contra las barricadas
15:50 < gus> with a car of police
15:50 < palitroches> de nuevo
15:50 < palitroches> grupo de chokes de ulises ruiz
15:50 < gus> they are shoting against the barricades
15:50 < jolly> shooting on the barricades
15:50 < gus> its a group of ppl that support ulises ruiz
15:50 < palitroches> el lugar colonia vicente guerrero
15:51 < bamzin> no han avanzado?
15:51 < palitroches> si
15:51 < palitroches> es que hay provocadores
15:51 < palitroches> del pri
15:52 < palitroches> que quiern enfrentar la pfp
15:52 < palitroches> para que ellos dańen a los de la appo
15:52 < palitroches> ya avnaza los efectivos de PFP
15:52 * gus (away) urgent)
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15:52 <@toya> 1 twhite truck was moving forward at vincente suarez
without a license and with 4 guys shooting with fire gun
15:53 < palitroches> vicente suareez la camioneta ya esta rodeada
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15:53 <@toya> the truck is surounded by the ppl
15:54 < palitroches> ya la tienen cercada
15:54 < palitroches> a ver que pasa
15:55 < yuri> it looks like that one is gray. and not white.
15:55 < yuri> one truck.
15:56 < yuri> confirm?
15:56 < jolly> yuri: that's what i got, too
15:58 < palitroches> parece que hay problemas tambien en el aeropuerto
15:58 <@kwadronaut> http://cemab.crackedwillow.net/appo/ did
a wget -m
15:58 < palitroches> estan llamando a el sindicato de la universidad
15:58 < palitroches> para que apoye
15:58 <@kwadronaut> will do again in around 8pm utc
15:59 < palitroches> el vocero de la appo
15:59 < palitroches> la direccion colectiva saluda la resistencia
15:59 < palitroches> convocan a seguir manifestandose
15:59 < palitroches> pacificamente
15:59 < palitroches> a resistir
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16:02 <@toya> palitroches: puede hacer un resumo de lo q esta
passando ahora par aponder en el editorail
16:02 <@toya> una linea que seya
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16:02 < palitroches> lo que esta pasando es:
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16:03 < palitroches> Los contingentes de la pFP estan avanzando
desviando el trafico
16:03 < palitroches> en santiaguito
16:03 < palitroches> y estan avanzando
16:03 < palitroches> la gente esta resistiendo en las barricadas
16:03 < palitroches> no se han retirado
16:03 < palitroches> van a resistir
16:03 < palitroches> pero hay priistas infiltrados que tratan
de provocar
16:04 <@toya> (y sobre la caminhoneta esta?)
16:04 < palitroches> no se sabe nada
16:04 < palitroches> aun
16:04 < palitroches> la pfp esta desviando el trafico en santiaguito
etl
16:04 < palitroches> etla
16:04 < palitroches> eso quiere decir que estan preparando al
entrada
16:05 <@toya> palitroches: gracias ya etoy subindo sobre lo que
informaste
16:05 < palitroches> hay que informar que la gente de la appo
tiene la orden de resistir pacificamente
16:05 <@toya> ok
16:05 <@toya> ok
16:05 < palitroches> las barricadas estan apoyadas
16:05 <@toya> si lo voy hacer
16:06 < palitroches> estan ubicando a infiltrados priistas
16:06 < palitroches> los sacan
16:07 < palitroches> la consigna es fuera la pederal preventiva
y ulises ruiz de oaxaca
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16:08 < palitroches> las mujeres van a frente
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16:11 < palitroches> una noticia
16:11 < palitroches> la gente se tomola radio oficial de guelatao
16:11 < palitroches> y van a transmitir apoyo
16:11 < jolly> is there a map of the location(s) somewhere online?
16:11 < palitroches> y que se sumen a la marcha a las 2 de la
tarde en oaxac
16:12 < palitroches> quieres un mapa de oaxaca?
16:12 < palitroches> jolly
16:12 < palitroches> ???
16:12 < jolly> palitroches: si
16:12 < palitroches> Ok wait
16:12 < palitroches> i se
16:12 < palitroches> i see
16:14 < palitroches> pto de ncuentro para manfestacion es monumento
a juarez
16:14 < palitroches> no encuentro mapa esperame
16:15 <@toya> ok subi em brsail y ya subo en indymedia
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16:20 < leo> hola
16:20 < leo> palitroches
16:20 < palitroches> si
16:20 < leo> como es la noticia?
16:20 < palitroches> tengo mapa pero no se como enviarlo
16:20 < palitroches> la noticia es que la pfpf
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16:20 < palitroches> esta en espera
16:20 < palitroches> la gente esta salienod a apoya a la apo
16:20 < palitroches> pero hay porros del pri
16:20 < leo> mucha?
