UK Indymedia 9/11 Moderation

Some notes on the on-going discussions related to the moderation of articles about 9/11 on UK Indymedia.

Table of content :

History

Indymedia has had content related to 9/11 from the very start, following is some of the coverage from the 6 months following the atrocity.

September 2001 Articles

911 will affect us all

"The destruction of the world trade centre has global implications that will affect everyone. The tragic events of tuesday have spurred NATO into declaring a state of war for all member states against an as yet unidentified enemy."

"While the finger of blame is being pointed at osama bin laden there is a strong call going out for increased security, surveillance and policing for the whole of the western world. A BBC journalist reported that there would very likely be increased police attention towards dissident political groups. A country at war has no time for disagreement."

"We could find ourselves in a few weeks or months in a large scale war against large parts of the arab world and suffering a major clampdown by the authorities on home soil. If this ever becomes the case, how will we react?"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/09/11415.html

BBC story implies pre-plan prior to 911 day against Afghanistan

"According to a recent BBC story, a former Pakistani official has said that he was informed that the US planned an attack on Afghanistan well before the Sept 11 catastrophe happened in NY."

In a comment: "So does no one here remember the Taliban's rejection of the Unocal oil pipeline last year that Cheney and Co are so very keen on?"

"There are so many holes in the official statements regarding the appalling WTC disaster that only the ignorant could be taken in by the gross jingoism emanating from 'our leaders'."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/09/11798?c=on

October 2001 Articles

police state after 11th september

"We all bear the events of September 11th in mind. In the U. S. A. several airplanes were flown purposely into the WTC and the Pentagon; Ussama Bin Laden and a terror organization allegedly led by him were blamed for the attacks. In early October, finally, the US government, together with Great Britain, hit back by bombing the Islamic state Afghanistan, thus continuing medieval crusades."

"Furthermore, since September 11th, there have been numerous cases of anthrax in the US. At first only media firms received mail deliveries with contaminated contents, later also politicians. Again, there was talk of "terrorism"."

"Making use of these events, new laws have been brought on their way or already decided upon, across federal states in the US as well as in the European Union."

"We know of the - illegal - activities of the US secret service NSA, which listens in on telephone, fax, and email connections worldwide; many of us know about the often semi-legal bugging actions of the inner state offices of the police and the secret services."

"These semi-legal and illegal actions shall now be made completely legal by allowing the respective "state offices for safety" to listen in on mail, email, phone, and fax connections, even without a concrete suspicion to start with."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/10/14540.html

911 CIA insider trading

"Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the “put options” on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency. Until 1997 A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker’s Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering. Krongard’s last position at Banker’s Trust (BT) was to oversee “private client relations.” In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/10/14723.html

Globalization and September 11 by George Caffentzis

"So, not only have thousands been killed as pawns in a power struggle in the ongoing "oil wars" of the Middle East, the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon has brought us back to the political structure that prevailed during the Cold War; that is, a structure where we in the antiglobalization movement have to confront both sides, since neither side represents the interests of working people in any part of the world."

"The suicidal attack on Washington and New York and Bush's response, therefore, are also attacks on the antiglobalization movement because they are both calculated to bring increasing divisiveness and despair within a planetary working class that was beginning to see an alternative reality taking shape. It is crucial that we do not let the war drums and increasing restrictions on civil liberties succeed in erasing the movement's organizing achievements."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/10/14947.html

November 2001 Articles

Was the CIA connected somehow to 9-11 tragedy?

"WHY DID MAINSTREAM MEDIA "VOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE INSIDER TRADING THAT PROFITED OFF THE 9-11 HORROR," AND THEN SUDDENLY . . . DROPPED THE STORY? DOES IT LEAD TO ELEMENTS OF THE CIA? SOUNDS INSANE, BUT READ ON."

FBI AND US SPY AGENTS SAY BUSH SPIKED BIN LADEN PROBES BEFORE 11 SEPTEMBER

"FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/11/15669.html

Expanded s11 big investor trading scam article listing

"S11 Short Selling Bibliography- Updated and expanded long list of s11 insider trading scam by big investors Last night I posted an article and due using a computer which was acting odd, the post posted vertically. My apologies. I have not only corrected the situation, but have found MANY MORE ARTICLES WITH MORE DETAILS THE TRADING SCAM. I also am not charging for people Was there a CIA connection t to view it (as should everyone--it's an ethical duty, since spilling the beans on these assholes may prevent a police state!!!"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/11/15862.html

bin laden denies sept 11 attack

"apparently resonding to the interpretation placed on his remarks by a uk paper and perhaps postings all over indy, bin laden gives an interview denying personal responsibility"

"Pakistani newspaper prints interview with bin Laden - "The Al-Qa'idah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usamah Bin-Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani paper Ummat. Usamah Bin-Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan's people to jihad against the West."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/11/16012.html

Mr. Cheneys over Story for sep11th (more lies and cover up for NWO)

"In Part 1, Section 1 we demonstrated that Andrews Air Force base, 10 miles from the Pentagon, had combat-ready fighter squadrons on September 11th. Why didn't jets scramble from Andrews until after the Pentagon was hit?"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/11/17010.html

DEMAND an inquiry in possible CIA / 9-11 connection (?)

"Save this Activist Kit and PASS IT ON AND ON. 9 distrubing facts around the CIA and 9-11 (all sourced with URL's to mainstream articles. Contact Lists with Congress, all UN Missions, all British Consulates, hundreds of media contacts. Send these 9 disturbing reports with a DEMAND for inquiry."

"The Bush Administration forced the FBI to back off of the Bin Laden investigation months before 9-11."

"The CIA station chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden 7 weeks before 9-11, and at a time when Bin Laden was supposedly "wanted" by the CIA."

"INSIDER TRADING PROFITS off of 9-11 were frenzied over by the US media when they thought it was Arab terrorists . . . but then the story mysteriously died. Until, the UK Independent reveals that it leads to a firm chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA (and stranger still is that $2.5 million of the "winnings" are still unclaimed"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/11/17225.html

December 2001 Articles

Egyptian President Mubarak warned Bush of 9/11 Attacks

"MSNBC is reporting on there ticker tape at the bottom of the screen that Al-Safir a Lebanese news service has quoted Egyptian President Mubarak as saying that he warned Bush twelve days before the 9/11 attacks that the us would be attacked."

"If this statement is true the worst fears of the left could be true. Did Bush and his cronies leave town to get out of the way of the attacks?"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/12/18013.html

Bush Slip Reveals Total 9.11 Complicity

"Bush Slip Reveals Total 9.11 Complicity -- Says Saw Film of FIRST Attack on WTC:"

"THERE WAS NO SUCH BROADCAST!!"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/12/18706.html

Join the Int'l Movement to DEMAND Inquiry into 9-11, and possible US Govt collusion

""Wake up Neo . . . the matrix has you.""

"JOIN THE INTERNATIONAL MOVEMENT TO DEMAND INQUIRY INTO 9-11 AND POSSIBLE US GOVT. / CIA COLLUSION!!!"

"I urge you to consider this."

"Right now the world activist community is running from one springing leak to another while the powers that be keep punching new holes in the dam, be it attacks on the environment, new wars, civil liberties being stripped, human rights abuses, US domestic terror threats, etc."

"Our scattered focus makes us relatively powerless. IF we could gather our strength and FOCUS LIKE A LASER BEAM on this issue of "was there US govt. collusion in 9-11?", we could create a ROAR of demand worldwide that could command a full investigation into the inner workings of a network that has manipulated foriegn govt.s, repressed people's of the world, strip mined the environment, etc. in the name of greed."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/12/18879.html

Warren style commission to Investigate 9/11

"With the billions spent on the CIA, NSA, FAA, Air Guard, Air force and NORAD, on September 11, 2001 I found myself immediately questioning how four passenger airliners could have gone off course and not created a veritable storm of response"

"My hope is that the commission will get to the bottom of this issue and expose the conspirators. But it is my deepest fear that Senators Leiberman and Cain the sponsors of the commission legislation, are simply attempting to head off a hurricane of suspicion that is now swirling around this issue. If this is the case, they will not be heading off anything that could damage the government and the nation more than another Warren commission style cover up"

"It took twenty-four years for the data to be reviewed and then rejected by the International Symposium on Forensic Medicine when they met in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada in 1987. The International Symposium on Forensic Medicine unanimously voted that the "magic bullet and single gunman theory" proposed by the warren commission was an impossible set of circumstances and that there had to have been more then one gunman."

"With the advent of the speed of communication on the Internet, let us not just hope, let us demand that it does not take another twenty-four years to get to the bottom of Caesar’s madness."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/12/19190.html

Sept 11- Bush and Cheney were involved!

"COMPELLING EVIDENCE THATTHE SEPTEMBER 11 TERRORIST ATTACKS IN THE USA WERE ORGANIZED, AT LEAST IN PART ,BY USA AUTHORITIES, AS AN EXCUSE TO START AN ALREADY PLANNED WAR IN SOUTH ASIA, AND AS AN EXCUSE TO BEGIN THE BIGGEST ATTACK ON CIVIL LIBERTIES IN THE WEST SINCE THE FACIST ERA."