16:21 < leo> hay mucha gente?
16:21 < palitroches> si bastante
16:21 < leo> masivamente?
16:21 < palitroches> pero no tan masivamente
16:21 < leo> entonces la PFP no entro
16:21 < palitroches> cientos
16:21 < palitroches> no miles
16:21 < palitroches> jolly tengo mapa
16:21 < palitroches> soy torpe en este chat
16:21 < palitroches> como se manda
16:21 < palitroches> ????
16:22 < leo> ponele el link
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16:23 < palitroches> la pfp esta esperando
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16:23 < palitroches> estan como puestas en capas
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16:23 < palitroches> al frente de la gente
16:23 < palitroches> pero no estan actuando aun
16:23 < palitroches> pero el pedo es que hay tanquetas
16:23 < palitroches> y hay porros
16:23 < txopi> que son porros?
16:23 < leo> pero no hay barricadas?
16:24 < leo> y bazucas?
16:24 < palitroches> porros son pagados por pri
16:24 < palitroches> por ulises
16:24 < leo> thugs
16:24 < palitroches> si hay barricadas
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16:24 < palitroches> pero pocas
16:24 < leo> pocas?
16:24 < txopi> porros = policias?
16:24 < palitroches> si pocas
16:24 < leo> palitroces tu estas en oaxaca?
16:24 < palitroches> estan replegados
16:24 < palitroches> si
16:24 < palitroches> por que leo?
16:24 < leo> entonces estan todos al rededor del zocalo?
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16:24 < palitroches> no
16:25 < txopi> radio> all the people go to the zocalo
16:25 < leo> eh?
16:25 < txopi> radio> they said that all would be daialoging
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16:25 < txopi> radio> but all the people say that the dialog
was a lie
16:26 < txopi> radio> the people that is in the barricades don't
move
16:26 < txopi> radio> don't go to the march
16:26 < txopi> radio> resist in your positions
16:26 < palitroches> la gente esta en el zocalo
16:26 < palitroches> pero ademas estan en la entrada que viene
de mexico
16:26 < txopi> radio> a report from viguera
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16:27 < palitroches> que es donde estan los de la pfp
16:27 < leo> palitroche, el universal dicen que habian vaciado
el zocalo
16:27 < leo> por orden de flavio sosa
16:27 < palitroches> no es verdad
16:27 < txopi> radio> they are not going to use violence
16:27 < leo> no?
16:27 < txopi> radio> a new report
16:27 < palitroches> no aun hya gente
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16:27 < palitroches> detuvieron a un guey de la pfp
16:27 < leo> andale
16:27 < palitroches> vestido de civil
16:27 < txopi> radio> the telephone singnal is very poor. i don't
understand
16:28 < txopi> radio> people in the radio ask him to repeat
16:28 < leo> txopi
16:28 < leo> im listenign to the radio
16:28 < palitroches> no se entiende
16:29 < leo> entonces que se dice ahi
16:29 < txopi> leo, i'm translating for all the channel
16:29 < leo> que van a resistir?
16:29 < yuri> infiltrados y provocadores
16:30 < palitroches> hay 4 personas infiltradas en la gasolinera
la joya
16:30 < txopi> radio> it is important to prepare the posters
saying "repudio a luis ortiz"
16:30 < palitroches> 3 hombres se dice ser medico
16:30 < skep> hmm: the signal of the radio is being blocked in
the center of oaxaca?
16:30 < palitroches> pero estan viendo que si son provocadores
o no
16:30 < palitroches> no aca no esta bloqueda la seńal por internet
16:30 < palitroches> pero si la radio
16:31 < txopi> skep, the internet signal is ok
16:31 < palitroches> yes
16:31 < txopi> radio> be carefull and be alert
16:31 <@toya> ok i publish mor breaknes on global
16:31 < skep> yeah..just read about it on http://vientos.info/cml/
16:31 < jolly> palitroches: la mapa no esta en rete?
16:32 < txopi> radio> there are some infiltrated people that
is trying to make things go more hot
16:32 < txopi> radio> detect this people
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16:32 < txopi> radio> they police wants an excuse to use the
violence
16:32 < txopi> radio> a march at 14:00 from monumento juarez
to the zocalo
16:33 < txopi> radio> people that isn't in the barricades or
other activities go to the march
16:33 < txopi> radio> people in the barricades continue there
16:33 < txopi> radio> identify the infiltrated people so we can
make the acts pacifically
16:34 <@toya> a gray truck was shooting at ppl
16:34 <@toya> 2 trucks
16:34 < txopi> radio> some people shoot guns over people in one
barricade
16:34 < palitroches> jolly
16:34 <@toya> a toyota truck
16:34 <@toya> and another one
16:34 < palitroches> sorry i cant send you the map
16:34 < jolly> ?