"THIS EVIDENCE COMES IN 4 PARTS. PART 1 DEALS WITH EVIDENCE THAT THE PLAN TO ATTACK AFGHANISTAN WAS ALREADY IN PLACE WELL BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11."

"PART 2 DEALS WITH A DETAILED LOOK AT THE EVENTS OF THE MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 11, DEMONSTRATING THAT USA AUTHORITIES AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL DELIBERATELY ALLOWED THE ATTACKS TO TAKE PLACE. PART 3 DETAILS A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BUSH FAMILY, THE BINLADEN FAMILY AND THE CIA. PART 4 DEALS WITH MISCELLANEOUS INCONSTISTANCIES IN THE OFFICIAL STORIES, AND MISCELLANEOUS SUSPICIOUS EVENTS."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/12/19316.html

January 2002 Articles

9.11 Questions Few are Asking

"We are cowards because we have chosen to follow the path of least resistance \x96 blindly accepting the blatant lies that Washington and the media have disseminated since the September 11 attacks. Following that course requires no independent thought and, more importantly, causes none of what psychologists like to call 'cognitive dissonance.'"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/01/19689.html

US TOLD TALIBAN BEFORE S.11 : "IT'S OIL OR BOMBS, GUYS".

"-- the U.S. government was trying to protect U.S. oil interests? And at the same time, shut off the investigation of terrorism to allow for that to happen?"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/01/19862.html

9-11: Nothing Urgent

"Meanwhile, in Florida, it is clear from the public record that by the time President Bush left his hotel he knew about the attack on the first WTC tower."

"Meanwhile, in Florida, it is clear from the public record that by the time President Bush left his hotel he knew about the attack on the first WTC tower. John Cochran, who was covering the President's trip to Sarasota told , told Peter Jennings on ABC TV:"

""He [the President] got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the president, 'Do you know what's going on in New York?' He said he did, and he said he will have something about it later." --'ABC News' Special Report 11 September 2001 (2)"

"And then he went to an elementary school in Sarasota to read to children for half an hour."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/01/20133.html

SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS - EVIDENCE OF U.S. COLLUSION

"The main points of the evidence presented in this article can be quickly summarised in this way."

"1) The US airforce was comprehensively "stood down" on the morning of September 11. Routine security measures, normally in place, which may well have been able to prevent the attacks, or reduce their impact, were suspended while the attacks were in progress, and re-instated once they were over."

"2) The actions of the President,while the attacks were occurring, indicate that he deliberately avoided taking any action which might have been reasonably expected of a President wanting to protect American citizens and property."

"3) Osama Bin Laden was unofficially convicted of the attackswithin a time frame that could not possibly have allowed any intelligence to have been gathered which supported the accustaion."

"4) There are reasonable grounds for suspicion that the US attack on Afghanistan was already planned before Sept 11."

"5) The USA and Bin Laden are not the enemies they pretend to be.There is a long history of co-operation,and evidence that this is still going on, behind the scenes."

"6) There are significant business ties between Bin Laden and senior members of the Bush administration."

"7) Revelations of profits made by insider trading relating to the Sept 11 attacks, point to the top levels of US buisiness and the CIA."

"8) There are a number of miscellaneous aspects regarding the official stories about Sept 11 which do not fit with known facts, which contradict each other which ask us to defy common sense, and which indicate a pattern of censorship and misinformation."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/01/20153.html

9/11: A Desperate Provocation By U.S. Capitalism

"The "War on Terrorism" is indeed a fraud, as Australian film and print journalist John Pilger has repeatedly pointed out. "Terrorism" is simply taking the place of "Communism" during the Cold War as the propaganda line spewed by the state and the corporate media to rally a confused and fearful population against "enemies" who supposedly threaten them. This most effective form of social control was recommended by Hitler's chief propagandist, Josef Goebbels. The purpose of the "War on Terrorism" is to maintain carte blanche for the ever more desperate agenda of American capital: the domination of the continent of Eurasia (the critical sector of which is Central Asia, precisely where the "War on Terrorism" just happens to have begun), and the crushing of the Left worldwide, especially its explicitly anti-capitalist core."

"In the face of this juggernaut the Left has shown a potentially fatal lack of intellectual rigor as well as nerve. The evidence that the attacks on September 11 were in all likelihood a black operation of the US intelligence services, a state "provocation" designed as a pretext to launch the global "War on Terrorism", is very substantial. It is also painful to consider, but the task must not be shirked. The purpose of this essay is to consider its relevance to the future of the only force which holds any hope of saving humanity and the planet from the megadeath capital is preparing, the anti-capitalist Left."

Feburary 2002 Articles

The Bombshell Bush asks Dascle to limit 9-11 investigations. WAKE UP CALL!!