16:34 <@toya> 1.500 ppl
16:34 < txopi> radio> they are mora than 1500 people in the streets
16:34 < jolly> no promblema, gracias
16:35 < txopi> radio> police continues reorganizing
16:35 < txopi> radio> they still don't advance
16:35 < palitroches> vehiculos dispararon contra barricadas
16:35 < txopi> radio> 16 tanquetas
16:35 < palitroches> camionetas grises
16:35 < palitroches> 2
16:35 < palitroches> mas d 1500 personas
16:35 < palitroches> manifestandose
16:35 < palitroches> la pfp se esta reorganizando
16:36 < txopi> radio> there is also an elicopter
16:36 < txopi> radio> be alert
16:36 < palitroches> ya que siguen llegando
16:36 <@toya> they are shooting from the helicopters
16:36 < palitroches> son 600 efectivos de las fuerzas federales
16:36 <@toya> the helicopter is flying over the university
16:36 < palitroches> a la empresa corona
16:36 <@toya> 12:36 <@toya> they are shooting from the helicopters
16:36 <@toya> not now
16:36 <@toya> but they did it before
16:36 < palitroches> la gente esta identificando a los porros
16:36 <@toya> they are asking ppl to take mirrors
16:37 < txopi> radio> use mirrors to show to the police's elicopter
that we are moving
16:37 < palitroches> un helicoptero
16:37 <@toya> to blind the ppl in the helicopteros
16:37 < palitroches> sobre la ciudad
16:37 < txopi> radio> use the mirrors to make the elicopter goes
blind
16:37 <@toya> txopi: isnt to blink them?
16:37 < palitroches> en la universidad
16:37 < txopi> radio> they want to take photos
16:37 < ryan> its to blind them
16:37 < txopi> radio> they are stdiyng how to epty the radio,
etc.
16:38 < txopi> toya, yes. sorry for my english
16:38 < txopi> the mirrors are to lbind the people in the helicopters
16:38 <@toya> ;)
16:38 <@toya> NP
16:38 <@toya> ops
16:38 < txopi> radio> bring food tho the ppl in the barricades
16:39 < txopi> radio> we must to be there all the time
16:39 < txopi> radio> there is people that doesn't eat for days
16:40 <@toya> the PFP had an accident
16:40 <@toya> and 14 hurt
16:40 -!- Topic for #indymedia: ((i)) BREAKING NEWS OAXACA::
ALERT - FEDERAL POLICE begins assault in Oaxaca! LISTEN RADIO
APPO: http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3 | http://vientos.info/cml/
16:40 -!- Topic set by kwadronaut [...] [Sun Oct 29 01:25:46
2006]
16:40 <@toya> and 1 dead
16:40 < palitroches> jolly un mapa en http://oaxaca.magazzine.net/maps/historiccenter.html
16:40 < ryan> heh
16:40 <@toya> from the PFP
16:41 <@toya> 5 is very hurt
16:41 < leo> what accident?
16:41 < bamzin> 14 feridos, 4 graves e un muerto on an accident
16:41 < palitroches> un accidente de la pfp
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16:41 < bamzin> all PFPs
16:41 <@toya> the pfp had an accident while moving
16:41 <@toya> in a comboio
16:41 <@toya> i think
16:41 < palitroches> en tehuacan
16:41 < palitroches> 5 heridos
16:41 < palitroches> 1 muerto
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16:42 < palitroches> jolly
16:42 < palitroches> you see the map?
16:42 < gus> 12:43 < shan> hay un helicoptero dando vueltas por
el centro de oax
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16:43 < gus> there's a helicopter in oax downtown
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16:43 < palitroches> la radio llama a darle inestabilidad al
vuelo
16:43 < palitroches> del helicoptero mediante espejos
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16:43 < palitroches> y laparas
16:43 < palitroches> lamparas
16:43 < gus> the radio is calling the ppl to use mirrors to make
instable the helicopter
16:44 < palitroches> la gente de la barricadas se esta quedando
ahi
16:44 < palitroches> gante de las comunidades baja para apoyra
16:44 < txopi> radio> the police started to advance
16:44 < txopi> radio> don't use the violence
16:44 < txopi> radio> don't move the barricades
16:44 < txopi> radio> we are going to make an effort all together
16:44 