"Amid Disturbing 9-11 Reports, BOTH Bush & Cheney tell Senate Don't go there: Bush Asks Daschle to Limit Sept. 11 Probes [Daschle is perplexed by notion of not looking into 9-11]"

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/21505.html

BACKGROUND AND SHOCKWAVES OF 9-11: An Orwellian Nightmare

"Much seems to indicate a US complicity in the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Facts are slowly accumulating, making it all look as a big setup. Even the most critical "left" has been silent on these issues, while criticism is usually adressed to "the efficiency of war as a remedy to terrorism". Meanwhile, civil liberties are under attack globally, and the US control of one of the world's "most strategically significant" regions, bordering to Russia and China, becomes more and more real. Long but important article."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/21631.html

CANADIAN TV AIRS EMPEROR'S CLOTHES EVIDENCE ON 9-11

"For the first time material from Emperor's Clothes series 'GUILTY FOR 9-11' has appeared on a network TV show."

"The program was "The Great Deception". (1) It aired Jan. 28 on the Insight Mediafile at Vision TV, a network with 2 million distinct viewers a week. Vision programs are seen across Canada and can reach from 100 to 150,000 people."

"Hosted by Barrie Zwicker, the program used research and material from 'GUILTY FOR 9-11, Section 1', the 'Update to Section 1, and 'Section 2' or 'Cheney's Cover Story.' (1a)"

"After watching the program, Emperor's Clothes Editor Chris Black contacted Barrie Zwicker to congratulate him for taking this brave step."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/21833.html

Canadian <nopVisionTV's "The Great Deception" continues to question events of 9-11

"The third segment in the "Great Deception" series of commentaries by <nopVisionTV\x92s Barry Zwicker dealt with Osama Bin Laden and his links to international intelligence organizations \x96 more specifically the CIA, Saudi intelligence and the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence)."

"Zwicker asks if Bin Laden is still employed by the CIA and if he is simply being used as a scapegoat."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/21874.html

9.11: The Great Deception Pt3

"Ahmed writes that bin Laden is merely a piece in a chess game. The stakes of the game are the last of the world\x92s oil reserves and \x93\x85the Bush administration\x92s \x93(consolidation of power) to pursue a drastic unlimited militarization of foreign policy on a massive and unprecedented scale required by long-standing elite planning, while crushing domestic dissent and criminalizing legitimate protest.\x94"

CIA role in 911 and other Incidents

"The material in this article is taken verbatim from the discussions and reference material provided by the attendees of a recent conference on intelligence that included high level United States government officials, intelligence executives, and intelligence officers from all branches, military and civilian, of the intelligence community of the United States of America. What emerges is disturbing. Some will find this information terrifying."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/22051.html

List Discussions

The plan here is to properly document all the 9/11 discussions on imc-uk-features and imc-uk-moderation, following is just a start of this.

Guy said in August 2006:

Chris it is my opinion that you are willfully abusing your position as an IMC moderator to push your own political agenda. That agenda being the promotion of your all important conspiracy theories; and moving IMC UK in a direction where it becomes a mouthpiece for them. This will NEVER happen while I am still breathing.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2007-August/0826-se.html

The month before he had said:

For what its worth I do not think that the author is being deliberately devious or trying to steer IMC UK towards his own political viewpoint. Having met him, he strikes me as being passionate about his beliefs and totally upfront about what he thinks. I also appreciate that he spends more time than most maintaining this site and also finds the time to post some excellent reports from his local area as well as national events. I don\x92t agree with any of his views on stuff like 9/11 or 7/7, but he is entitled to them.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2007-July/0710-gw.html

In regard to coverage of 9/11 protests on the site, in July 2007 Guy said:

It is also my opinion that if the \x91truthers\x92 take their \x91struggle\x92 beyond the realms of cyberspace and hold meetings, demos or direct actions; then what they are doing IS news and suitable for this site no matter how full of shit I happen to think they are.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2007-July/0710-gw.html

And later in September 2007 he said:

For what its worth I have no problem with this post that appeared on the wire today:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/380221.html

I might not agree with the deluded individuals who appear in it, but it is an original report about a real demonstration. A demonstration that I imagine would be given zero coverage in the corp media.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2007-September/0903-v6.html

In March 2008 Guy complained about two promotions:

Who promoted this and why?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393371.html

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-moderation/2008-March/0310-i3.html

And:

What the fuck is going on here???

Could someone please explain why the comments were hidden from this:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393439.html?c=all

Is it now IMC UK editorial policy to not only promote foreign 9/11 truth crap but also to censor any complainsts about it?

I also note that this post:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393558.html

Which is just a link to U-tube and and truther site has remained on the newswire all day.

Look forward to your reply which will no doubt come from the usual person

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-moderation/2008-March/0312-lk.html

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